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Like, anyone who goes to try to defend this guy by saying oh he thought it was someone else or oh well in his defense it was a scary noise at night is still part of that system that thinks that it is reasonable for your first response to be to shoot things with a gun to kill them
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InediblePenguin posted:Like, anyone who goes to try to defend this guy by saying oh he thought it was someone else or oh well in his defense it was a scary noise at night is still part of that system that thinks that it is reasonable for your first response to be to shoot things with a gun to kill them
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PetraCore posted:I feel like part of that is the assumption that someone attacking you is going to have a gun to shoot and kill you, too. It's self-reinforcing. He was inside of his house and could have just not answered the door and faced anybody at all instead he chose to open the door and shoot someone
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Oct 5, 2019 18:22
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InediblePenguin posted:He was inside of his house and could have just not answered the door and faced anybody at all instead he chose to open the door and shoot someone This is just bizarre. The way the article is written, it's claiming the victim went to directly from the airport to his future father-in-law's house at 11:30 PM, snuck into the back yard, pounded on the back door to get his attention, then went and hid in some bushes nearby. The father-in-law goes to the back door, turns on the light outside, doesn't see anything, so he steps outside, at which point the victim jumps out of the bushes and, allegedly, growled at the father-in-law. At which point the father-in-law shot him dead. It's also saying that the victim's friend was there too, so I'm assuming we'll find out shortly that the friend was filming the whole thing for a hilarious viral video or some poo poo.
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Azathoth posted:This is just bizarre. shooting is not a reasonable thing to do even in the circumstances you just described. if guns were not ubiquitous and gun culture had not propagandized the populace to the point that they have a “shoot first ask questions later” attitude to personal safety, this man might, at worst, have been hit by a baseball bat. e: on rereading it now seems like you were pointing out the same thing and my post comes off as combative, sorry about that! DragQueenofAngmar has a new favorite as of 19:19 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Oct 5, 2019 19:13
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:shooting is not a reasonable thing to do even in the circumstances you just described. if guns were not ubiquitous and gun culture had not propagandized the populace to the point that they have a “shoot first ask questions later” attitude to personal safety, this man might, at worst, have been hit by a baseball bat. Yeah, if that exact sequence happens to me, I'm grabbing a bat and going to see what is happening. Best case scenario, there's an animal back there tearing poo poo up that needs to be chased off or a neighbor whose dog/cat got loose. If its some idiot, I'm telling them to leave and if they don't, I'm going back inside and calling the cops and they can figure out exactly why someone is in my backyard uninvited at close to midnight. But if I step outside, see nothing, then someone jumps out at me, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that they don't have good intentions. I hate that the guy got killed, but holy poo poo if I had to guess what the expected outcome of this would have been, it'd either be "physically assaulted by father-in-law" or "arrested after neighbor reports prowler in father-in-law's back yard"
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Azathoth posted:But if I step outside, see nothing, then someone jumps out at me, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that they don't have good intentions. I hate that the guy got killed, but holy poo poo if I had to guess what the expected outcome of this would have been, it'd either be "physically assaulted by father-in-law" or "arrested after neighbor reports prowler in father-in-law's back yard"
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Welcome to the Book Bunker! Our cafe serves boxed water, MREs, and iodine tablets. All purchases must be made with cryptocurrency or gold bars, and no identifying information will ever be collected. No returns or exchanges to prevent inevitable RFID chip implants by federal pigs.   And what is ALICE? Well,            
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InediblePenguin posted:you keep trying to make this point and like. yes. okay. i see the point you are trying ot make. but still loving none of that even loving matters because even if you assume they don't have good intentions you don't have to loving jump straight to SHOOT THEM TO DEATH WITH A GUN? particularly given the infinitesimally low number of random prowlers lurking in random backyards with intent to kill.
