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So what's with this whole narrative I keep seeing in U.S News articles now about Romney and the apparent price that he paid for daring to criticize Trump. Like oh poo poo be loving careful those who would dare make a statement against the dear leader.....hey may @ tweet and poo poo on you. The Horror..........as if he might not just randomly bitch about anything or anyone on twitter depending on what Hannity tells him to think that day. Are we just at that point as a society where we take twitter drama and saving face on social media that seriously? Like I don't see the guy exactly losing any support back home in Utah where as far as I was aware they think Mitten is just the greatest. That's like a consistent narrative I'm hearing though, like Mitt Romney got bitch smacked by Trump on twitter as some sort of power move and it's really loving weird.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:20
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Unoriginal Name posted:America might want to sort out its concentration camp problem before attempting to become the moral arbiter of the world. admin that just let some ethnic cleansing happen in another country cant be criticized until its concentration camps close
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Oct 7, 2019 12:21
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Unoriginal Name posted:America might want to sort out its concentration camp problem before attempting to become the moral arbiter of the world. Why? It's never stopped us before.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:22
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Kale posted:So what's with this whole narrative I keep seeing in U.S News articles now about Romney and the apparent price that he paid for daring to criticize Trump. Like oh poo poo be loving careful those who would dare make a statement against the dear leader.....hey may @ tweet and poo poo on you. The Horror..........as if he might not just randomly bitch about anything or anyone on twitter depending on what Hannity tells him to think that day. Current thought seems to be it's testing the waters with the R at least risk.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:24
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah the problem with Syria is that it was suffering from a critical lack of US ordinance falling from the sky. Yeah literally hanging US allies who fought and died for our interests out to dry is absolutely a good thing we should be doing. Also this is going to massively piss off basically the entire us SOF community who spent a ton of time with our kurd allies fighting ISIS. They're absolutely going to take it really personally that everything they fought for and everyone they fought with is being completely thrown under a bus.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:24
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Kale posted:So what's with this whole narrative I keep seeing in U.S News articles now about Romney and the apparent price that he paid for daring to criticize Trump. Like oh poo poo be loving careful those who would dare make a statement against the dear leader.....hey may @ tweet and poo poo on you. The Horror..........as if he might not just randomly bitch about anything or anyone on twitter depending on what Hannity tells him to think that day. theoretically it might gently caress Romney if he didn't live in Utah. as other people have said/guessed, the GOP may be using mittens as a stalker horse against trump.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:24
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1glitch0 posted:"I murdered my hooker. I also bought flowers for my wife. Should I go to jail for buying flowers for my wife???" I love how "who cares about crimes? Look at the unemployment and the stock market!' is a viable defense that we are supposed to take seriously. "Sure I set fire to the cat but I also cleaned up my room and cut the grass!"
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Oct 7, 2019 12:26
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah literally hanging US allies who fought and died for our interests out to dry is absolutely a good thing we should be doing. yeah. this won't help trump in his news cycle woes(it was never intended to try to change poo poo narratively, it just came out at a bad time because lol) its just gonna make poo poo worse and piss off more people who he needs.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:27
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Dapper_Swindler posted:theoretically it might gently caress Romney if he didn't live in Utah. as other people have said/guessed, the GOP may be using mittens as a stalker horse against trump. Not sure about the chances of success since he already has a horse stalker as his vp.
