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Otteration posted:Look it, or Biden, up then please. what do you mean? 
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Cloaked posted:I think/fear that Trump's rhetoric today about "I have every right and power to chase down corruption even if it involves people who are running for elections and even if it involves foreign nations" represents what they're going to land on. I think that will stick better with the populace than milquetoast democratic "Well, actually..." statements about legality and give the GOP enough cover to avoid a rout. My only hope is the many, many people who've said this is loving insane won't look at him doing it again and will suddenly go, "Oh, he's doing it MORE? Well that makes it fine."
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Oct 4, 2019 04:35
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What an unbelievably unnecessary amount of energy focused taking out Joe Biden, they could have just waited like 3 weeks
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Oct 4, 2019 04:38
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Trump is trying to make it like jaywalking — technically a crime, sure, but everyone does it all the time
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Oct 4, 2019 04:40
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Delthalaz posted:Trump is trying to make it like jaywalking — technically a crime, sure, but everyone does it all the time Jaywalking is necessary to stop other Jaywalkers!
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Oct 4, 2019 04:44
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This exchange on The News Hour today was nuts. Defending Trump is Michael Mukasey, who replaced Alberto Gonzalez as Bush's AG. He attempts to paint Trump's behavior as just standard operating procedure for presidents, but the interviewer actually calls him on it and he flinches hard. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-is-suggesting-foreign-leaders-investigate-the-bidens-is-that-illegal quote:Michael Mukasey: Papercut fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 04:46
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sometimes i click on twitter links to read the comments and decide nah, even bots aside we deserve this smh humanity
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Oct 4, 2019 04:47
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His defense is that he’s the president and he can do whatever he wants. It’s been his defense since the beginning and it will be his defense until the end. The republicans are going to successfully turn this into a partisan issue because we live in the hell-timeline and the democrats are terrible on messaging. I’m already seeing it with Trump people coming on CNN and talking about how there’s nothing wrong with what Trump did and what about Joe Biden...it’s gonna be hillary’s Emails all over again..
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Oct 4, 2019 04:49
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i know these came out late but were the networks airing them?
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Oct 4, 2019 04:52
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If they keep tying themselves to him his inevitable mental breakdown will drag them down. There is no way out of this for them and even with how stupid most of America is I think there will be enough people scared away by his increasing instability.
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Oct 4, 2019 04:54
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abelwingnut posted:i know these came out late but were the networks airing them? I think the Democrats may have done a smart thing and waited until after the talking head shows were done. That's probably too much credit for them
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Oct 4, 2019 04:55
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Mooseontheloose posted:With a 2/7 off suit. And board is AKQ...and is playing open handed and trying to tell the dealer the game is blackjack. In hearts you get a point for every heart that's in a hand you win, and 13 for the queen of spades. The goal of the game is to have the least amount of points. There is one strategy though called "shoot the moon": if you get all the hearts and the Queen of spades, you get to deduct points from your total and everyone else adds 30 to theirs. So by running the board on crimes, trump will force everyone else to play ball because otherwise the whole system falls apart.
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Oct 4, 2019 04:57
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Rime posted:The problem with leftist events is that they do not adequately screen the mentally ill out of the crowds and often happily provide them a platform under the banner of "inclusion". The problem with rightwing events is that these types blend right the gently caress in with everyone else in attendance and nobody there bats a loving eye anymore because their rhetoric is that far from reality anyways. god drat y'all, she is clearly mocking Greta Thunberg, she's wearing a loving T-shirt that says EAT THE BABIES  Ryan Saavedra is a turbo chud and if he's signal boosting anything it's going to be bullshit. C'MON SON
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Oct 4, 2019 05:02
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Grouchio posted:Is there a time limit for when Republicans can decide to run for president in 2020? Cause if it's already passed, Trump and Pence get impeached and removed, and Pelosi's interim president... The Republican Convention is still ages away, even if there was no time for primaries they would work out something there.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:02
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I skipped the trumpyears of what happened politically today, as hard as it was, to point out that the Godspeed You! Black Emperor thread title has hit me harder this week than any news any could. These threads have been so much more informative than what the Internet now provides. This shitshow, and GY!BE hits too close to home. Too close to the end. I am ever optimistic, but so very pissed that something will go wrong soon. I listened to that doom on the school bus as soon as I could pull MP3s from Napster in order to make sense of what seemed back then a "crazy" timeline. In 1999 without political context. This guy is a real gently caress and I will retain my hope that this timeline is not beyond all reproach. Jeez Louise. All I have is strong faith in my goons in the USPOL thread. Thank you all. <3 stay strong friends!  PS BBFIII is a far better Godspeed song 
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Oct 4, 2019 05:03
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Drunk Theory posted:That 5 loving hours between texts. It's so obvious they went and asked Trump what they should do. I get that it’s suspicious and obviously you can do presidential crimes at any hour, but the time stamps were 12:45am -> 5:20am. Yeah the NYT article says the response came after speaking to Trump, but I can’t find anything attributing that to a text elsewhere or Volker’s testimony. I’d hope the NYT has some way to back that up. Edit: I screwed up the times Dinosaurs! fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 05:09
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Flesh Forge posted:god drat y'all, she is clearly mocking Greta Thunberg, she's wearing a loving T-shirt that says EAT THE BABIES Whether the audience member was bullshitting or not, I liked Representative Ocasio-Cortez's response. hellotoothpaste posted:I skipped the trumpyears of what happened politically today, as hard as it was, to point out that the Godspeed You! Black Emperor thread title has hit me harder this week than any news any could. These threads have been so much more informative than what the Internet now provides. And to you as well, hellotoothpaste!
