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If you nitpick any Star Wars film you're going to be able to bitch about literally everything. I've pointed out repeatedly in this very thread that you could do it to the OT films big time but nobody will because they came first and thus are in some kind of protected echelon or some crap.
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Preston Waters posted:If you nitpick any Star Wars film you're going to be able to bitch about literally everything. it's because they're good movies
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Oct 6, 2019 22:54
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CharlestonJew posted:it's because they're good movies So was TLJ. it's just newer and for some reason everyone thinks they could make a better film (no you couldn't).
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Oct 7, 2019 00:11
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Preston Waters posted:So was TLJ. it's just newer and for some reason everyone thinks they could make a better film (no you couldn't). I couldn't make a better film than TLJ, but that doesn't make it a good film.
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Oct 7, 2019 02:53
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Preston Waters posted:If you nitpick any Star Wars film you're going to be able to bitch about literally everything. Summarize your bigtime OT nitpicks for us lol
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Oct 7, 2019 03:09
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Preston Waters posted:So was TLJ. it's just newer and for some reason everyone thinks they could make a better film (no you couldn't). no
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Oct 7, 2019 04:25
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is there some way we can swap jivjov for preston waters?
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Oct 7, 2019 04:45
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The idea of smashing into the enemy aircraft carrier at faster-than-light speed is immediately countered by the reality that there is no incredibly huge explosion. What actually happens is that chunks of each ship touched by The Radish are ‘pulled into hyperspace’ and, effectively, deleted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hM1tyEL0U&t=99s Pictured: Huge Explosion.
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Oct 7, 2019 06:03
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:is there some way we can swap jivjov for preston waters? I don't even know who that is. I don't think I care to know either 
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Oct 7, 2019 08:30
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Jivjov’s final star war post will probably be more entertaining than the movie it will be about
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Oct 7, 2019 08:49
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SolarFire2 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hM1tyEL0U&t=99s goddamn the shot of leia and poe looking bored with the two guys talking to each other and ignoring the big flash of light
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Oct 7, 2019 09:13
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:goddamn the shot of leia and poe looking bored with the two guys talking to each other and ignoring the big flash of light That's what happens when you motivate actors with storyboards and a spit-flecked FOOOSH sound.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:45
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Idk, I think that the hyperspace divine wind sequence was one of the few strong moments from TLJ and I think it's pointless to analyze it through the lense of extensive canon.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:04
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It had a strong effect on the audience when I saw it opening weekend which seems like enough to justify it.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:05
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There's a strong argument for handwaving the in-universe logistics of it because it's a beautiful shot, pretty powerful in the moment, and at least makes some sort of sense at first blush; I think it's more important that it gel thematically with the rest of the movie. That scene is pretty close to the bit where Rose stops Finn from making the same play. I haven't really heard a way to make the two work together other than "different people in the Resistance have different opinions of how the war should be fought," which is unsatisfying for good vs. evil space opera.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:19
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Boxman posted:There's a strong argument for handwaving the in-universe logistics of it because it's a beautiful shot, pretty powerful in the moment, and at least makes some sort of sense at first blush; I think it's more important that it gel thematically with the rest of the movie. That scene is pretty close to the bit where Rose stops Finn from making the same play. I haven't really heard a way to make the two work together other than "different people in the Resistance have different opinions of how the war should be fought," which is unsatisfying for good vs. evil space opera. To be fair, that seems to be a central theme of the movie. For me it was a pretty muddled theme. I'm still unsure of what I was supposed to take away from it to be honest.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:22
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Star Wars is def a space opera but a strong and stark good v evil dichotomy has not really been present in all the movies.
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Oct 7, 2019 13:25
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euphronius posted:Star Wars is def a space opera but a strong and stark good v evil dichotomy has not really been present in all the movies. the bad guys all dress like nazis, blow up planets, and are led by a cackling old man who shoots lightning at people
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Oct 7, 2019 14:58
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SolarFire2 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hM1tyEL0U&t=99s If the ship were simply smashing into the other ship at lightspeed, everyone should be extremely dead. There's absolutely no way Rey, Rose and FN could survive it. Leia and Poe would probably be dead too. The explosion in the film is, instead, relatively miniscule. Why? The reason is, first of all, that Holdo's impact isn't the precise cause of the explosion. That's to say the firey orange explosion you're talking about is not purely the release of kinetic energy. It occurs long after the impact, probably from a damaged fuel tank or something (doesn't really matter). Point is that Holdo doesn't just smack into the ship and explode. Because she's simultaneously "entering hyperspace", she travels through the ship - producing those blue-white streaks. This causes an impressive flash of light, but also significantly reduces the force of the impact. You can also see the individual ships exploding in sequence, which means that the hyperspace debris that shotguns out is traveling way slower than the speed of light. Short version: the phrase "hyperspace kamikaze" sounds neat, but the conceit of the made-up hyperspace physics is actually used to explain why the attack is less impressive than it would be in reality.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:10
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Boxman posted:There's a strong argument for handwaving the in-universe logistics of it because it's a beautiful shot, pretty powerful in the moment, and at least makes some sort of sense at first blush; I think it's more important that it gel thematically with the rest of the movie. That scene is pretty close to the bit where Rose stops Finn from making the same play. I haven't really heard a way to make the two work together other than "different people in the Resistance have different opinions of how the war should be fought," which is unsatisfying for good vs. evil space opera. It's impressively muddled because there's four, like, big sacrifice for a victory scenes in the movie. Rose's sister gets herself killed ensuring the bombing mission works, it doesn't really accomplish much but does buy some time. Holdo's hyperspace attack, which also ends up not really accomplishing much but again buys some time. Finn's attempted ramming of the death star laser, which Rose stops because the lesson learned was that they should focus on taking care of each other instead of destroying everyone they hate for a "big win." Makes sense, fits Rose's character because of what happened with her sister, cool. But then right after Luke sacrifices himself to buy them some time while Rey helps everyone escape. Going by the way the movie ends that causes The Legend of Luke Skywalker to spread across the galaxy and also inspire the Resistance to become the Rebellion. So the movie decrees that Luke's big sacrifice moment "counts" more because he's already a popular Star Wars character both in and out of the setting, which flies in the face of everything else the movie was getting at. Like they couldn't even do the most milqutoast Hollywood blockbuster "huh both ideologies combined lets them succeed" and leave it at that. What they were maybe getting at was that that was Luke's actual lesson to Rey, he's just a projection, his confronting the first order directly is bullshit and pointless. Rey could have attempted to help fight too but instead did the right thing and lifted some rocks so they could continue running away. Either way I don't mind much since that scene was rad for the moment where Ren realizes what's happening and Luke in general in it.
