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Chuka Umana posted:How much money did Gary Glitter get from this movie? That's just the first wave of profits. I bet the song will jump to the top of itunes after dinguses purchase it blindly after seeing the movie.
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Yeah Gary Glitter is going to die in prison
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Oct 6, 2019 21:18
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Sierra Nevadan posted:About the end scene: a lot of people have theorized that it takes place some time into the future. The hospital looks much more modern and shiny compared to earlier in the film when it was all grungy and cast in a yellow light. Arthur also has some grey stubble. I was wondering about that part too. Is the scene where he’s being cheered by the mob of clowns real, or was he just being driven to Arkham Asylum by the cops and having another fantasy/delusion about escaping, where the cop car crashes and he’s rescued and cheered on by a crowd of adoring clowns? Could go either way.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:20
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Blast Fantasto posted:Yeah Gary Glitter is going to die in prison Oh of course, but he's still making money off the song. Even if that just results in him being the spicy ramen king of the cell block, that still sucks.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:21
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At this point I don’t know why people don’t instead just use one of the dozens of songs that ripped off the Gary Glitter drum sound because that’s all anyone cares about with that song
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Oct 6, 2019 21:25
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If you're worried about Glitter making money off Rock n Roll part 2 royalty fees then I really hope you haven't been to a baseball game in the last 30 years
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Joker: Actually, it's about ethics in Gary Glitter royalties
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Oct 6, 2019 21:36
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I’m glad they featured Jackson C Frank in the movie. I was kinda shocked when I first heard his music.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:42
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I'm a touch confused, everyones calling this film out as violent and horrific etc. but 8 people die in the whole film. Thats pretty low by modern action ish movie standards.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:44
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Sonderval posted:I'm a touch confused, everyones calling this film out as violent and horrific etc. but 8 people die in the whole film. Thats pretty low by modern action ish movie standards. The violence in itself is quite graphic, though.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:45
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Only one specific kill comes to mind, the rest is just basic gun bang dead.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:47
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Sonderval posted:I'm a touch confused, everyones calling this film out as violent and horrific etc. but 8 people die in the whole film. Thats pretty low by modern action ish movie standards. It's who the violence is against, "Nice guys" from Wall Street, police, a billionaire, his mother, a work bully. it's tragic violence rather than statistical violence ala Marvel
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:If you're worried about Glitter making money off Rock n Roll part 2 royalty fees then I really hope you haven't been to a baseball game in the last 30 years Baseball is the sport I would least associate that song with and it’s really fallen out of favor for football/basketball/hockey to the point that the NFL requests teams not to play it anymore. I haven’t heard it personally heard it played at a game in forever.
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Oct 6, 2019 22:03
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My reflected-on take is that there's not enough connective tissue to bind the good parts together to make this a great movie but I hope all lovely corporate IP movies are generally made as well as this.
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BigglesSWE posted:The violence in itself is quite graphic, though. I've seen Midsommar and 3 From Hell, both of which came out this year (and both actually try to make you feel empathy for psychologically hosed up people). They make this version of Joker look like Cesar Romero by comparison. There are some violent things in this, sure, but to label this movie "dangerous" is hilariously over-exaggerated.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:If you're worried about Glitter making money off Rock n Roll part 2 royalty fees then I really hope you haven't been to a baseball game in the last 30 years If people are worried about pedophiles making money then I've got some bad news about hollywood
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It's easy to dismiss this as a "dumb person's idea of a smart movie" but I don't think that's really fair. Everything it does, it does competently, if not exactly original or inspired. The cinematography is good. The visual style and aesthetics are great, even if they're borrowed or an homage to Taxi Driver. Phoenix is excellent and extremely creepy and believable as the Joker. There's more than a handful of extremely effective and awesome scenes. It's also great to have a comic book film that gives the scenes room to breathe, has no dumb undermining quips, and is dark and disturbing without feeling forced grimdark, or whatever. The only other film I've seen that I feel similarly toward would be Logan. "It has nothing to say!" Uh, it very clearly is about the dangers of letting a mentally ill person go unchecked or have inadequate access to mental health care, for starters. But it's not trying to be smart, or profound. It's just a character study/origin story, and a decent one.
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Joker the Movie: I'm not political! I don't believe in anything!
