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Angry_Ed posted:I thought the whole point of the episode was "The Simpsons exist in a world that is not the real world and if a person from the Real World ended up there they'd go mad", which is what Josh Weinstein said was the idea, and the original concept was created by a different person on the staff (Bill Oakley) yeah, that's what i heard too. but that would only address half the issue. a person from the real world would no doubt be horrified at homer's position and antics. but would they come up with a scheme to get him fired?
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Chilichimp posted:lol, saying the quiet part loud, but it's Geraldo this time. A lot of conservatives genuinely believed Nixon got hosed over and received a raw deal. Even back in the 90's when Clinton was president and Limbaugh's shtick began to permeate the general discourse, the old cranky fucks were saying they should dig Nixon up and apologize because Clinton was way worse of a criminal. I honestly think lot of them turn the other cheek with Trump since Clinton was quite likely a rapist so now they have their own rape guy. They LIKE stupid, mean assholes. They LOVE them. Trump, Rush, Hannity, Cheney, Cruz, Bolton, Ollie North, Mike Savage, Steve King, Ann Coulter, Gulliani ... They're mean angry assholes themselves and love meaner angrier assholes. Apparently, the dumber the better since I defy anyone to read a Trump rally speech transcript and tell me what the gently caress he's talking about. They also think GWB and his dad were liberals who didn't conservative hard enough. What I still can't get is how modern conservatism and the GOP platform represent the Bible and the teachings of Christ. Abortion I get but everything else...how? They don't even seem to give a gently caress about gay people anymore now that I think about it. I also don't get how they can worship Reagan like a God since if he ran today he'd be run out on a rail. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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BiggerBoat posted:They don't even seem to give a gently caress about gay people anymore now that I think about it. Oh, they definitely still give a gently caress about gay people, they're just extremely quiet about it. Most GOP politicians and pundits would gleefully press a button to make sodomy illegal again, they just don't want to be known as the person who actually pressed that button. So, they just funnel a bunch of money into anti-gay Evangelical groups that don't care about being openly hateful, so that when those groups manage to convince the Supreme Court that gay couples don't deserve any of the benefits of marriage, they can just shrug their shoulders and say "Hey, it wasn't me!" Like, look at all of the awful poo poo that they've said about the transgender community in recent months. That's still exactly how they still feel about gay people, they're just now aware that being openly anti-gay will lose you support, while being anti-trans will (sadly) get a lot of people on your side still. It's like full-blown theocratic creationists that still supported intelligent design in the 00's; they're True Believers to the core, they're just picking battles that they can conceivably win. (This isn't to say that openly anti-gay politicians and pundits don't exist in the GOP, of course, I'm just talking about the overall trend in recent years.)
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:... So, wait, is this one of those people that think that since they're the national socialist party, the Nazis were communists? Because if not, uhhhh you're kinda saying the quiet part loud there buddy I think what they’re going for is “the KPD called all their rivals fascists when really only some of them were fascists, and that’s why they lost”
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MrUnderbridge posted:So Trump just admitted on live tv that he pressured Ulraine to investigate the Bidens, and added that China should too. He's doing the thing he always does which is pretending that he's done nothing wrong by pretending to be forthcoming. If he can successfully normalize his abuses of power then it's more likely the public will perceive the impeachment as not being in good faith. What's funny is that, despite Trump running this playbook on every scandal, GOP talking heads still get completely owned by it. They spend all their time sowing doubt trying to make it seem like the accusations aren't true, and then Trump comes in and goes, "Yeah, they're true, but it's no big deal. Not even a scandal. This is a witch hunt."
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Very few of them know all that much about what is actually written in the Bible. They're told what's in there and how it justifies their views and that serves to validate their fears, hatred, and superiority over the Other. And of course all of their fellow members of their Church of choice just show how right they are.
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MrUnderbridge posted:So Trump just admitted on live tv that he pressured Ulraine to investigate the Bidens, and added that China should too. During the Mueller report it came out Trump said, "I'm hosed" because he thought his presidency was done and this would put a stake in it. He knows what he's doing is wrong and he's just proving that he'll do whatever it takes to avoid suffering consequences.
