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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

That actually seems legal, just gross.

The quiet on Hong Kong was the quid for the pro of them investigating Biden if you look at the whole conversation.

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I don't think he's going to like the answer of this question:

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/s...ingawful.com%2F

Why are these fuckups still pretending that republicans aren’t what they openly say they are

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

Fallom posted:

Why are these fuckups still pretending that republicans aren’t what they openly say they are

Because that’s life. You’re fighting an unstoppable force with an immovable object, except the immovable object is made of cardboard and just wants you to think it’s strong.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

Congratulations, as much as I try to ignore the news for my health's sake, that's got me loving furious.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Fallom posted:

Why are these fuckups still pretending that republicans aren’t what they openly say they are

Republicans are very good at off-the-record whining to journalists about how much Trump sucks and he has their voters captive. Trying to cut through that is cutting concrete with a butter knife.

"Schiff says that all Republicans are complicit, but off the record, Republican leaders familiar with the situation are Very Concerned."

Crakkerjakk
Mar 14, 2016


Fallom posted:

Why are these fuckups still pretending that republicans aren’t what they openly say they are

Because they got to where they are within the system so it's very difficult to convince them that there's anything fundamentally flawed with it.

What's the Upton Sinclair quote? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Hexyflexy posted:

Congratulations, as much as I try to ignore the news for my health's sake, that's got me loving furious.

same here

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

facialimpediment posted:


"Schiff says that all Republicans are complicit, but off the record, Republican leaders familiar with the situation are Very Concerned."

I thought John McCain was dead? :confused:

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

BigDave posted:

I thought John McCain was dead? :confused:

And he finds it very concerning.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

This just makes me sick of myself.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
The China poo poo also poses a real interesting question with the call logs: should the Democrats fight in court for them?

Right now, there's plenty of evidence in the clear for articles of impeachment. You don't need the call transcripts, or any of that poo poo, Donnie's admitted to it all in public. You can do the impeachment articles and the trial quick.

But, if you want the call transcripts and all the other poo poo, you're going to have to fight in court. Trump is going to stall (lol you get nothing, it's not a real impeachment inquiry until you vote, lol your subpoena wasn't printed on glossy white paper so it's invalid get hosed) and you won't get anything for months. But you really, really want to know what's in those transcripts.

So, do you get the articles out quick and gently caress the transcripts? Or, do you drag out impeachment to get the transcripts, getting bogged down in the courts? I don't really know.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

facialimpediment posted:

The China poo poo also poses a real interesting question with the call logs: should the Democrats fight in court for them?

Right now, there's plenty of evidence in the clear for articles of impeachment. You don't need the call transcripts, or any of that poo poo, Donnie's admitted to it all in public. You can do the impeachment articles and the trial quick.

But, if you want the call transcripts and all the other poo poo, you're going to have to fight in court. Trump is going to stall (lol you get nothing, it's not a real impeachment inquiry until you vote, lol your subpoena wasn't printed on glossy white paper so it's invalid get hosed) and you won't get anything for months. But you really, really want to know what's in those transcripts.

So, do you get the articles out quick and gently caress the transcripts? Or, do you drag out impeachment to get the transcripts, getting bogged down in the courts? I don't really know.

honestly at this point taking more time = more crimes to charge him with as he's flailing wildly at his crime machine to figure out which crime is going to make this all go away


:honk:

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

By the time they get around to actually voting on impeachment, it’ll be so normal to hit up foreign leaders for bribes since he’s doing it on tv/Twitter every day that people will forget what he’s being impeached for and vote no.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

This just makes me sick of myself.

This was a stunt by Lyndon Larouche’s group. They’re notorious for doing poo poo like this, and they claimed this one as well. AOC handled this as best as she could.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Wasabi the J posted:

Excuse me some of us were in marching band.

I was in AV club, we just filmed. Different species of nerd.

bengy81
May 8, 2010

Stultus Maximus posted:

This just makes me sick of myself.

I appreciate this.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


facialimpediment posted:

The China poo poo also poses a real interesting question with the call logs: should the Democrats fight in court for them?

Right now, there's plenty of evidence in the clear for articles of impeachment. You don't need the call transcripts, or any of that poo poo, Donnie's admitted to it all in public. You can do the impeachment articles and the trial quick.

But, if you want the call transcripts and all the other poo poo, you're going to have to fight in court. Trump is going to stall (lol you get nothing, it's not a real impeachment inquiry until you vote, lol your subpoena wasn't printed on glossy white paper so it's invalid get hosed) and you won't get anything for months. But you really, really want to know what's in those transcripts.

So, do you get the articles out quick and gently caress the transcripts? Or, do you drag out impeachment to get the transcripts, getting bogged down in the courts? I don't really know.

Tough call but I think the drag out, get more documents approach lets you run the tables on putting more people in jail (inshallah) after impeachment is over.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

That Works posted:

Tough call but I think the drag out, get more documents approach lets you run the tables on putting more people in jail (inshallah) after impeachment is over.