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Oct 7, 2019 15:19
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Also everything with Yoda and the ancients texts was bizarre.
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Oct 7, 2019 16:05
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Yoga is saying basically “Let go of the past”
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Oct 7, 2019 16:11
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It's like Yoda says "let go of the past", but Rey still has the Jedi texts? Did Yoda know that and he was just loving with Luke? Kylo Ren also says to let go of the past, but he's the bad guy? Do we agree with him too? It's just all so confusing
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Oct 7, 2019 16:33
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Remember the awesome power of the miniature Death Star laser, which... blew a hole in the blast door and did nothing else?
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Oct 7, 2019 16:46
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Yoda definitely knew the books weren't in there. He wasn't interested in them being destroyed or moving on from the past or whatever, he was just trying to engineer the situation to get luke to kill himself in order to fulfill his plans for rey. Yoda is almost as much of a sociopath as luke
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Oct 7, 2019 16:48
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euphronius posted:Yoga is saying basically “Let go of the past” We got a Luke Skywalker cover of "You're Welcome" but no Yoda cover for "Let It Go" Fandom, you continue to disappoint me
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Oct 7, 2019 17:12
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Vinylshadow posted:We got a Luke Skywalker cover of "You're Welcome" but no Yoda cover for "Let It Go" I will have to look up the first That seems good
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Oct 7, 2019 17:14
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euphronius posted:I will have to look up the first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pORNNBE4YVE
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I think the main reason why people don't like the kamikaze attack has very little to do with canon or logistics and more that it casts Holdo as a messianic figure who dies for Poe's sins.
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Oct 7, 2019 17:36
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Half the thead thinks Poe didn’t do anything wrong
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Oct 7, 2019 17:39
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Neither side was right and they really could've done a lot better in showing that Probably by turning Rose Tico into a First Order Spy so she's actually mildly relevant to the movie
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Oct 7, 2019 18:01
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euphronius posted:Star Wars is def a space opera but a strong and stark good v evil dichotomy has not really been present in all the movies. l-loving-mao
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Oct 7, 2019 18:03
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Neo Rasa posted:It's impressively muddled because there's four, like, big sacrifice for a victory scenes in the movie. Rose's sister gets herself killed ensuring the bombing mission works, it doesn't really accomplish much but does buy some time. Holdo's hyperspace attack, which also ends up not really accomplishing much but again buys some time. Finn's attempted ramming of the death star laser, which Rose stops because the lesson learned was that they should focus on taking care of each other instead of destroying everyone they hate for a "big win." Makes sense, fits Rose's character because of what happened with her sister, cool. Rian accidentally cut the scene where Luke explains has Space Cancer from years of going to Hyperspace; the Force Projection didn't actually he kill him he would have died at that exact moment anyway.
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Bogus Adventure posted:l-loving-mao The three prequels, rotj, tlj, rogue 1 So that is 6 of 10? Movies I didn’t see Solo so no idea
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Oct 7, 2019 19:38
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The most charitable reading I think is that the movie doesn't think what luke did was suicide so it's not prohibited by "The Rose Rule". This would also allow you to think yoda wasn't trying to goad luke into committing suicide. Maybe he wouldn't have died if his hologram wasn't shot so much, so it's on kylo in the end?
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Oct 7, 2019 19:40
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Even the Ewok Adventure movies make it pretty clear what Evil is.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:42
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Rose didn’t say “don’t kill yourselves” She said fight for people rather than against something
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Oct 7, 2019 19:42
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If it's supposed to be that, then I don't see what her issue with finn's suicide was besides maybe not thinking it was going to work
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Oct 7, 2019 19:46
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euphronius posted:Rose didn’t say “don’t kill yourselves” It was dumb Taking that moment away from Finn was cowardly, criminal and anti-revolutionary behavior.
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Alas but rian is a lib, to an unbearable extent
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