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Groovelord Neato posted:prager sounds like he's on the verge of death on his radio show here's hoping
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BiggerBoat posted:What I still can't get is how modern conservatism and the GOP platform represent the Bible and the teachings of Christ. Abortion I get but everything else...how? They don't even seem to give a gently caress about gay people anymore now that I think about it. I also don't get how they can worship Reagan like a God since if he ran today he'd be run out on a rail. What do those have to do with Christianity? Protestantism is an insane death cult based on white supremacy. Folding in abortion was an (successful) attempt to split the solidly Democratic Catholic vote with the Moral Majority. The anti-gay platform worked for a while as it reaffirmed the heteronormative worldview but more important are the hierarchies that need to be maintained. Men over women, whites over other minorities in carefully crafted tiers with blacks on the bottom, etc. As gay men find their natural place within the Republican party it reifies gender norms. Gender non-conforming people are the threat, not gay people.
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Looks like one of the Senators in my state has fallen so far down the rabbit hole of right wing media that he's convinced that there's a secret child trafficking murder cabal that's threatening his life because he's about to crack the case of how the state child services department is selling children as sex slaves. And he's claiming that another Republican is threatening his life, after she started getting a security escort due to people threatening HER life. This article got published which specifically calls her out for DCS "kidnappings" https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/06/arizonas-child-safety-department-medical-kidnapping/ https://www.azmirror.com/2019/10/04/gop-senator-az-foster-kids-are-being-sold-into-sexual-slavery
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BiggerBoat posted:Abortion I get but everything else...how? Why do you "get" that? Why does it make sense to you that Christians should oppose abortion? Because it definitely doesn't come from the Bible. Now, Catholics have long opposed abortion based on papal teachings, but (white) Protestant evangelicals being anti-abortion is a very new development. When Roe v. Wade was decided, the Southern Baptist Convention agreed with it. You're sort of demonstrating the thesis of this thread, in that you've absorbed so much RWM insisting the anti-abortion position is normal that you've missed how odd it actually is. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/ BiggerBoat posted:A lot of conservatives genuinely believed Nixon got hosed over and received a raw deal. This video never gets old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgpyucY9_po
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poo poo the right whined so much about an insane guy who carried out illegal actions from nixon that led to what would have been nixon's eventual impeachment being voted down for a supreme court seat that the insane guy's name became a verb for being vilified in public.
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Groovelord Neato posted:poo poo the right whined so much about an insane guy who carried out illegal actions from nixon that led to what would have been nixon's eventual impeachment being voted down for a supreme court seat that the insane guy's name became a verb for being vilified in public. I would like to know more i.e. pls name this person as I'm not sure
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Shbobdb posted:Protestantism is an insane death cult based on white supremacy. Slow your roll, Pope Paul III.
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Jurgan posted:Why do you "get" that? Why does it make sense to you that Christians should oppose abortion? Because it definitely doesn't come from the Bible. Now, Catholics have long opposed abortion based on papal teachings, but (white) Protestant evangelicals being anti-abortion is a very new development. When Roe v. Wade was decided, the Southern Baptist Convention agreed with it. You're sort of demonstrating the thesis of this thread, in that you've absorbed so much RWM insisting the anti-abortion position is normal that you've missed how odd it actually is. gently caress... You're right, to much RWM absorption...
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The right wing message machine is working. My dad, who is generally a centrist, and doesn't watch Fox News, is more angry at the democrats this week for derailing the trade war with impeachment talk than he is with the president committing crime. I went off on him, not sure if it worked.
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Groovelord Neato posted:robert bork. lol, what loving place has that definition. Is it really vilifying someone to just... make publicly known the things they've openly stated in the past? LloydDobler posted:The right wing message machine is working. My dad, who is generally a centrist, and doesn't watch Fox News, is more angry at the democrats this week for derailing the trade war with impeachment talk than he is with the president committing crime. I went off on him, not sure if it worked. Mainstream, corporate media remains completely incapable of dealing with bad actors in their line of work.
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Chilichimp posted:lol, what loving place has that definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bork like i said, the right whined so much about a guy who shouldn't have been nominated to begin with got rejected (and gently caress they got kennedy so it's not like some liberal justice got in instead) that his name entered the vernacular.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:media matters and a few people have been keeping tracking of media headlines for non-foxnews. They are pretty grim and bad, printing trumps various wild accusations as "Trump claims that.." democrats eat babies, democrats disagree, stuff like that. It's not just RWM convincing your dad. The media has completely lost the narrative.
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Chilichimp posted:Is it really vilifying someone to just... make publicly known the things they've openly stated in the past? If you're a right-winger? Yes. Note how many times Trump and people in his orbit have denied saying things they've clearly said in front of witnesses or recording devices.