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The levels of overcompensating to title your prepper propaganda "I'm NOT Scared..." is unreal
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, if that exact sequence happens to me, I'm grabbing a bat and going to see what is happening. Best case scenario, there's an animal back there tearing poo poo up that needs to be chased off or a neighbor whose dog/cat got loose. okay but both of those outcomes are way way way better than the guy being shot to death, which can only happen because this guy had a gun on hand to do that with as a reaction to being scared
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:okay but both of those outcomes are way way way better than the guy being shot to death, which can only happen because this guy had a gun on hand to do that with as a reaction to being scared Yep, he absolutely should have grabbed a bat instead, but here we are.
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InediblePenguin posted:He was inside of his house and could have just not answered the door and faced anybody at all instead he chose to open the door and shoot someone This is a bad and terrible thing because it leads to a lot of people getting shot instead of hypothetically hit with baseball bats, one of which is usually easier to recover from.
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Oct 5, 2019 22:45
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Imagine marrying into such a trigger happy family, he dodged a bullet imo. No wait...
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Both stories highlight a really unnerving subset of gun owners. There's a certain lazy/discouraged murderer demographic who buys a gun and longs for the day they get to kill someone. The ones who unironically love the Death Wish movies and see them as aspirational. If you told them they could kill a "bad guy" and get away with it consequence and guilt-free, they would take the shot. The story of the mother wounding her daughter stood out. I think early reporting had the mother basically lying in wait and ambushing her. It kind of sounds like the daughter bent the story a little to keep her mother out of trouble. Although the daughter's story doesn't make a ton of sense either. She didn't say anything when she came home? And as weird as the FiL's story is, yeah, his own version is that he opened the front door planning to threaten or gun down a different relative. Either way though, if I heard the door open or someone loving around in my house, I'd probably call out or lock myself in and call the police. Yeah, in the 0.1% chance that it's a serial killer or dedicated assassin, I guess I'm hosed for giving my position away and will never get the chance to land a perfect killshot, but I think I'm okay with that risk. Even in my pretty isolated and quiet neighborhood we had people show up at the wrong house. A few times, back before we started keeping the front door locked most of the time, they'd come inside briefly before realizing they had the wrong house (the neighbor had a lot of friends and kind of an open-door policy). It was a little surprising but easy to sort out. I can't imagine jumping to the conclusion that they were there to kill me.
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Dallas PD murdered him. 100%. welcome to Texas, yeehaw
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Azathoth posted:Yep, he absolutely should have grabbed a bat instead, but here we are. yes, here we are, because this country is addicted to guns and half the government are pushers. are you being dense deliberately?
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BREAKING: Neighbor of #BothamJean who “worked closely with prosecutors just a week ago to ensure Amber Guyger was properly convicted in the murder trial” was “killed last night after being shot several times...” aaaaand it’s now being reported that this key witness in the trial which put a cop away for murder was shot in the mouth
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:BREAKING: Neighbor of #BothamJean who “worked closely with prosecutors just a week ago to ensure Amber Guyger was properly convicted in the murder trial” was “killed last night after being shot several times...” seriously, 2 posts above yours.
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You live in a third world country.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You live in a third world country. Black people getting murdered isn't an excuse to flex your superiority complex. Especially if you think racism somehow doesn't exist where you are.
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They're not wrong though. We do.
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The only people responsible enough to have guns are the police, military, and corporate security goons, who will surely act to protect everybody equally instead of continuing to enforce some kind of bigoted and classist power structure while actively recruiting neo-nazis into their ranks. https://twitter.com/marcklock/status/1137569516718821376  Yes indeedy just look at how proper and responsible the cops are in Europe. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/02/germany-has-a-neo-nazi-terror-epidemic/ quote:This blindness to right-wing terrorism is one of the reasons, Schultz told me, that it took authorities so long to recognize that the 10 murders carried out by the National Socialist Underground (NSU) beginning in 2000 were the work of a terrorist organization. Indeed, as Jacob Kushner has documented in Foreign Policy, authorities largely tried to restrict the investigation into the group’s three core members, Uwe Mundlos, Uwe Böhnhardt, and Beate Zschäpe, despite the fact that there was strong evidence that they had substantial support from other right-wing extremists, as well as some indication that some of that support may have come from within the government. https://www.thelocal.se/20191004/three-police-officers-cleared-over-fatal-shooting-of-man-with-down-syndrome quote:Three police officers have been cleared of all charges in connection with the fatal shooting of severely disabled man Eric Torell, 20, a court case that has made international headlines.