Just bear in mind there've been a shitload of people in the administration who've been prosecuted. Which is.. nuts. This is 5 aides. That is not loving normal.

I can barely remember wtf George Papadopoulos was.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Hexyflexy posted:

Just bear in mind there've been a shitload of people in the administration who've been prosecuted. Which is.. nuts. This is 5 aides. That is not loving normal.

I can barely remember wtf George Papadopoulos was.

I think that if we reverse the current course we are on as a nation then we will have the fun sideshow of putting members of this administration in prison for the next decade. If we don't then we get the horrorshow of members of this administration winning more public offices over the next decade.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Stultus Maximus posted:

This just makes me sick of myself.

No poo poo.

We need to be eating the olds, not the babies.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
....you guys did read past the first tweet and see it was a LaRouche crazy person trying to discredit AOC right?

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

We are getting to the point where I’m going to need to take a break from politics again. So in light of how bummed politics makes me, I have a serious question that will maybe help me get a perspective I don’t have, which is sorely needed:


Why should I honestly believe anything will be done about Donald Trump? What is going on that will make me believe he won’t continue doing whatever the gently caress he wants without recourse until the election? I believe Democrats were stalling on impeachment because they were waiting for the election to solve the problem, and that’s all the effort they actually want to give.

I’m not trying to be snarky or cynical (though I am cynical). These are legitimate questions that I need to ask, and I’m sure someone else needs to hear it as well. I personally don’t think there’s much hope, which is a lovely loving feeling that I would like to shake.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
Blame the loving media who don't push back when trump or republicans lie straight to their face, how they ignore the human costs of the lies and governance, how they candy coat what trump says to make him seem "normal".

Seriously, I think the media is more to blame for this situation than anything else.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

colachute posted:

We are getting to the point where I’m going to need to take a break from politics again. So in light of how bummed politics makes me, I have a serious question that will maybe help me get a perspective I don’t have, which is sorely needed:


Why should I honestly believe anything will be done about Donald Trump? What is going on that will make me believe he won’t continue doing whatever the gently caress he wants without recourse until the election? I believe Democrats were stalling on impeachment because they were waiting for the election to solve the problem, and that’s all the effort they actually want to give.

I’m not trying to be snarky or cynical (though I am cynical). These are legitimate questions that I need to ask, and I’m sure someone else needs to hear it as well. I personally don’t think there’s much hope, which is a lovely loving feeling that I would like to shake.

You shouldn't, he will, and they are. Welcome to the crack/ping crew, don't lose your magic shades and remember to vote for daddy Bernie bitch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTK8eff1Zsk

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

So it looks like Elizabeth Warren’s Marine/human sex toy was lying about his military service as well:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-bogus-warren-accuser-exaggerated-his-military-service-record

Jacob Wohl is starting to make James O’Keefe look subtle and measured by comparison here.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Hot Karl Marx posted:

....you guys did read past the first tweet and see it was a LaRouche crazy person trying to discredit AOC right?

I guess I lost my mind. Oh well, everything changes. Nothing lasts.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Blame the loving media who don't push back when trump or republicans lie straight to their face, how they ignore the human costs of the lies and governance, how they candy coat what trump says to make him seem "normal".

Seriously, I think the media is more to blame for this situation than anything else.

if we didnt have a free and open press imagine how much of this poo poo would've gone by forever unnoticed

if anything this whole trump presidency has made my faith in journalists that much stronger and is the only reason we're as well off as we are

its not their fault the dems cant make it stick imo

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


pantslesswithwolves posted:

So it looks like Elizabeth Warren’s Marine/human sex toy was lying about his military service as well:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-bogus-warren-accuser-exaggerated-his-military-service-record

Jacob Wohl is starting to make James O’Keefe look subtle and measured by comparison here.

how could he bring this shame on the one-three :(

but they weren't the only victims!

quote:

There are other reasons to question Whelly’s story. Garren James, the owner of male escort site Cowboys4Angels, told Rolling Stone on Thursday that Whelly had never even applied to work at the company. 

“Everything that he’s saying doesn’t even make sense,” James later told The Daily Beast.

James added that Whelly’s claim to have messaged Warren on the site was ridiculous, because escorts and clients can’t communicate through Cowboys4Angels.

“He’s really not the type of guy that we would hire, even if he applied,” James said. “For him to use our agency to try to get clout is just absolutely ridiculous.” 

you keep my escort agency's name out of your mouth!

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

Doc Hawkins posted:

how could he bring this shame on the one-three :(

but they weren't the only victims!


you keep my escort agency's name out of your mouth!

The guy who ran the escort agency: "YOU SHUT YOUR NOT-WHORE MOUTH!"