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Oct 4, 2019 05:12
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Rabble posted:His defense is that he’s the president and he can do whatever he wants. It’s been his defense since the beginning and it will be his defense until the end. Yeah this really seems to be it. Asking foreign countries to involve themselves in US domestic politics is just what the president does now. And if only like 20% of republicans oppose it... uh, I guess it’s going to be a brutal slog until November 2020 if every intelligence agency in the world is digging up poo poo against Biden, Warren, Bernie, whoever. How can you fight back against that?
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Oct 4, 2019 05:16
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Dinosaurs! posted:I get that it’s suspicious and obviously you can do presidential crimes at any hour, but the time stamps were 12:45am -> 1:20am. Yeah the NYT article says the response came after speaking to Trump, but I can’t find anything attributing that to a text elsewhere or Volker’s testimony. I’d hope the NYT has some way to back that up. This is really what gets me with this Presidency. Like, everyone ever reporting/investigating Trump and his crimes needs to be exact and have all their eyes dotted and t's crossed. Yet, Trump doesn't maintain that same responsibility. I mean it is obvious as gently caress that he did what he did. He's admitted to as loving much. Yet, hoping that NYT or an investigator is super thorough with their poo poo is a concern for people. I mean you have multiple witnesses/whistleblowers corroborating what went down and the accused is a known liar and charlatan, but the focus needs to be on the thoroughness of the people reporting on this poo poo.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:21
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Delthalaz posted:Yeah this really seems to be it. Asking foreign countries to involve themselves in US domestic politics is just what the president does now. And if only like 20% of republicans oppose it... uh, I guess it’s going to be a brutal slog until November 2020 if every intelligence agency in the world is digging up poo poo against Biden, Warren, Bernie, whoever. How can you fight back against that? Offer them better stuff? I mean if this is where we are at and Trump says its not a crime, then it should apply to all. Instead of simply targetting Trump, target his congressional allies and do it openly, preferably near the election.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:26
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pkay posted:Offer them better stuff? I mean if this is where we are at and Trump says its not a crime, then it should apply to all. Instead of simply targetting Trump, target his congressional allies and do it openly, preferably near the election. Except Trump isn't asking for actual dirt or investigations he's asking foreign powers to fabricate poo poo on his opponents.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:31
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It should tell you something when he gets the head of the Department of Justice to travel around the world convincing other countries to perform a "criminal investigation" on an American citizen, instead of just, y'know, actually investigating said American citizen with the massive legal authority of the Department of Justice. e: pkay posted:Offer them better stuff? I mean if this is where we are at and Trump says its not a crime, then it should apply to all. Instead of simply targetting Trump, target his congressional allies and do it openly, preferably near the election. yeah this is going to become standard unless trump metaphorically gets his strictly metaphorical dick metaphorically cut off with something rusty and dull.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:34
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pkay posted:This is really what gets me with this Presidency. Like, everyone ever reporting/investigating Trump and his crimes needs to be exact and have all their eyes dotted and t's crossed. Yet, Trump doesn't maintain that same responsibility. I mean it is obvious as gently caress that he did what he did. He's admitted to as loving much. Yet, hoping that NYT or an investigator is super thorough with their poo poo is a concern for people. I mean you have multiple witnesses/whistleblowers corroborating what went down and the accused is a known liar and charlatan, but the focus needs to be on the thoroughness of the people reporting on this poo poo. Chill dude. I think it’s pretty clear, besides Trump directly saying it himself, that he did it. I was just curious where the reporting about consulting Trump in the middle of the night came from. I don’t think a little scrutiny here is unwarranted when “he was asleep!” (For this one instance among many, sure) isn’t an implausible explanation for the gap.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:35
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Evilweasel broke it down pretty well upthread: There was literally an intercept article saying the same thing and I’m p sure they’re not in the tank for Biden.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:40
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Rabble posted:His defense is that he’s the president and he can do whatever he wants. It’s been his defense since the beginning and it will be his defense until the end. It might keep Trump in office, but having a plurality think the president should be impeached is not how you win an election.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:42
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maybe this is the timeline where the sportz men kneel during the supa patriot song. (it isnt)
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Oct 4, 2019 05:46
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https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1179857984920403968 https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1179944485758918656 https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1179945346400694273
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Oct 4, 2019 05:46
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theflyingorc posted:It might keep Trump in office, but having a plurality think the president should be impeached is not how you win an election. What if he gets a foreign country to rig the vote in the election? What do you do then?
