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MoaM posted:The 12th greatest film of all time according to the infallible polling of Internet Movie Database dot com can't simply be "fine". It's got some messy writing but the Joker mainly kills rich fucks who deserve it and Phoenix is good so it's fine.
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Codependent Poster posted:I still say they missed a golden opportunity to later in the film have the bad guy be able to be easily beaten if only they had a guy who could climb anything and make super knots. They had a guy who's main power is that he throw stuff really good and then he never does. Even when they have to throw something at the main villain to defeat him someone else does it.
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Karloff posted:Part of the problem with the premise is that the requirement for SS to fit into a shared universe undercuts it. If it was just a black ops team full of criminals that Waller creates because no one will miss them if they get got, then that would be fine. I think the idea was Enchantress was the response to deal with a Superman threat. As magic kills Superman. (Which hasn't been a thing in the DCEU but whatever.) Then the rest of the Squad is there to kill the Enchantress if she gets out of line. And presumably they have super intelligent gorillas for if the Squad gets out of hand. Then we go full Simpsons meme.
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Oct 4, 2019 11:43
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Vince MechMahon posted:In the comics their entire existence isn't justified by someone saying "What if we have to kill Superman?" though. I dunno, in the Ostrander run one of their first gigs is to take down Firestorm and he is hilariously out of their league.
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Alhazred posted:They had a guy who's main power is that he throw stuff really good and then he never does. Even when they have to throw something at the main villain to defeat him someone else does it. half the characters in SS were completely or almost completely superfluous. Not just Boomerang, but what exactly did Killer Croc or Katana add to the film? Even Joker has no reason to be there, outside of the ending and Harley's backstory flashbacks. Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 15:36
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Barry Convex posted:half the characters in SS were completely or almost completely superfluous. Not just Boomerang, but what exactly did Killer Croc or Katana add to the film? Even Joker has no reason to be there, outside of the ending and Harley's backstory flashbacks. Why was there an entire squad of soldiers there if the whole point was that the suicide squad could take on Superman? Why was there anyone there but the fireguy considering he could incinerate everyone? Why did Waller allow anyone to negotiate their sentences even if she could blow their heads off? Its a dumb and bad movie, that's why. Alhazred fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 16:11
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Joker has been spoiled for me and I don't feel like I'm missing poo poo.
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You're missing a hell of a performance. It's an extremely feel-bad movie to an extent that the trailers don't reach. My complaints are just a couple of very obvious scenes. When it's revealed that his relationship with Zazie Beetz was a delusion, they do some Fight Club/Tyler Durdan flashbacks to show she wasn't really there in previous scenes, which is unnecessary and shows the movie doesn't quite trust it's audience to get it in the moment. And Bruce Wayne's parents being killed in the classic crime alley scene just needed to be hinted at rather than play out like we've seen a billion times. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 16:14
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Teenage Fansub posted:You're missing a hell of a performance. It's an extremely feel-bad movie to an extent that the trailers don't reach. Counterpoint: Todd Phillips is a lovely director and Phoenix isn't enough to offset my lack of desire to see this.
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Not trying to change your mind about going, but it's very well directed.
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Yeah. Todd Phillips is a fine director. He's a lovely PERSON.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Yeah. Todd Phillips is a fine director. He's a lovely PERSON. The Hangover sucks.
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I've seen a lot more of his filmography than I expected, largely because in college I'd just tag along to movies without asking a lot of questions. I'd say Borat is probably pretty good at doing what it was trying to do even if I profoundly disliked it, and A Star is Born is actually pretty competently put together even if it doesn't rise much higher than "competent." Phillips didn't actually direct either of those-- the stuff that he did direct is, as far as I'm familiar with it, really rote dumb schlock. I guess if one is a fan of that kind of comedy there are probably hierarchies within it, good directors, bad directors, but I don't know, I never saw the appeal. It just always feels like a lot of leering, like the camera invites me to be a not very good person.
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Rhyno posted:Counterpoint: Todd Phillips is a lovely director and Phoenix isn't enough to offset my lack of desire to see this. My friends and who are already comic nerds and will dutifully traipse out to see most any comic flick have responded to the notion of going with aggressive disinterest. I'm so proud of them.
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Rhyno posted:The Hangover sucks. The first one is fine. It's aged poorly though.
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I seem to remember them getting progressively uglier and more mean spirited with each entry, with the third one almost exiting the realm of comedy and entering the realm of cinema of alienation
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Rhyno posted:The Hangover sucks. And yet, Chernobyl.
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different guy
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The Hangover and other bad comedies guy who inexplicably made Chernobyl that you're thinking of is Craig Mazin.