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stalking horse: 1. a false pretext concealing someone's real intentions. "you have used me simply as a stalking horse for some of your more outrageous views" 2. a screen traditionally made in the shape of a horse behind which a hunter can stay concealed when stalking prey.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:28
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah literally hanging US allies who fought and died for our interests out to dry is absolutely a good thing we should be doing. https://twitter.com/OIRSpox/status/1180442385479868416?s=20
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Oct 7, 2019 12:33
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It's a huge gently caress you to the armed forces in general to say 'hey all this work you guys busted your rear end for was for nothing and the dudes you lived side by side with can get hosed.' Especially to the SOF community who were straight up living with SDF units and operating hand in hand through the single biggest deployment USSOF has been involved in post Iraq/Afghanistan I'm curious how it's going to shake out because even accounting for how stupid a lot of govt types are about basic 'how to run a functional foreign policy' this is another absolutely boneheaded move that is transparently stupid to anyone who knows even a three sentence summary of us involvement there.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:38
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IDK guys I think there's a difference between letting a NATO ally genocide the people we used as meatshields to destroy ISIS and the ethnic cleansing of the Uighurs by China that makes the two situations not really comparable
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Oct 7, 2019 12:38
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah literally hanging US allies who fought and died for our interests out to dry is absolutely a good thing we should be doing. its actually extremely leftist to leave leftist allies out to get genocided and being like all they do is kill each other what can you do
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Oct 7, 2019 12:41
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rscott posted:IDK guys I think there's a difference between letting a NATO ally genocide the people we used as meatshields to destroy ISIS and the ethnic cleansing of the Uighurs by China that makes the two situations not really comparable Ignoring the second half of this, the meatshields were the Iraqi PMUs and security forces, SDF were treated as equals and allies and were generally well regarded and respected by US forces. poo poo they were one of the few times the US has ever backed a regional military faction that didn't end up being a clown show. Operationally the US and the SDF pulled off some ridiculous stuff. Berke Negri posted:its actually extremely leftist to leave leftist allies out to get genocided and being like all they do is kill each other what can you do I just wish we could trade internet leftists for kurds in this scenario. It's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:42
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Have we come again to the realization that the Office of the US is used and abused by Industry and Evangelical Fruitcakes and that the military is just an extension to be used to further grift so people like Cheney can have Halliburton get billions, build oil pipelines and label them US interests while people like W can play Crusade killing brown people. Maybe that’s why Trump is upset cause he’s doing the same thing but isn’t getting praise. He also sucks at it.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:43
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Better invade China then I guess. That should go well. You are right. But when you are the only reason it does not happen because you are already there doesn't mean you go "Lol, not my problem" and toss your hands up. Especially if they're your loving allies. But you do you
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Oct 7, 2019 12:44
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Unoriginal Name posted:America might want to sort out its concentration camp problem before attempting to become the moral arbiter of the world. I've got great news for this mayonnaise decaf take - allowing a bunch of kurds be slaughtered and putting kids in concentration camps exist in moral alignment.
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Oct 7, 2019 12:45
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Ignoring the second half of this, the meatshields were the Iraqi PMUs and security forces, SDF were treated as equals and allies and were generally well regarded and respected by US forces. poo poo they were one of the few times the US has ever backed a regional military faction that didn't end up being a clown show. Operationally the US and the SDF pulled off some ridiculous stuff. our president who i hope we all agree is running concentration camps is handing over the lives of this extremely in danger population fighting for their lives to a country run by a dictator that wants to steamroll and kill all of them well at least we're out
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Good thing that say what u will about trump he won't start a war *Trump literally tells turkey 'go for it' about starting a new war in the middle east*Gatts posted:Have we come again to the realization that the Office of the US is used and abused by Industry and Evangelical Fruitcakes and that the military is just an extension to be used to further grift so people like Cheney can have Halliburton get billions, build oil pipelines and label them US interests while people like W can play Crusade killing brown people. This is like the US withdrawing before halliburton even had a chance to grift a trillion dollars out of the reconstruction. Yeah the US does stupid stuff, but normally it's at least making some lovely old white guy rich, this is just stupid stuff for the sake of stupid stuff
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this agreement still has us in syria, btw, unless im mistaken, we just moved to the other side of the board and said yeah do the bad things you want to do
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Oct 7, 2019 12:48
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Berke Negri posted:our president who i hope we all agree is running concentration camps is handing over the lives of this extremely in danger population fighting for their lives to a country run by a dictator that wants to steamroll and kill all of them And it's likely for personal gain. https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1181172643199889408
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Oct 7, 2019 12:50
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is this Syria situation?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181172459325800448 I believe this same attitude is what pissed off so many middle easterners in the first place
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Doctor Spaceman posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181172459325800448 There we go.. fully abandon US foreign policy and literally all of our allies in the region in an isolationist move to help out the Turks and Russians. This is actually what he should be impeached for, the absolute waste of US military and diplomatic advantages in the middle east.