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Oct 4, 2019 05:47
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pkay posted:What if he gets a foreign country to rig the vote in the election? What do you do then? This isn't as easy as it sounds.
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Oct 4, 2019 05:49
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theflyingorc posted:Good luck changing paper ballots on non-networked machines in Ohio or wherever, I guess? Stuffing a ballot box and obstructing any attempt at an audit is a time-tested method that has proven to work .They just were caught rigging the election in GA and nothing was done about it. The person serving the longest sentence in regards to election interference in 2016 is the person who basically told the public that voting software manufacturers were hacked and they were sending phishing e-mails from their accounts to local election officials.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:00
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pkay posted:Stuffing a ballot box and obstructing any attempt at an audit is a time-tested method that has proven to work .They just were caught rigging the election in GA and nothing was done about it. The person serving the longest sentence in regards to election interference in 2016 is the person who basically told the public that voting software manufacturers were hacked and they were sending phishing e-mails from their accounts to local election officials. They weren't caught, though there is reason to be suspicious. Nobody has raised serious concerns on a statewide level EXCEPT for Georgia. We should absolutely get rid of purely electronic voting, but there has been little-to-no evidence of anything even approaching feasibility on the presidential election level.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:05
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At least this bought peace for Ukraine, if somewhat underhanded and sketchy-- https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1179975204564557827 Welp.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:05
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theflyingorc posted:They weren't caught, though there is reason to be suspicious. "Suspicious" "Concerns" . Get real my dude, they are literally falling in line behind a guy that has admitted to multiple felonies on national television multiple times. But, rigging voting machines in select precincts in select states is beyond the pale and isn't feasible when you consider state actors? Whatever im going to sleep.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:17
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pkay posted:"Suspicious" "Concerns" . It's not about Trump's desire to do so, it's about what it would take to pull it off most places
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Oct 4, 2019 06:20
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I understand the need to be concerned and vigilant, and I would certainly agree, but I doubt many countries are going to bend over backwards and use all their resources to keep Trump in office. He's already easy to manipulate, and I'm sure many countries have no desire to get the Democrats on their bad side, even if Trump were to win in 2020. It's too risky. Even the full effort of the Russian intelligence community couldn't get Trump the popular vote in an election with considerable absence from the opposing party, where he was an unknown entity. He has none of those advantages now, except maybe Russia, but who even knows with them. Countries will, at most, wait it out to see if he's reelected, and maybe throw him an inconsequential bone that doesn't upset things. They're not going to send spies into polling stations.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:28
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That’s what makes the entreaties to the Chinese so dumb to me. Why would they help him as opposed to hastening his departure so the next president can just drop the tariffs.
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Oct 4, 2019 06:32
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179949923833384960 lol they shook as gently caress also levin's eyes are being eaten by his own skull
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Oct 4, 2019 06:39
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179949923833384960 Wait a sec, is this a full show on fox news? Boy howdy Edit: I was so distracted didn't even realize it was a big boy tweet 
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Oct 4, 2019 06:45
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OddObserver posted:Yeah, that's seriously clown government territory --- president's personal attorney(??) editing foreign policy documents? I mean, in all those correspondence packages, you have state dept officials and diplomats all treading on eggshells and making sure they clear things with Giuliani before taking action. So the president's buddy / personal pro-bono attorney is also a key gatekeeper of foreign policy.
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Yiggy posted:That’s what makes the entreaties to the Chinese so dumb to me. Why would they help him as opposed to hastening his departure so the next president can just drop the tariffs. It cannot be overstated how weirdly and badly Trump's brain assesses risk and outcomes. Like, he is playing 4 dimensional chess but the board is made out of vaporized cow poo poo and the pieces are tiny flying gnomes playing kazoos
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