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EimiYoshikawa posted:I get that, and Robert being a massive technophobe is why it's even possible, at all, that it could have happened in the Chalet Picard. It's just...I mean, Earth in TNG days is basically magical space utopia, it's surrounded by satellites and starships and sensor nets, it's the seat of the Federation's government, as well as Starfleet's, and it prides itself on being Paradise, where no one wants, or fears, or suffers, or dies in a house fire. The fire actually isn't described at all in Generations. I found the scene on youtube where Picard flips through the photo album and tearfully tells Troi about it, and literally all he says is that Robert and Rene "burned to death in a fire". We've all been assuming that means the house at the vineyard burned down, but for all we know they drunkenly staggered into a bonfire.
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bennyfactor posted:The idea of an old school Warbird from the rubble of the Romulan Empire showing up is pretty cool, although I hope that's not the final CGI pass. I'll bite, I've stared at it for like a minute and can't see anything wrong with it. What's your problem with the effects?
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Powered Descent posted:The fire actually isn't described at all in Generations. I found the scene on youtube where Picard flips through the photo album and tearfully tells Troi about it, and literally all he says is that Robert and Rene "burned to death in a fire". We've all been assuming that means the house at the vineyard burned down, but for all we know they drunkenly staggered into a bonfire. I saw this happen to some dude while playing RDR2 last night. I got too close to his campsite, he got up to tell me to go away and took a step forward into his own campfire and burned to death. I could totally see Robert doing this.
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FlamingLiberal posted:In Enterprise, there is a point where Daniels tells Archer that in the 27th century or something the Klingons join the UFP Also I just remembered Daniels is from the 31st Century where The Federation still exists and is doing fine. Apparently Discovery is now in the 32nd. What the hell happened in 100 years to cause the situation the Federation is in, or are they just going to ignore that despite being "nah we're totally being canonical" 
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Angry_Ed posted:Also I just remembered Daniels is from the 31st Century where The Federation still exists and is doing fine. Apparently Discovery is now in the 32nd. What the hell happened in 100 years to cause the situation the Federation is in, or are they just going to ignore that despite being "nah we're totally being canonical" I thought that timeline, where the Federation is in a war with the sphere builders for ages, doesn't happen because of our heroes stopping the sphere builders' evil scheme.
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Angry_Ed posted:Also I just remembered Daniels is from the 31st Century where The Federation still exists and is doing fine. Apparently Discovery is now in the 32nd. What the hell happened in 100 years to cause the situation the Federation is in, or are they just going to ignore that despite being "nah we're totally being canonical" Turns out Archer should have taken that Temporal Cold War more seriously.
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marktheando posted:I thought that timeline, where the Federation is in a war with the sphere builders for ages, doesn't happen because of our heroes stopping the sphere builders' evil scheme. No, the sphere builder timeline is a different one from Daniels' future. But yeah I'd imagine that Disco's just going to ignore all the future stuff; IE Starfleet running full-blown timeships like Aeon and Relativity in the 29th century and apparently being totally fine in the 31st.
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MikeJF posted:No, the sphere builder timeline is a different one from Daniels' future. It's not, at least according to memory alpha. The federation defeats the sphere builders in the 26th century, in the original timeline. Then thanks to Archer's shenanigans, they are defeated way earlier and the expanse is safe, the spheres destroyed. MikeJF posted:But yeah I'd imagine that Disco's just going to ignore all the future stuff; IE Starfleet running full-blown timeships like Aeon and Relativity in the 29th century and apparently being totally fine in the 31st. Yeah this is the real answer. Double checking the sphere builders thing and the memory alpha page on alternate timelines is so, so long. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Alternate_timeline With all that timeline fuckery really anything goes. FlamingLiberal posted:I think we briefly see a ruined 31st century in a possible timeline where Archer fails Yes Daniels takes Archer to the future and accidentally destroys his own civilisation because it's now a timeline where Archer vanished
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marktheando posted:It's not, at least according to memory alpha. The federation defeats the sphere builders in the 26th century, in the original timeline. Then thanks to Archer's shenanigans, they are defeated way earlier and the expanse is safe, the spheres destroyed. Oh, yeah, you're right. Either way, though, I'm pretty sure Daniel's Federation's future was stated to be safe regardless after the Expanse was eliminated early. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, just because they say this is the prime universe's future doesn't mean that can't be ignored by future Trek stuff if they want. Trek has enough timeline fuckery to justify whatever you want to do with the setting. True, but it's probably less likely to be ignored now that Discovery's staying here. If this is basically the full blown setting of a series rather than a one-off 'future' plotline it'll probably be respected.
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davidspackage posted:It still kind of hurts to hear how tired PatStew sounds. That painting is crying out for a jandrew edit... Also dat TOS Bird of Prey 
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marktheando posted:Yes Daniels takes Archer to the future and accidentally destroys his own civilisation because it's now a timeline where Archer vanished I enjoy how deeply stupid that whole thing was, it just paints Daniels as an incompetent buffoon. However, I actually genuinely like Enterprise, warts and all. The Temporal Cold War stuff was a fun idea that they bungled, really. Like, imagine one day some guy with nutso future tech shows up and tells you that you're important to history and he's here to stop plots against you which will be hatched 400 years in the future. That's a pretty neat hook for a story. They just didn't really know what else to do with it until Space 9/11.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:They just didn't really know what else to do with it until Space 9/11. God, the “yeehaw USA  “ that permeated TV and movies between 2001 and 2006 is just going to keep aging more and more poorly.