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Chilichimp posted:lol, what loving place has that definition. It absolutely is for them. They think Bork was a heroic conservative fighter who was unfairly targeted by Democrats (particularly Joe Biden- I know people around here don't care for him on the whole, but in this case he was a straight up hero). Generally, before then you wouldn't vote down a SC nominee unless he was corrupt or incompetent; Bork was the first time ideology was the deciding factor. Though, as said above, working as Nixon's hatchet man should probably have been disqualifying on its own. More recently, look up Kavanaugh's rant on the Senate floor where he said that people attacked him for his ideology "but at least that was just a good old-fashioned attempt at Borking" before the sex creep allegations came out. https://youtu.be/qrT0PkIi_fQ (Skip to 1:00)
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Dr. Gargunza posted:If you're a right-winger? Yes. Or the preceding sentence.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Looks like one of the Senators in my state has fallen so far down the rabbit hole of right wing media that he's convinced that there's a secret child trafficking murder cabal that's threatening his life because he's about to crack the case of how the state child services department is selling children as sex slaves. How sad is it that if the government wanted to they could totally do it, in addition to the fact that it's very likely that the kind of people who would do this would also be the same kind of people who would hold public office? E: for grammar I guess. Sleepy Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:media matters and a few people have been keeping tracking of media headlines for non-foxnews. They are pretty grim and bad, printing trumps various wild accusations as "Trump claims that.." democrats eat babies, democrats disagree, stuff like that. It's not just RWM convincing your dad. Sorry, that's actually what I meant. The right wing narrative is getting through mainstream news. I told him "if we had a left wing media like the right says, you wouldn't have even heard any of what you just said."
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Jurgan posted:Why do you "get" that? Why does it make sense to you that Christians should oppose abortion? Because it definitely doesn't come from the Bible. Now, Catholics have long opposed abortion based on papal teachings, but (white) Protestant evangelicals being anti-abortion is a very new development. When Roe v. Wade was decided, the Southern Baptist Convention agreed with it. You're sort of demonstrating the thesis of this thread, in that you've absorbed so much RWM insisting the anti-abortion position is normal that you've missed how odd it actually is. I don't think so but nice try I guess. I "get it" in the sense that if you're really religious, a person could view it as "murdering a million babies" and "don't gently caress until you're married because Jesus/Bible" so at least it's semi consistent. I'm pro choice and fully support reproductive rights. I was just saying that how, out of everything they get on about, that this particular issue makes more sense to me than greed, war, xenophobia, capital punishment, racism, cruelty and all of the things that they seem to not only forgive but actively worship in this most non pious President who, near as I can ascertain, embodies the seven deadly sins writ large. DJT is the furthest thing from a christian that I can think of for someone that has such rock solid evangelical support and the RWM spin that he's doing god's work and all that makes me ill.
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't think so but nice try I guess. Because for the most part these people know gently caress all about what's in their bible, which for what it's worth was an anthology of conflicting contradictory works that was compiled largely to give the clergy a useful scripture for whatever they wanted to justify on any particular day. A few years back I shared an office with a not super ideological but generic Christian Republican evangelical type. And we got to talking about religion and the Bible and I was finally "It's your loving Bible how do I know more about what's in it as an atheist then you do?" For the most part these people are just like the illiterate peasants of the middle ages, they go to church their pastor reads whatever passage they're going to twist to make whatever stupid racist, sexist bigoted argument in favor of the status quo and they just kind of dumbly nod along because if they actually spent the slightest amount of effort thinking about it and questioning it they'd be ostracized from their social group. I've said it before for the most part Republican voters aren't particularly ideological, they aren't deep thinkers who have spent a lot of time in introspection or reading a range of history or philosophy it's just a part of their cultural identity reinforced with a few bits of bumper sticker rhetoric that sounds reasonable if you just don't think about it too much. The pressure to conform in human societies is incredibly powerful and omnipresent. It's part of the problem that those of us who are liberal or on the left run into in that individually if you can get these people in a one on one engagement they aren't necessarily the fire breathing goose stepping chuds that we see at the Trump rallies, they're just normal, even likeable decent folks. It's just that the sociopaths who are their leaders have figured out how to manipulate them by triggering their fears and paranoia and the fear response shuts down higher cognitive functions as they shift into fight flight or freeze mode. That's why right wing propaganda is always about stoking fears and grievances, it is intentionally engineered to evoke fear, if you make people afraid they forget how to think, they are more susceptible to manipulation. That's why these propagandists on the RW media always lead with some new outrage because it starts that "yeah you're right those damned libtards and minorities and SJWs are always trying to" what ever horrible thing they're trying to rile them up about. Then their brains are open, their cognitive functions retarded and the propagandists starts filling their minds with poo poo. It's literal brain washing and mind control and it comes right in through their radios, TVs and internet devices. It's sophisticated well researched and financed by people how have a definite agenda. It's also why they demonize other sources of information so much, can't have alternative programing messing with source code. Can't have the rubes thinking too hard about things which is why they are anti-intellectual and anti-science why they only care about reading writing and arithmetic, you know the skills needed to produce what the masters want and accept and understand the programming. They hate public schools and liberal arts programs because if people are taught critical thinking skills they might actually turn them onto their own beliefs and can't have that. While I hate their leaders and programmers with the fires of a thousand suns I mainly feel sorry for the rank and file who never really had a chance against the sociopaths and the resources they have brought to bear against them.
