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C.M. Kruger posted:Scaled for population. As I said it's an issue of cities vs. rural areas being politically and socially disconnected (even though we're interdependent on everything else) if not in direct opposition. The cartogram distorted for population is a great way to visualize it though.
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Smiling Jack posted:honestly as long as maggots aren't crawling out of your kids diaper and he isn't covered in cigarette burns or you didn't beat up your own kid and then drag him to the playground to fight another four year old in front of an approving crowd and your kids actually fed you're doing better than a lot of parents Hey this is the logic my mom used to convince me to not tell CPS about the beatings and send me to live with my *broke* dad. gently caress this line of thought. Love your children. Listen to them and try to understand. Don't just show up to cash he checks and claim the taxes.
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Oct 6, 2019 15:12
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Wasabi the J posted:Hey this is the logic my mom used to convince me to not tell CPS about the beatings and send me to live with my *broke* dad. Well this explains the old MLP avatar
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Oct 6, 2019 15:16
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Thank gently caress I decided against kids and for divorce. I genuinely mean that, I would've been a terrible father. Good thing I have two brothers to satisfy the grandbaby desires of my mother.
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Oct 6, 2019 15:22
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In re: nobody cares I have spoken with very loud trumpers in north florida who all are in agreement that Trump hosed up and he needs to be impeached. Multiple people have said “now I have a copy of the whistleblower report and the whitehouse readout, and they match verbatim. Trump hosed up and it’s unacceptable.”
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Smiling Jack posted:nobody cares. nobody cares. nobody loving cares I mean there is polling that suggests that the average voter does care about these issues and that this is a very serious and significant impeachment inquiry. Do whatever you feel like you need to stay healthy. This whole impeachment thing is going to be a shitshow, though that seems pretty appropriate for a process that seeks to remove the elected head of our government.
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Mr. Nice! posted:In re: nobody cares I have spoken with very loud trumpers in north florida who all are in agreement that Trump hosed up and he needs to be impeached. The voting booth has a curtain
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Yeah, I think the political and media class care (to the extent they think it's interesting and controversial and will drive attention from their peers), and are working themselves up over this. I'm not sure if that translates to your average republican voter caring, or republican senators thinking that voting for impeachment won't get them primaried.
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Crakkerjakk posted:Yeah, I think the political and media class care (to the extent they think it's interesting and controversial and will drive attention from their peers), and are working themselves up over this. I'm not sure if that translates to your average republican voter caring, or republican senators thinking that voting for impeachment won't get them primaried. There are 23 republican senators are up for election in 2020. All but three of them come from R+5 states. Most of them are giant names that could actually say what ever about trump and still win such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham. Plenty of republican senators can vote to remove from office without primary concerns because no one will remember in 2-4 years because our electorate is made of goldfish. The only way the senate gets flipped to a democratic supermajority is if a bunch of deep red states somehow flip blue, which isn't going to happen. A blue wave will probably result in a 53-47 senate makeup.
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Flying_Crab posted:how do we even begin to reconcile that? A strong social safety net and a strong spine for the Dems. Also make the Dems stop being such bald-faced urban coastal elitists at the natural level. Hillary was basically worst-case scenario for actually getting the rural vote. Dems need to stand up and actually help the working class and the parts of the country that don't touch an ocean, or we'll keep getting generation after generation of scared broke racists indoctrinating their children into their death cult.
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Oct 6, 2019 16:33
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Mr. Nice! posted:There are 23 republican senators are up for election in 2020. All but three of them come from R+5 states. Most of them are giant names that could actually say what ever about trump and still win such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham. 
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Oct 6, 2019 16:35
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McConnell doesn't exactly have the power to stop an impeachment trial. He isn't in charge of it. John Roberts is. Remember that the senate majority leader only has power because of senate rules. Mitch is not in a position to have anything to do with an impeachment trial except that he controls a majority of the jurors.
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Oct 6, 2019 16:38
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A Bad Poster posted:That Twitter account is just a bot that automatically takes Donny's tweets and formats them like official White House correspondence. MRC48B posted:Real Press Sec Bot is a joke twitter bot somebody ginned up when they realized that trump's tweets are technically Official Government Announcements. Dang, this thread moves fast. Thank you for explaining this, I've never used twitter. Not being sarcastic.
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Obviously the president gets to appoint a supreme court nominee. It says so right in the constitution. How can noted Republican Mitch McConnel possibly gently caress with something so obvious?
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bird food bathtub posted:Obviously the president gets to appoint a supreme court nominee. It says so right in the constitution. How can noted Republican Mitch McConnel possibly gently caress with something so obvious? Well, if the president is from CHICAGO, then Senate Republicans can stop all nominations forever. For the good of the country, you see.
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Oct 6, 2019 16:50
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:Dang, this thread moves fast. Thank you for explaining this, I've never used twitter. Not being sarcastic. Your life is better for it.
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Oct 6, 2019 16:54
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bird food bathtub posted:Obviously the president gets to appoint a supreme court nominee. It says so right in the constitution. How can noted Republican Mitch McConnel possibly gently caress with something so obvious? That's a completely different process. The president gets to nominate, and then with advice and consent of the senate, gets to appoint. On the other hand, the senate is effectively the jury in an impeachment trial. The issue is that 2/3 majority is necessary to convict and remove from office. Once we have a dozen or so R senators saying "remove from office" things will matter.