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Pick posted:I think it's a roundabout way to make it clear that anyone who cares that much is a psycho. It hasn't aged well but the RLM reviews are still really funny and I will probably always find them funny. It also shows that the RLM crew can make a more compelling, complex story about the relationship between a serial killer and one of his victims than Lucas could with Anakin and Padme. They're not just critics, they're filmmakers in their own (small) way. You can question the creative direction, but they made a pretty decent story about a serial killer. It's just that there's a reason why stories about serial killers aren't usually told from the killer's POV. You have to be on Hannibal's tier for that to work.
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mllaneza posted:It also shows that the RLM crew can make a more compelling, complex story about the relationship between a serial killer and one of his victims than Lucas could with Anakin and Padme. They're not just critics, they're filmmakers in their own (small) way. You can question the creative direction, but they made a pretty decent story about a serial killer. It's just that there's a reason why stories about serial killers aren't usually told from the killer's POV. You have to be on Hannibal's tier for that to work. hannibal the guy or hannibal the live-action yaoi with laurence fishburne
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Astroman posted:That painting is crying out for a jandrew edit...
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bennyfactor posted:The idea of an old school Warbird from the rubble of the Romulan Empire showing up is pretty cool, although I hope that's not the final CGI pass. It almost certainly isn't, and I'm also jazzed to see that design again. Pick posted:hannibal the guy or hannibal the live-action yaoi with laurence fishburne The latter.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That's the most confusing thing to me, like why would that ship still be around in the 2390s If the Empire is falling apart, they're probably pulling whatever ships they can out of mothballs, ancient or not. Alternatively, if the Empire is gone entirely then there's probably no one left to keep old military hardware from getting snatched and repurposed by whoever can break the locks. They probably aren't that much older than the Mirandas or K'Tingas that were still flying around shooting poo poo/getting shot to poo poo during the Dominion War.
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Tighclops posted:Spock particles
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Finished Voyager, gently caress this last episode for making it canon that Janeway hates coffee. How many people died in nebulas so she could have coffee?
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MikeJF posted:No, the sphere builder timeline is a different one from Daniels' future. I bet they're just going to rip off Year of Hell but for a whole season for real this time. 12 episodes (or whatever) figuring out what in the last 1000 years caused the Federation to fall. And then a big ol' reset button smash at the end. poof none of this happened
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FuturePastNow posted:I bet they're just going to rip off Year of Hell but for a whole season for real this time. Does this mean we'll be able to finally put to bed this idea that a whole season/show of Year of Hell would be good?
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FuturePastNow posted:I bet they're just going to rip off Year of Hell but for a whole season for real this time. 12 episodes (or whatever) figuring out what in the last 1000 years caused the Federation to fall. I think the reset button will be contingent upon fan reaction on Reddit or whatever.
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Fornax Disaster posted:I saw this happen to some dude while playing RDR2 last night. I got too close to his campsite, he got up to tell me to go away and took a step forward into his own campfire and burned to death. Robert, you're on fire. Ohh! I'm on "fire", am I? Well, let me tell you something my high and mighty brother once aghhhh
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Wheezle posted:
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Like, imagine one day some guy with nutso future tech shows up and tells you that you're important to history and he's here to stop plots against you which will be hatched 400 years in the future. That's a pretty neat hook for a story. They just didn't really know what else to do with it until Space 9/11.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I enjoy how deeply stupid that whole thing was, it just paints Daniels as an incompetent buffoon. However, I actually genuinely like Enterprise, warts and all. The Temporal Cold War stuff was a fun idea that they bungled, really. It would've been a fine idea for a new next generation series to run with, but for the much-vaunted prequel it was a terrible idea, it compromised the idea of it being the prequel from day one.
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Timby posted:
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I see those wee scamps over at Axanar are up to their monkey shines again. Bet CBS is overjoyed!
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Trickjaw posted:I see those wee scamps over at Axanar are up to their monkey shines again. Bet CBS is overjoyed! They actually shipped physical rewards recently. The ship patches are nice.
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Trickjaw posted:I see those wee scamps over at Axanar are up to their monkey shines again. Bet CBS is overjoyed! Apparently they live in some alternate universe where there are no fan film guidelines and they can literally just do whatever they want. So they basically ruined it for everyone except them. I hope they spend years making 6 episodes and CBS sues the everliving poo poo out of them and they are forbidden from any of the episodes seeing the light of day. Wheezle posted:
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davidspackage posted:It still kind of hurts to hear how tired PatStew sounds. Jan 23 is my birthday, thanks for this great gift, Star Trek!
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davidspackage posted:I kind of suspect we'll be spending a lot more time than expected with the new characters, but whatevs.
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