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Oct 6, 2019 23:35
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So I saw this and I'm really disappointed. I have an interest in "angry white guy with a gun" movies despite (or maybe because of) how utterly repulsive I find that mindset in the real world and this was definitely one of the weaker ones. Like strip aside all the weird hype and outrage and pretenses of elevating comic book movies and this is just a much weaker movie than something like Four Brothers (2005) or Death Sentence (2007) or The Brave One (2007). Same with the psychological character study aspect, with the dramatic actor weight loss and illusory single mom subplot it reminded me of The Machinist of all things and was in itself just a more on the nose version of other better psychological horror pictures. Felix Biederman's review of the movie is probably the best thing to come out of it because watching the movie after reading the director's comments I walked away feeling at odds with how Todd Phillips claims that the movie was made as a response to the fact that woke/cancel culture is the reason he can't do comedies anymore yet at the same time the movie harps heavily on the argument that, like, why can't people just be nice to each other maaan? There's a major cognitive dissonance in how Americans feel isolated and threatened yet at the same time are constantly lashing out at the idea of decorum and politeness, that the people who complain the loudest about safe spaces and pronouns are also the ones who decry how people are so rude and impersonal now, and the movie always feels like it's just on the verge of broaching that but never commits and instead veers into affected misanthropic nihilism ("I'm not political! I don't believe in anything!"). Evil clown kills man and laughs, the end, no moral. We live in a society, bottom text.
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I think the fact IGN have this movie a perfect score is the biggest evidence that it really is a “dumb person’s idea of a smart movie.” The only character I felt any type of empathy towards was the British clown guy.
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Despite the Joker saying he's not political, the film is nakedly, obviously political. And it's pretty goddamn socialist to boot.
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T3hRen3gade posted:I've seen Midsommar and 3 From Hell, both of which came out this year (and both actually try to make you feel empathy for psychologically hosed up people). They make this version of Joker look like Cesar Romero by comparison. There are some violent things in this, sure, but to label this movie "dangerous" is hilariously over-exaggerated. The difference is Midsommar and 3 From Hell aren't popular or mainstream enough. And if there's an idea of trying to find movies that are more violent or dangerous then Joker it would be pointless.
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Sleeveless posted:Felix Biederman's review of the movie is probably the best thing to come out of it because watching the movie after reading the director's comments I walked away feeling at odds with how Todd Phillips claims that the movie was made as a response to the fact that woke/cancel culture is the reason he can't do comedies anymore yet at the same time the movie harps heavily on the argument that, like, why can't people just be nice to each other maaan? Lmao. Why is this like six thousand words.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Lmao. Why is this like six thousand words. I love the chapos, but they should really use some of that patreon money to hire someone to hit them with a length of rubber tube every time they start talking about movies, its embarrassing
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Dumb guy's idea of a dumb guy's idea of a smart movie.
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Ending Discussion I figured i with the white hair stubble and his sideburns slightly grayed it was in the future and the joke she wouldn't understand is that he helped to create the Batman (that sudden flashback of that scene) who threw him in Arkham. I even though it was the same woman he talked to earlier in the movie but older. Also I would have allowed it if he was talking to Harley instead at the end.
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I think the movie would've been better without Joker's spiel on the talk show and after the initial banter he should've gone for the suicide routine with the gun and either had an empty chamber or a fakeout, and then he blows the host's brains out
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Well it was decent but I think all the hype hurt it, since it's more interesting as a comic book movie that tries really hard than as the actual capital 'F' Film people have been discussing it as. I find there is more to think about in terms of what it offers to comic book movies than what it offers in commentary on society or humanity etc. Like it is interesting to see things from the villain's perspective because they are typically depicted as supernaturally confident and executing some ingenious plan, where as this Joker would probably be perceived that way when the dust settles, but is actually just bumbling through. His laughter would be misinterpreted as celebratory and confident, and things like his train escape would be spun as him luring the police into the crowd to be taken out by his hidden gang members. Whereas if I interpret it as a serious character study, reflecting what could be a real person in a real world, it just doesn't have all that much to say. I wish Joker's talk show speech was a little more coherent. His bit about people being impolite and unkind sounds like a digression, a sort of centrist talking point. But with his bit about how people would walk over him but they care about his victims because Wayne talked about them, combined with his bit about comedy being subjective and Murray only having him on to be laughed at, it could have come out as a clearer statement about societies winners defining everyone's values and looking at the losers only with contempt and cruelty.
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Also, my take on an ending: A much older Arthur is shown dressed in hospital gown, slumped over in a wheelchair. He is clearly heavily sedated, drooling and seemingly comatose, parked in the corner of some mental ward common area. A television is playing a modern current affairs type program. The host announces that in light of the Gotham Joker's recent bank robbery and the West Coast Joker's train station attack they have on a psychiatrist specialising in the 'Joker phenomenon'. The guest talks about how the phenomenon is rooted in a protest movement from the 70s that turned clowns into a symbol of anarchic rebellion. The host asks for clarification: that there are lots of clowns but who is the Joker. Guest explains that the most charismatic or intelligent clowns tend to rise to the top as leaders and earn the title Joker. There have been so many that few remember all of them or where it started, with the chemically burned mob boss Joker and facial scared Joker that murdered Harvey Dent being considered the most memorable and successful. Arthur stirs and reacts to this, realising that even as the Joker he is a nobody. He launches into an uncontrollable and prolonged laughing fit, with the camera slowly zooming in to end on a close up of his face: twisted, shaking red faced and suffocating but still silently laughing.