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Internet Wizard posted:A strong social safety net and a strong spine for the Dems. Also make the Dems stop being such bald-faced urban coastal elitists at the natural level. Hillary was basically worst-case scenario for actually getting the rural vote. Yeah dude but statistically nobody loving lives in the middle. A lot of these states have rounding errors for population.
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bird cooch posted:Yeah dude but statistically nobody loving lives in the middle. A lot of these states have rounding errors for population. This is true. The vast majority of the "heartland" of America is empty space.
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Oct 6, 2019 17:02
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Wasabi the J posted:The voting booth has a curtain Not in Georgia, they don't. I know this because I want to take a picture of my ballot when I fill it out as proof because I don't trust diebold voting machines, but it's illegal here to take pictures anywhere in a voting area. And I have no privacy curtain so I can take a pic without being seen.
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Oct 6, 2019 17:06
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bird cooch posted:Yeah dude but statistically nobody loving lives in the middle. A lot of these states have rounding errors for population. Oh okay gently caress the poor then
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Oct 6, 2019 17:08
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bird cooch posted:Yeah dude but statistically nobody loving lives in the middle. A lot of these states have rounding errors for population. When we say middle though what are we meaning? Most states between the Mississippi River and California? Yeah that's mostly empty. The urbanized South (e.g. Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, etc.) & Great Lakes, Midwest, etc? There are a fuckload of people and major cities that aren't East/West coast in those areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Midwestern_metropolitan_areas Add that up and it's a fairly large percentage of the US population which isn't on either coast. Flying_Crab fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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Oct 6, 2019 17:11
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Democratic policies do by in large help the rural communities. Republican policies have absolutely decimated them, and continue to do so under Trump. People in these areas aren't voting republican because of their policies and they weren't voting against Clinton because she didn't pander to them enough.
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Flying_Crab posted:When we say middle though what are we meaning? Most states between the Mississippi River and California? Yeah that's mostly empty. The urbanized South (e.g. Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, etc.) & Great Lakes? There are a fuckload of people and major cities that aren't East/West coast in those areas. It used to be called the Great American Desert, but now it's the Midwest. Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakota's, Montana, Wyoming, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Nevada, Idaho, and the western half of Washington State.
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BigDave posted:It used to be called the Great American Desert, but now it's the Midwest. Ok yeah, that's what I think of when we're talking empty places.
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Mr. Nice! posted:There are 23 republican senators are up for election in 2020. All but three of them come from R+5 states. Most of them are giant names that could actually say what ever about trump and still win such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham. I live in Texas and people viscerally hate George W Bush and Jeb now because they didn't support Trump. Red state Senators will not vote to impeach Trump because they are far more worried about a primary than a general election loss. A Senate seat is worth a lifetime of graft and not a single one of them will risk that.
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Flying_Crab posted:Ok yeah, that's what I think of when we're talking empty places. It's basically Bundy territory. Both Ted and Cliven.
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Internet Wizard posted:Oh okay gently caress the poor then You know who turbofucks the poor? The party who swears up and down they support “real America” and small towns. Blaming democrats for impoverished rural voters because you buy into the “coastal elite” rightwing smear doesn’t actually help the poor, it increases support for the right.
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Except the Democrats havent done poo poo for the poor lately which is the entire reason we're here.
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Internet Wizard posted:Oh okay gently caress the poor then Don’t say the quite part part loud closet republican. Heh
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Except the Democrats havent done poo poo for the poor lately which is the entire reason we're here. Almost all of the poor loving has been done by republicans in control at the state level of those states. Medicaid, TANF, and other programs to support the poor are run entirely at the state level. Democrats have not had the ability to do anything to help them at all because they aren't elected in those areas.
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Never mind This is just triage. bird cooch fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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BigDave posted:It used to be called the Great American Desert, but now it's the Midwest. That's not the Midwest. That's just West.
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It is a direct right wing talking point to say that voting for Democrats is bad for poor people. In practice, poor voters generally vote for democrats (not rural poor, but the poor in general). Now, poor white dudes? Yes, poor white dudes vote Trump.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Except the Democrats havent done poo poo for the poor lately which is the entire reason we're here. We are working in a two party system, and Democrats' policies are better for a large, large majority of the country. A whole bunch of poor/not rich people are voting for the party who actively works to hurt them instead of the party that simply doesn't care about them because of some combination of racism, misogyny, and spite. mlmp08 posted:It is a direct right wing talking point to say that voting for Democrats is bad for poor people. In practice, poor voters generally vote for democrats (not rural poor, but the poor in general). This is a good point, while Republicans point to Democrats as the party of the "elite", Republicans on average are wealthier and earn more. But there's just something there that causes poor whites, especially men, to vote for Republicans. Wonder what it is....
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Stultus Maximus posted:That's not the Midwest. That's just West. And it should be eastern Washington state, not PNW west half. Midwest is like, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota.
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Casimir Radon posted:Cut off federal and state aid and see if a country boy really can survive? They have the food, gas, and water. All the problems that develop in the rural parts of the country will be magnified by *city population* as a downstream effect. holocaust bloopers posted:Male cat fully equipped for offense is left out of cage at pet hotel; fucks himself to exhaustion My favorite story of the year. 
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Godholio posted:They have the food, gas, and water. If so why poor?
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LingcodKilla posted:If so why poor? Capitalism. 
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