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't think so but nice try I guess. You’re getting a little defensive there. I’m not accusing you of anything except being a victim of propaganda. I certainly didn’t say you’re secretly anti-choice. But viewing abortion as “murdering babies” is not an obvious conclusion one can draw from orthodox Christianity. I don’t see why believing that rape victims must carry their rapist’s child to term is any more consistent than, say, starting a war against a country with a different religion. It’s important to me that we don’t allow the right to claim the moral or religious high ground on this issue, and I think you’re giving them too much credit by claiming it’s any sort of even semi-consistent moral principle. Jurgan fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Another example of the right wing media spin machine working s that I heard a bunch of people come out with the line saying that New York outlawed the use of the term illegal immigrant. None of them are right wingers and one was simply someone across on a visit. From what I can tell the issue actually at hand was that anti-disrimination laws apply to immigrants and that the "no immigrants" in someones "No blacks, no gays, no immigrants" sign was just as illegal as the other two. For some reason the articles on the Heritage Foundation site and Reason.com et al are recasting that as an outrage.
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Vichan posted:I wonder how long it will take for the right wing media to pivot on Trump when defending him is no longer a viable option. That's not really going to happen. I've explained this before, but Trump is the culmination of the insane right wing project that started with Goldwater that traced through Nixon/Reagan. If Trump goes down they'll just shift to a narrative where Trump was too good, too pure for the deep state to let him exist. His failure will become yet more proof of what a great job he was doing. The only time in your lifetime the Republican base has ever turned on a president were the Bush presidencies, and that was because the base never much cared for the Bush family to begin with. Their failures were chalked up to not having been true believers in the aforementioned insane right wing project. Don't disappoint yourself waiting for Trumpites to come to their senses. They probably won't. There's a lot of tears that will be able to be enjoyed, but you probably won't ever get the catharsis of Trump's base or RWM turning on him. If Trump gets impeached they'll probably be like, "drat, Trump clearly extremely successful at having owned the libs, lol. Triggered much?" ErIog fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Yeah I think Trump will end up another patron saint in conservatism, much more so than Reagan. He has a head start over all of them with all the bizarre myths about his competence in various things.
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Skex posted:Because for the most part these people know gently caress all about what's in their bible, which for what it's worth was an anthology of conflicting contradictory works that was compiled largely to give the clergy a useful scripture for whatever they wanted to justify on any particular day. He said "blessed are the cheese makers. It's not meant to taken literally" Alternatively "Yes. We are all individuals!" Jurgan posted:You’re getting a little defensive there. I’m not accusing you of anything except being a victim of propaganda. Sorry about that. I read too much into your post . I can see a logical consistency between the "the Bible says murder is bad, killing unborn babies is murder, therefore abortion is bad" that I can't quite drum up for all those other things Republicans and conservatives think. Like "gently caress the poor" and "bomb Iran" for instance.
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Mr Interweb posted:yeah, that's what i heard too. but that would only address half the issue. a person from the real world would no doubt be horrified at homer's position and antics. but would they come up with a scheme to get him fired? After discovering that he was responsible for the safety of a nuclear power plant (not to mention the one you worked at) and discovering that no one else was doing anything else about it. Yeah. That is perhaps the moral thing to do?
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However. He is history's One Funny Conservative. Edit: John Schwartzwelder is. He's got the writing credit for Homer At Bat, and his novel "The Time Machine Did It" is really good. Alastor_the_Stylish fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:However. He is history's One Funny Conservative. How can there only be one when Mike Nelson also exists? Man, finding out Mike Nelson is buddies with Doug TenNapel and Adam loving Ford was really disheartening. At least Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett balance him out.
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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:However. He is history's One Funny Conservative. You forgot about Dennis Miller.
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