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packetmantis posted:Black people getting murdered isn't an excuse to flex your superiority complex. Especially if you think racism somehow doesn't exist where you are. In most western countries the cops aren't doing systematic extrajudicial executions of all who ever crossed them.
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C.M. Kruger posted:
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buddhist nudist posted:It seems nice because they actually go against powerful people (because it's fiction) but it's also a universe where if you're kidnapped and buried alive, Judge Dredd will dig you free so he can give you the death sentence for loitering. No, he won't - and loitering would only be a month in a cube tops anyway. Dredd has victim-blamed when someone has done something incredibly stupid, such as walking through a slum area while obviously rich, and he's done a lot of the usual ACAB things in the process of catching real criminals, but he'd never just make up crimes to lock someone up. Technically he doesn't have to anyway, what with so many things being illegal, but that's the whole point of the comic parody of fascism as highlighted in The Day The Law Died: if nobody understands what is not legal, they'll be afraid to do anything at all. Everyone should read a bunch of Dredd. He's a much more nuanced character than people think, and more relevant than ever.
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fauna posted:i'm judge dredd irl thank you for your service
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Miss posted:thank you for your service Thanking a Judge is twelve hours in the iso-cubes, citizen, for attempted emotional bribery. Pvt.Scott has a new favorite as of 11:11 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Punkin Spunkin posted:They're not wrong though. We do. We don’t. The US is specifically a hellhole compared to other developed countries and it’s chauvinistic as all hell to pretend that it’s some unique special terrible place. It’s on the rear end end of developed countries but it is one.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:We don’t. The US is specifically a hellhole compared to other developed countries and it’s chauvinistic as all hell to pretend that it’s some unique special terrible place. It’s on the rear end end of developed countries but it is one. Some parts sure don’t seem like it. When I drive down to New Orleans from Missouri, I get to see some extreme poverty, town after town.
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Pretty sure there are parts of the country where infrastructure is actually at 3rd-world levels.
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We compare the US unfavourably to places like Denmark, and not places like Mozambique, for a reason. Or like, do you think you don't see extreme poverty, small town to small town, driving between Toronto and Québec (let alone going from say, Ontario to northern Manitoba) or between Strasbourg and Toulouse? You do. The whole "woe is us, the US is the worst country ever imagined" sentiment is chauvinistic. We can fix the US without pretending that things here are the worst. Hell the idea that we're super duper especially bad is itself just more loving american exceptionalism. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 19:36 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:We compare the US unfavourably to places like Denmark, and not places like Mozambique, for a reason. We're super duper especially bad because we're super duper especially powerful. Every lovely thing we do is worse because if it's domestic we have the resources to fix it that Mozambique doesn't have and if it's foreign we have the ability to screw things up for people on a level beyond what Denmark can do. Same thing was true of the British at the height of their power, and it will be true of whoever replaces us.
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Also the reason we compare ourselves to places like Denmark is just straight up racism. If you do look at various developmental markers in "third world" countries (at least the ones we don't systematically destabilize), you'll notice we're being overtaken by or simply falling beneath their levels. However, only European countries are allowed to claim they have true sovereignty, which is also why almost every leftist in America thinks Scandinavian Social Democracy is the ideal political-economic model for a government.
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MizPiz posted:almost every leftist in America thinks Scandinavian Social Democracy is the ideal political-economic model for a government. if you live ten years ago maybe but nowadays I'm fairly certain that no one who self-identifies as a leftist thinks that at all. like you can find a straight-dope tankie easier than finding an "as a socialist, I love Europe" type
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