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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Yeah, it goes. One third of the way through now. Parts of it feel a little abrupt but I prefer the pacing to some of the slower books, like 5. I really want the next book now.
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Book was good. Pacing feels a little fast and rough in the first third-ish, but having pre-read chapters 1-2 and switched to an audiobook at around 40%... yeah. Things level out at around then, maintaining the fast clip straight through to the end. A lot of things didn't work out how I expected and there were lots of  moments. No regrets buying it.
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Xtanstic posted:Yay new Verus. Time to reup my Audible membership. Audiobook isn't out until 10/10
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Sep 25, 2019 04:39
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tithin posted:Audiobook isn't out until 10/10 I'm confused... I see it just fine? https://www.audible.ca/pd/Fallen-Au...QCACQ5DGM3JTJ7Z
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Xtanstic posted:I'm confused... I see it just fine? https://www.audible.ca/pd/Fallen-Au...QCACQ5DGM3JTJ7Z I'm using Audible US and it's showing as a preorder due 10/10 
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Sep 25, 2019 04:48
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i only get the book in two weeks because of the antipodes and I'm Not Happy! pretty please use spoilers for it 
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tithin posted:I'm using Audible US and it's showing as a preorder due 10/10 That's really bizarre. I'm Audible US and I just spent my credit on it. I'm listening to it now.
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tithin posted:I'm using Audible US and it's showing as a preorder due 10/10 The Peter Grant books used to drop in the UK before NA but it's weird that the Verus would drop in Canada 2 weeks before the US release?
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tithin posted:I'm using Audible US and it's showing as a preorder due 10/10 It looks like there are 2 versions on Audible, the one with that cover is from the UK. UK - https://www.audible.com/pd/Fallen-Audiobook/0356511138 US - https://www.audible.com/pd/Fallen-Audiobook/197733783X
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Nullset posted:It looks like there are 2 versions on Audible, the one with that cover is from the UK. Title Not For Sale In This Country/Region We're sorry, Audible is not authorized to sell this title in your country/region. Please consider another book. Copyright laws strike again.
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Verus book was good. It almost felt like a Schaefer book with the pacing, wtf moments, and twists. Interested to see where the last two books go because it sounds like they will be Alex and Anne’s personal versions of Kill Bill.
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I kinda wish it had had more filler. It's just BAM BAM BAM poo poo GOING DOWN for fifteen chapters then it's done. I want some lulls! Some background! Some worldbuilding! I waited a year! It felt more like a movie than a novel. Two hours of KABLAM and then we wait a year for the next one >_<
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I would guess that this book and the last book were originally outlined as a single story and the got split due to length. Jacka’s original outline was 10 books. I think the last few just ended up being more complex and longer than planned. Everything in this book is way more dependent on the last book than any other books and there is very little recap like there was in past books. I don’t know what a satisfying conclusion to the series looks like either at this point. Richard dead? The Light Council dissolved/reformed? Levistus dead? Anne and Alex living happily ever after? I just have no concept for what a conclusion would look like for this series.
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Lawlicaust posted:I would guess that this book and the last book were originally outlined as a single story and the got split due to length. Jacka’s original outline was 10 books. I think the last few just ended up being more complex and longer than planned. Everything in this book is way more dependent on the last book than any other books and there is very little recap like there was in past books. my satisfying conclusion: Verus and Anne get a happily ever after. Anne's personality unifies. Verus gets a normal hand again. Richard and the Light Council wipe each other out. Caldera ends up in charge of Magical Britain, under new Accords that also protect adepts and normals. I'm not sure who runs the magic shop, or what happens to Luna and Vari. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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My guess: Not sure how Caldera will work out, but there's only two options. Either something happens and she grows as a character, evolves- or Verus kills her. Likely I see the both of them squaring off and getting interrupted by Vihaela or The Silence and doing an impromptu team-up, a rehash of a previous fight. She doesn't trust him, he doesn't trust her, but it's the best they can hope for. A mutual, wary respect. If she survives, she advances in the Keepers as result- having taken down someone important enough that she finally gets The Nod, and a promotion. Alternatively, she gets a posthumous promotion. Rain and Sonder get promoted to the Council. With hardliners like Sarque and Levistus out, and a lot of battle mages dead on both sides, Mage power in Britain wanes. Concessions are made to the government and the adepts; magical ID proposal finally gains traction. Light and Dark societies become more integrated ( paralleling what happens with Alex and Anne ). Luna rises to a prominent position; possibly head of some adept political body, straddling the line between mages and adepts. Vari- don't know. Wouldn't be surprised if he died fighting Sagash or Jagadev. More likely, I think he'll be presented with the chance to go for a kill or walk away- and he'll go for the later, since his whole arc has been about tempering his hot personality. Growing up. And whoever he walks away from will do the villain thing of taking a dying strike instead of saving themselves, and die for it. Rachel and Cinder rise in the ashes of the post-Richard Dark society. Cinder's relationship with Sonder matters. Morden ???. I can't see him dying but dunno. Richard ???. I still think he's playing a great game to orchestrate the political changes with Morden. Alex and Anne 'die'; Alex takes Anne into Elsewhere, vanishing into another world, or changing their external identities. Both survive, scarred, and very different, no longer who they were, no longer able to contact anyone they knew- but, if not happy, then content with each other, living in New Zealand or something. Perhaps both end up having to give up their magic in order to accomplish it. Book ends with Alex thinking something like, "For the first time in years I had no idea what was going to happen next- and it didn't scare me."