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site posted:different guy Aphrodite posted:The Hangover and other bad comedies guy who inexplicably made Chernobyl that you're thinking of is Craig Mazin. I'm not saying Todd was involved, I'm saying 2019 is the year of Hangover redemption! 
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Craig Mazin only wrote the sequels everyone hates.
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This is silly. edit: May be fake. edit: Is fake. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 4, 2019 |
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Oct 4, 2019 23:06
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Excuse me sir but we cannot admit any lone gunmen into this theatre. What if I point my gun at you first? Please, right this way sir.
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I know it's fake, but I guess people forgot that Columbine was done with a duo of shooters.
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i watched it. It definitely does not glorify the violence etc as media was thinking. i enjoyed it though there was some stuff i didnt like.
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It was big fat meh for me. Phoenix is great, but there's no tension until the end, they link anti wealth inequality with the loving joker and we're saddled with another batman origin scene. If you're okay with seeing a movie on the big screen solely for the acting, go see it. But there's nothing that that would be lost by waiting until it's streaming.
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Shindragon posted:i watched it. It definitely does not glorify the violence etc as media was thinking. i enjoyed it though there was some stuff i didnt like.
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I love how 20+ posts in this thread about valid concerns are easily overlooked when someone wants to continue bringing up "pearl clutching" as if everyone is suddenly Tipper Gore trying to censor true art. Yeah, obviously the media has been hyperbolic but some of us speculate because we don't want to pay money to go see a movie where they make a folk hero out of the Joker.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I love how 20+ posts in this thread about valid concerns are easily overlooked when someone wants to continue bringing up "pearl clutching" as if everyone is suddenly Tipper Gore trying to censor true art. Yeah, obviously the media has been hyperbolic but some of us speculate because we don't want to pay money to go see a movie where they make a folk hero out of the Joker. No one has called you out for that tho, but some media and critics went real hard on "but the incel children" during the press loop. Not All Joker Criticism, if that isn't implied. I'm probably gonna catch this one on home video because now that the pre-release buzz has died down, what I'm getting from critics and people that saw the movie is "it's fine. Phoenix is a good actor. Todd Philipps kinda rips off Scorsese. It's fine." Dias fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Sgt. Politeness posted:I love how 20+ posts in this thread about valid concerns are easily overlooked when someone wants to continue bringing up "pearl clutching" as if everyone is suddenly Tipper Gore trying to censor true art. Yeah, obviously the media has been hyperbolic but some of us speculate because we don't want to pay money to go see a movie where they make a folk hero out of the Joker. If it may seem i was calling you out on that sorry I didn’t mean to.
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The concerns are dumb, but what's turned me off from wanting to see the movie is Phoenix's bewildered response that it might incite something, and Phillips' weird "SJWs ruined comedy" response.
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Dias posted:No one has called you out for that tho, but some media and critics went real hard on "but the incel children" during the press loop. Not All Joker Criticism, if that isn't implied. Shindragon posted:If it may seem i was calling you out on that sorry I didn’t mean to. No, that's on me. I didn't mean to come off all super sensitive. We just had a relatively inflammatory conversation about the "responsibility" of art in this thread and then the next day the US military issued a warning to vets that they should get strapped for their midnight showings because good guys with guns or whatever. Sgt. Politeness fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Retro Futurist posted:The concerns are dumb, but what's turned me off from wanting to see the movie is Phoenix's bewildered response that it might incite something, and Phillips' weird "SJWs ruined comedy" response.
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Yeah, but also, how hard is it(and why isn't it his first instinct) to say "oh no, we don't set out to justify or glorify violence in this film"? Like hundreds of filmmakers before them have.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Yeah, but also, how hard is it(and why isn't it his first instinct) to say "oh no, we don't set out to justify or glorify violence in this film"? Like hundreds of filmmakers before them have.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:some of us speculate because we don't want to pay money to go see a movie where they make a folk hero out of the Joker. That's kinda where I'm at. I said before that the movie would interest me if it wasn't about the Joker, because that carried a lot of baggage for me that made it much less interesting to me. "How the Joker becomes the Joker" is something I just don't care about. How it appears to play out doesn't interest me. Then the weird backlash and Todd Phillips' saying dumb poo poo just kinda put the final nail in the coffin and I just couldn't give any poo poo about this movie. Let's just all watch The Last Circus again.
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God the Martin Scorsese MCU discourse is so bad. Twitter has just become a massive version of CD 
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The what
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site posted:The what Excuse him, he meant the guy who voiced the Pufferfish in Shark Tale MCU discourse
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I can't get up the interst to think I'll ever watch Joker, mostly because I don't really want to see movies right now that are depressing, downers and otherwise meant to make me feel bad. The worlds horrible enough as it is without entertainment bringing me down too.
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