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Scattered thoughts: Solid cinematography, nice set design. Very grimy feeling. Sound design was pretty good - going for Heat-like loudness on the gunshots was smart. The Glitter song was jarringly out of place and didn't work at all, but props for using a Jackson C. Frank song. The orchestral score sucked rear end, really clumsy "here is what you should be feeling now" cues. Joaquin Phoenix is loving amazing but man I am struggling to think of another movie that made its lead carry so much of the movie on their back. For a movie made by a guy that directed comedies and who is blatantly copying off of King of Comedy's homework, there's pretty much zero comedy here. The few "jokes" I can recall were just flat-out bad in a way that didn't seem intentional. The imaginary girlfriend subplot didn't add much and was edited pretty badly. The timeline with the Bruce Wayne stuff is pretty funny. Batman is gonna be out there beating the poo poo out a like 60-year old Joker I guess? My theater had a bag check policy *and* and armed guard in the lobby lol. Some poor bastard was coming back from the bathroom right before the gunshot in the apartment scene and had his back turned to the screen and looked like he was about to have a heart attack. A relaxing day at the cinema in the good ol' US of A. Overall, largely mediocre movie with a killer lead performance that is honestly worth the price of admission on its own. Kind of a shame this didn't land in the hands of someone other than the guy who directed The Hangover but what can you do.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:For a movie made by a guy that directed comedies and who is blatantly copying off of King of Comedy's homework, there's pretty much zero comedy here. The few "jokes" I can recall were just flat-out bad in a way that didn't seem intentional. What jokes are you talking about?
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Necrothatcher posted:What jokes are you talking about? The multiple "midget" jokes are pretty much the only ones aside from Arthur's intentionally bad ones. They got chuckles from my audience but it just seemed like crappy punching-down humor. Then there was the sliding door bit, which was just tonally bizarre.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:The multiple "midget" jokes are pretty much the only ones aside from Arthur's intentionally bad ones. They got chuckles from my audience but it just seemed like crappy punching-down humor. Top tier phrasing.
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I went into this not really expecting anything and came out loving it.
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Sleeveless posted:Felix Biederman's review of the movie is probably the best thing to come out of it because watching the movie after reading the director's comments I walked away feeling at odds with how Todd Phillips claims that the movie was made as a response to the fact that woke/cancel culture is the reason he can't do comedies anymore yet at the same time the movie harps heavily on the argument that, like, why can't people just be nice to each other maaan? There's a major cognitive dissonance in how Americans feel isolated and threatened yet at the same time are constantly lashing out at the idea of decorum and politeness, that the people who complain the loudest about safe spaces and pronouns are also the ones who decry how people are so rude and impersonal now, and the movie always feels like it's just on the verge of broaching that but never commits and instead veers into affected misanthropic nihilism ("I'm not political! I don't believe in anything!"). Evil clown kills man and laughs, the end, no moral. We live in a society, bottom text. quote:Joker had the opportunity to be a really good, interesting movie. I firmly believe the biggest unnoticed problem in our culture right now is loneliness, and this could have been a seminal look at our isolated time. I think this got to be among the most stupid things said by Felix. Lonely men rejected by society, truly an undiscovered subject in literature and movies. But yeah, that whole speech is nonsensical Banksy crap, when the movie reaches up, it reveals a depth of a FB page meme - which would still be enough for a lot of people that gonna love it. Grizzled Patriarch posted:For a movie made by a guy that directed comedies and who is blatantly copying off of King of Comedy's homework, there's pretty much zero comedy here. The few "jokes" I can recall were just flat-out bad in a way that didn't seem intentional. Yeah, Craig Mazin, the writer on Hangover movies, was way more successful by infusing horrific story with comedic beats in Chernobyl this year. warez posted:the “masses uniting under the clown” thing developed so quickly and felt really improbable. it felt like it belonged in a more typical superhero movie that offered more suspension of disbelief instead of in this gritty character study Movie set in 1981 makes "going viral" a centre of its story for some reason. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 12:03
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I don't know how to feel about this film, everything was great except the story which was just meh. Leaving the theatre, 1 person loved it, and 3 immediately jumped on the SCHOOL SHOOTER WET DREAM train which I don't really understand, except for the excuses in the chat show scene I guess. The movie should have ended after the 'You wouldn't get it' line. Partly to hammer home now he's changed, not interested in making other people laugh, and also because I loving hate scenes where people talk lyrics over the music. It sucked in guardians 2 and it sucks here
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This movie is kinda dangerous. I think it kinda sends the wrong message with what to do if you are feeling like society has forgotten about you.
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fatherboxx posted:Movie set in 1981 makes "going viral" a centre of its story for some reason. Cultural phenomenons existed in 1981
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