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I liked it, but I agree that it was very quick and could have benefited from being a little less on rails. Still a good series though and I definitely didn't expect half the book to be people dying and Arachne leaving. Now the wait for Peace Talks...
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Just finished Small Favor and started Turn Coat on my audiobook reread. I’ve never listened to the audiobooks before but I’m already dreading getting to the book without Marsters. There’s some things I didn’t really catch when reading through the first time that I definitely noticed this time around. Like the fact that Harry is an idiot. Just be straight with Michael you fool.
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Daric posted:Just finished Small Favor and started Turn Coat on my audiobook reread. I’ve never listened to the audiobooks before but I’m already dreading getting to the book without Marsters. It was re-recorded with Marsters.
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Daric posted:Just finished Small Favor and started Turn Coat on my audiobook reread. I’ve never listened to the audiobooks before but I’m already dreading getting to the book without Marsters. Ghost Story was redone by Marsters, but you'll probably have to go digging for it.
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Daric posted:Just finished Small Favor and started Turn Coat on my audiobook reread. I’ve never listened to the audiobooks before but I’m already dreading getting to the book without Marsters. Ain't no such thing. While Marsters had a schedule conflict and didn't originally read Ghost Story, it caused such a kerfluffle that he went back and recorded this version: https://www.audible.com/pd/Ghost-Story-Audiobook/
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Daric posted:Just finished Small Favor and started Turn Coat on my audiobook reread. I’ve never listened to the audiobooks before but I’m already dreading getting to the book without Marsters. Has Harry still not learned to just be straight with people? That's one of the things I was complaining about way back in the first book.
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So I've been reading a bunch of UF lately and while I could offer recs and such I instead need to explode in rage and horror at the Mercy Thompson series It's the one with the were-coyote and it's one of the most popular ones in the genre and I enjoyed book 1 despite the horror of a werewolf trying to marry a sixteen year old to use her as a brood mare so I'm reading book 2 and - apparently unmated female werewolves belong to the alpha, which means they get raped - but it's "okay" because the "wolf instincts" take over and make it okay - a child werewolf is not exempt from this - there are only 19 alpha werewolves in the entire USA who can be trusted with a girl werewolf without raping or abusing her out of like a hundred my UF friends are trying to tell me to chill, it's okay because they're protecting this one and child werewolves are super rare but this detail is just now there in the world-building. Both details. All details. This universe is full of rape. The author put it there.
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Halfway through the last Alex Verus and holy bejesus the pacing of this book is something. Also uhhhh the whole domestic violence scene what the gently caress.
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StrixNebulosa posted:So I've been reading a bunch of UF lately and while I could offer recs and such I instead need to explode in rage and horror at the Mercy Thompson series Don't worry, it gets WAY worse.
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-Fish- posted:Don't worry, it gets WAY worse. If this were a horror series I'd understand why it's so popular, but it's UF! Why is it so popular?? 
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StrixNebulosa posted:If this were a horror series I'd understand why it's so popular, but it's UF! Why is it so popular?? Sex fantasies can get pretty nasty. There was a book published in the 1970s that was a collection of sex fantasies shared by Holocaust survivors, and hoo boy... In other words, it's popular cos people can get to read/imagine things they'd never do in the real world. Also kinda why pirates and other criminals have such popular appeal.
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Saros posted:Halfway through the last Alex Verus and holy bejesus the pacing of this book is something. Also uhhhh the whole domestic violence scene what the gently caress. That was definitely a wtf moment. It was also the scene that made me start to see a lot of the parallels with the Wheel of Time series and I felt stupid for not seeing all the references or similarities between the two series.
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Uh, romance novels have always had the heroine being taken and ravished by a man who she then falls in love with being a big thing. Lots of normal chicks dig this stuff.Saros posted:Halfway through the last Alex Verus and holy bejesus the pacing of this book is something. Also uhhhh the whole domestic violence scene what the gently caress. Very strange that the series that had the protagonist arrange the deaths of half a dozen dumb violent teenagers and psychologically manipulate Anne (before the Crystal duel) and Caldera (before the truck escape) by saying horribly hurtful things would feature the for real bad guys mindcontrolling him to do some slightly worse stuff as a way to get what they want. The only thing wtf about it was whether it was believable that Anne wouldn't immediately figure out it wasn't really him. But the words, if not the actions, match up with what he said to her in Veiled to get her to fight. Apparatchik Magnet fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Apparatchik Magnet posted:Uh, romance novels have always had the heroine being taken and ravished by a man who she then falls in love with being a big thing. Lots of normal chicks dig this stuff. As a chick: I prefer consent. Kate Daniels was better about this, she got ravished by her big sexy lion man only after she agreed to it and it was awesome. Even Nalini Singh, who writes the most amazingly garbage PNRs, will typically portray consent and her novels are better for it. (She'll then give me some steaming hot sexist bullshit but I keep coming back because hot vampire angels and their stupid stupid plots are compelling) Anyways my favorite UF series right now is the Cast in Shadow series by Michelle Sagara, as I'm up to book 4 and there's still no romance, only murders and weird magic and Kaylin, the world's least competent cop. 