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

if we didnt have a free and open press imagine how much of this poo poo would've gone by forever unnoticed

if anything this whole trump presidency has made my faith in journalists that much stronger and is the only reason we're as well off as we are

its not their fault the dems cant make it stick imo

I'm not arguing that free press is the issue, the issue is that the media profits from all this chaos rather than then trying to do the right thing, which would be to honestly cover stuff instead of bringing in rich as gently caress pundits to "analyse" politics etc when it's clearly just capitalist propaganda meant to further their own goals of making more money

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I'm not arguing that free press is the issue, the issue is that the media profits from all this chaos rather than then trying to do the right thing, which would be to honestly cover stuff instead of bringing in rich as gently caress pundits to "analyse" politics etc when it's clearly just capitalist propaganda meant to further their own goals of making more money

ok yeah i gotcha, especially with the nyt saving the "shoot em in the legs" piece for their book

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

if we didnt have a free and open press imagine how much of this poo poo would've gone by forever unnoticed

We don't have a free press. We have a press who's sole motive is profit, and they're going to keep selling whatever narrative makes them the most money.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Blame the loving media who don't push back when trump or republicans lie straight to their face, how they ignore the human costs of the lies and governance, how they candy coat what trump says to make him seem "normal".

Seriously, I think the media is more to blame for this situation than anything else.

The media built the monster and now whines incessantly that it doesn't play well with them. gently caress em.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

colachute posted:

Why should I honestly believe anything will be done about Donald Trump? What is going on that will make me believe he won’t continue doing whatever the gently caress he wants without recourse until the election? I believe Democrats were stalling on impeachment because they were waiting for the election to solve the problem, and that’s all the effort they actually want to give.

1) A lot has been done already! House control flipped pretty decisively in 2018 (unfortunately, showing how feeble House powers actually are). Also, he can't even successfully blackmail a state like Ukraine into silently doing what he wants without loving it up. He's one of the weakest presidents of the modern era. He's just a completely amoral fuckhead, so every rare, tiny success he gets benefits his fellow amoral fuckheads.

2) He will absolutely continue what he's been doing until the election. That's what he's done his whole life, consequence-free. Even now, since he finally got some pushback, he has decided to lean into this poo poo. Theoretically, that's why presidents have to run for election every four years and why parties ebb and flow. When "the people" believe poo poo's gone too far, they toss people out. Democrats are being "lazy" because swing Democrats still don't know if their Trumpy districts are at that "too far" stage. But Democrats are weird, they believe in representing their people.

Which basically goes along with:

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Blame the loving media who don't push back when trump or republicans lie straight to their face, how they ignore the human costs of the lies and governance, how they candy coat what trump says to make him seem "normal".

Seriously, I think the media is more to blame for this situation than anything else.

3) I fully disagree. We, the voters, are the problem. We're too gullible to Russian troll farms, sensationalist media, brazenly lying politicians, and xenophobia. We're loving dumb as hell and we're the bad guys. Here's a good chain on how corrupt we are as a country, leaving out all the brown people we like to bomb:

https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1179766267965624320?s=19

Sounds lovely and hopeless right? Well, that's what elections are for. When parties stray too far into wackadoodleland, it's the job of The People to vote the fucks out and keep them out. That's why The People are the root cause of everything good and everything bad. Sure, the media can tell The People what to think, but we have the ability to tell them to go to hell too. The People decide. Probably why Democrats have harped so much on the "... A republic, if you can keep it" line. It's accurate.

(By the way, y'all should mute me on a political break, because holy gently caress)

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
And now, for something completely different!

https://twitter.com/SharonFGrigsby/status/1180165206560985090?s=19

Animecreepo lost in court. All counts gone, he went 0-17. The big question will be on how much the Animecreepo has to pay the defense lawyers on an Anti-SLAPP verdict.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1180107147906027525

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

facialimpediment posted:

And now, for something completely different!

https://twitter.com/SharonFGrigsby/status/1180165206560985090?s=19

Animecreepo lost in court. All counts gone, he went 0-17. The big question will be on how much the Animecreepo has to pay the defense lawyers on an Anti-SLAPP verdict.

oh poo poo they hit broly with the kamehameha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOaA8IyIXI

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


pantslesswithwolves posted:

So it looks like Elizabeth Warren’s Marine/human sex toy was lying about his military service as well:


https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-wohls-bogus-warren-accuser-exaggerated-his-military-service-record

Jacob Wohl is starting to make James O’Keefe look subtle and measured by comparison here.

quote:

In the press conference, Whelly said he had served in Afghanistan in 2012 and claimed he was injured in combat but never received a Purple Heart because he didn’t fill out the paperwork.

:thunk:

Crakkerjakk
Mar 14, 2016


Fister Roboto posted:

We don't have a free press. We have a press who's sole motive is profit, and they're going to keep selling whatever narrative makes them the most money.

Ding ding ding. Winner winner chicken dinner.

And Trump is STILL great for the media's ratings. The executives fuckin' love him.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Everyone involved in moron-contra is a moron, so obviously even the morons on the edges are dealing with morons, plus not realizing that the other morons are lying to them. One of the morons is the President, another is a dumb gently caress senator, and they just narced on the sycophant ambassador to the EU, who also happens to be a moron.

https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1180174953532002304?s=19

They revealed all this to the WSJ, thinking it made them look better.

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