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The US was in a legit strong position in syria where there was a ton of potential to negotiate, say, handovers of the vital oil facilities we were basing SOF out of in exchange for concessions and for once in the entire history of the US, were actually popular with ascendant groups on the ground and instead it all just got pissed away for literally nothing. It's one of the most stunningly total failures of foreign policy ever. Textbooks will probably be written on this. E: After ISIS was first pushed back the US and US supported allies controlled most of Syria's oil fields and were basing out of the major oil processing facilities and most of the significant international pipelines were crossing us/us allied controlled areas. As a position to negotiate from, it was exceptionally strong. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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trumps literally talking about the sacrifices of kurds in corporate cost/benefit terms whats it matter to me anymore and the anti-anti-trump left will still carry water how any impeachment stuff against him is just deep state coming after him for not pursuing wars enough
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is this Syria situation? For the Kurds? -666
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The US was in a legit strong position in syria where there was a ton of potential to negotiate, say, handovers of the vital oil facilities we were basing SOF out of in exchange for concessions and for once in the entire history of the US, were actually popular with ascendant groups on the ground and instead it all just got pissed away for literally nothing. Absolutely. I would rather him launch some cruise missiles at empty airbases than take this move. It's the dumbest thing possible and does nothing to help anyone 'figure the situation out' except in the  sense.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is this Syria situation? https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1181171727453364225?s=20 when these chucklefucks can't even defend it it's absurdly bad
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Kurds should have built a Trump Tower. The US hasn’t gone to war against a country that has built a Trump building.
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It wouldn't be a recreation of Watergate without the backdrop of the U.S abandoning it's would be allies in a region that was formally considered vitally strategic to a key foreign policy, but now apparently no longer. Though the withdrawal from Saigon was the result of years of deliberation and reversal of foreign policy as public opinion started to swing wildly against the Vietnam War and "containment" policy regarding communism. This just seems like another Trumpian Whim and I doubt that even after 2 decades of being involved in Middle Eastern military affairs that the average American is even familiar with the Kurds or Syria at all and probably thinks the mentions of Turkey is just referring to Thanksgiving coming up. I also fully count on the mainstream media to cover this whole story in the dumbest sound bite driven way possible somehow like it always does.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1181171727453364225?s=20 Yikes!
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Kale posted:It wouldn't be a recreation of Watergate without the backdrop of the U.S abandoning it's would be allies in a region that was formally considered vitally strategic to a key foreign policy, but now apparently no longer. Though the withdrawal from Saigon was the result of years of deliberation and reversal of foreign policy as public opinion started to swing wildly against the Vietnam War and "containment" policy regarding communism. This just seems like another Trumpian Whim and I doubt that even after 2 decades of being involved in Middle Eastern military affairs that the average American is even familiar with the Kurds or Syria at all and probably thinks the mentions of Turkey is just referring to Thanksgiving coming up. I also fully count on the mainstream media to cover this whole story in the dumbest sound bite driven way possible somehow like it always does. thank you, for this needless post
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trump hates socialism so much he's letting the turks destroy rojava. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1181159348543860736
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1181171727453364225?s=20 A lot of the long term push for support of the Kurds was that a Kurdish state would've been in an extremely favorable location wrt US geopolitical concerns, would've been extremely favorably disposed to the US, would've already had US military bases and infrastructure in place as well as a legacy of cooperation with US forces and, ultimately, would serve a similar role as an ally as Israel does, but without most of the baggage. Plus the Kurds are one of the most sympathetic groups in the entire region who share a ton of traditionally cosmopolitan euro-american values. Also depending on how things shaked out, a kurdistan could've been sitting on some very large oil reserves and would've been crossed by a number of important ME-Europe oil pipelines. There was a very real potential for essentially a generational foreign policy success and it was 80% complete when Trump took office, too.
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