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StrixNebulosa posted:As a chick: I prefer consent. Kate Daniels was better about this, she got ravished by her big sexy lion man only after she agreed to it and it was awesome. Even Nalini Singh, who writes the most amazingly garbage PNRs, will typically portray consent and her novels are better for it. (She'll then give me some steaming hot sexist bullshit but I keep coming back because hot vampire angels and their stupid stupid plots are compelling) I.. freaking hate Kate Daniel's sexy lion protagonist. The whole "I'm a cat, so I'm going to sneak into your house and eat your food and watch you sleep" made me dislike him.
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Exmond posted:I.. freaking hate Kate Daniel's sexy lion protagonist. The whole "I'm a cat, so I'm going to sneak into your house and eat your food and watch you sleep" made me dislike him. Did he poop in her house plants? Mass Effect joke
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StrixNebulosa posted:Anyways my favorite UF series right now is the Cast in Shadow series by Michelle Sagara, as I'm up to book 4 and there's still no romance, only murders and weird magic and Kaylin, the world's least competent cop. Lack of romance helps, as does the fact the uniquely gifted chosen heroine with mysterious superpowers is actually not the sharpest knife in the drawer which goes a long way in making her likable. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Exmond posted:I.. freaking hate Kate Daniel's sexy lion protagonist. The whole "I'm a cat, so I'm going to sneak into your house and eat your food and watch you sleep" made me dislike him. Completely understandable. Kate being freaked out about that helped me get over that, and he proved himself to be a cool dude, and not entirely a creeper. anilEhilated posted:I've picked that one up after your recommendation in the last thread (after a fair bit of skepticism obtained by looking at covers) and it's... actually really fun. My one dig is that you keep getting hit by made-up words with very little context that would let you infer the meaning (saying that as a fan of Malazan) but it's a nice, comfy read. Well, as comfy as reading about child murders gets. Oh gosh, awesome! I've recently fallen in love with Michelle Sagara/West's writing and I'm so glad I can share that with someone. 
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Oh oh, the other UF I'm reading at the mo is Working for the Devil by Lilith Saintcrow and it's delightfully 90s punk nonsense. She gets attacked on a subway by street punks! America is racist against psychic people and even used them as slaves (I think)! The devil is real, but god doesn't seem to exist? She prays to Anubis instead (good choice) and it's all schlocky and fun.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Oh oh, the other UF I'm reading at the mo is Working for the Devil by Lilith Saintcrow and it's delightfully 90s punk nonsense. She gets attacked on a subway by street punks! America is racist against psychic people and even used them as slaves (I think)! The devil is real, but god doesn't seem to exist? She prays to Anubis instead (good choice) and it's all schlocky and fun. Back to the Mercy series for a bit. The part you hate? Part of the series is the use of this particular pack to be the role model for systemic changes going forward from hidebound systems currently in place. Female wolves have status based solely on their mate's status...until the pack at the center of the story changes that. Being upset that the initial status quo is bad is one of the points. The companion series Alpha/Omega explores the same changing dynamic (though the relatively rare sex bits are cringey for other reasons). So, the comment that it gets much worse? Grossly misleading, if not explicitly incorrect.
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torgeaux posted:Back to the Mercy series for a bit. The part you hate? Part of the series is the use of this particular pack to be the role model for systemic changes going forward from hidebound systems currently in place. Female wolves have status based solely on their mate's status...until the pack at the center of the story changes that. Being upset that the initial status quo is bad is one of the points. The companion series Alpha/Omega explores the same changing dynamic (though the relatively rare sex bits are cringey for other reasons). Interesting, interesting. I've sat and thought about this for a while and I'm gonna read books 1-3 of Mercy, half because I own them and half because they are compelling horror stories. The vampires in book 1 were terrifying and the opening of book 2 with the demon was worse, and I respect an author who can do that to me. With luck we'll start seeing change soon.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Completely understandable. Kate being freaked out about that helped me get over that, and he proved himself to be a cool dude, and not entirely a creeper. She’s my favorite epic fantasy author. I’d like her cast stuff more without wolfboy.
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Artonos posted:That was definitely a wtf moment. It was also the scene that made me start to see a lot of the parallels with the Wheel of Time series and I felt stupid for not seeing all the references or similarities between the two series. Elaborate? The only direct connection I saw was when Luna called herself Zarine briefly, but a lot of mage names are references (barrayar, etc.)
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