Josef bugman posted:

Whilst true I would say that Honest Burgers trumps both. With the exception of the milkshakes at GBK.

Pound_Coin posted:

If you're in london for around the same price you can go to a hache which would be the best option imo

E: 68 is a disappointingly close snipe to the funny sex number

Pound_Coin posted:

E: 68 is a disappointingly close snipe to the funny sex number

xtothez posted:

My Yorkshire wife still refuses My Whippy ice cream because of that. Also because it's shite.

OwlFancier posted:

I think fundamentally a big leap you have to take to really get good leftist politics is that you can, and should, say "actually no, why doesn't society work for me instead?"

Cos I think it's really the only ideology that says that, liberals take the status quo as immutable save for fiddling with the knobs and we just have to get along with it, with varying degrees of frowny face emoticons attached. The far right usually advocates for something akin to loving ego death and complete subsumation into a society, while the left varies between society should serve people to society and people should have a mutual relationship.

Nicholas Monsarrat posted:

What will it be like after the war? It is still felt to be mostly guesswork. Perhaps things will be much the same, possibly a little better; there is sure to be unemployment and uncertainty still, but the readiness with which enourmous grants for war expenditure are authorized gives some promise that money may be found (or rather, credit furnished) for peace-time schemes to relieve this sort of distress. There will be more education available - "more of an equal chance for everybody." I've not talked with anyone professing fear of the future; equally one does not hear of any active determination to make things better; there is simple belief that they will be so, and that we have learned from war economics enough to revitalize the peace.

It seems to be accepted that money will still be the mainspring of effort and the measure of success. When I brought back from home some of my son's christening cake for distribution to the Petty Officer's mess, one of them asked me: "What do you reckon he'll be when he grows up?" I said I hoped he'd be something like a surgeon or an architect or a muscian; to which the reply was, "Plenty of money in all of them, if you get to the top." I said I also hoped that he would not feel that 'plenty of money' was the answer to everything, and that he would contrive to lead a full and happy life without it. This simply did not register; nor the idea (which I probably made to sound priggish and ineffective) that my son might be content to put things into the world instead of taking them out. This PO (neither an ambitious or a selfish man) did not visualize a world in which this would be possible without a complete sacrifice of comfort and the probable starvation of whoever practised it.

There remains this pointer towards the future, which has cropped up so often that is cannot be dismissed as worthless. The heroism and endurance of the Russians frequently provoke the remark; "They must have something really worth fighting for," and the idea, current before the war, that they were the slaves of a soulless and hated State is now dismissed as bunk. "It (Communism) wouldn't do for us, but something of the same sort might, if we could get it without a mess-up," is another remark indicating the kind of impression which the Russians' resistance and readiness to die for their country and way of life, has made."

Nicholas Monsarrat posted:

I abhore war-time strikes...but, by God, you can understand how strikes come about! The dictum "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," covers them exactly, and it is idle to look beyond that. Many of these men who strike now were treated like dirt for years before the war; almost literally like dirt- they were tipped and shovelled out of the way and on to a sort of slag-heap of unemployed and unemployables. They didn't learn love of country from that...

Now they have power, almost paramount power, and they use it to square up the account. It isn't patriotism, certainly (the system which pauperized them wasn't patriotism either); it is not in the end even common sense; but it is assuredly human nature. The argument seems, to them, crystal clear; why should they listen to appeals to their better feelings now, when they wore their hearts sick making those appeals - futile and neglected ones - in the lean and seedy years between the wars?

Why indeed should they have better feelings? They are working at the same jobs as in peace-time, jobs which present no challenge to their courage, no real incentive to selfless endurance; naturally they fall back on peace-time tactics whenever a chance of improvement comes their way.

Are we going to do better this time? Are we going to improve on that sort of world, where competing forces, individual and national, snap and snarl at each other like so many hyenas, enforcing a cut-throat competition in which the real loser is the common man; where human values are disdained; where the weakest goes to the wall - and even there is charged a luxury price for standing-room? There are signs of hope, I know, but there are other signs too; indeed, one current pointer indicates that we are not going to improve at all, except to make the competition fiercer and the fate of the losers more permanently miserable.

That pointer is, shortly, that there are still people, of consequence (or at least of financial standing) whom the war has not affected at all, except that it has served to enrich them at a prodigious rate. They are not contributing to the national effort; they are playing a lone hand, with some very familiar cards in it. After the war, clearly, these people expect Britain to pick up exactly where she left off, and the fact that this means the dying and futile 1930s again, with their masses of victims, doesn't seem to have penetrated at all, except as a clarion call to plunder.

Is this the sort of world we are coming back to? Is this the noble future? We might as well chuck it in here and now if it is.

We might as well chuck it in because it means that all the jokes we make in the wardroom about life after the war - about match-selling, about hawking trays of carbon-paper and india-rubbers, about buying chicken-farms and selling vacuum cleaners - all those grime fancies, products of a sense of insecurity, aren't going to be jokes at all. They are going to come true; there will be millions of unemployed, medals pawned, Welsh miners in the gutters of London; there will be barrel-organs again, with men as the flea-bitten monkeys in attendance.

Unless we improve on that grisly process, we can all forecast its exact course and its gross and pitiful details. A blue-print of misery exists already - the one we used last time. Some people are acting as if we are going to use it again; as if, indeed, there was no other sort to be had, and no real need for a different one either.

There is a different one; there must be; and of course we won't chuck in because we are hopeful - and, it may be said, determined. Perhaps only some of us, perhaps only a few, but enough for the spark - for such ideas spread easily, backed by the stimulus to co-operation which war furnishes, and the plain success of comradeship which it demonstrates.

We are going to improve on last time, because we clearly have the collective will, spread through all the Forces - the young men. An army does not fight the breadth of Africa and then allow itself to be sold down the river when it gets home; sailors develop qualities of determination which are useful in any sphere; the "few to whom the many owe so much" can easily decide to collect their debt.

It need not demand money as the mainspring, this new world, but it will certainly require generosity and understanding, and continued service, too. It will need, most important of all, a social conscience working continuously, all through the social scale. With a few blind spots, the war has produced evidence of all these things, in abundance. If we can carry them over to peace-time, we have high hopes of the future.

Josef bugman posted:

Whilst true I would say that Honest Burgers trumps both. With the exception of the milkshakes at GBK.

CyberPingu posted:

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

That's a 99

Spangly A posted:

yeah you're a lunatic for pretending that this isnt how literally everyone has behaved for a century

the only difference is that the west thought theyd won and have begun viewing basic competence as conspiracy

Josef bugman posted:

Whilst true I would say that Honest Burgers trumps both. With the exception of the milkshakes at GBK.

CGI Stardust posted:

Ah yeah, forgot about the anti-EU left and Lexit people, good catch! Don't know how big a percentage they were, I don't really remember them being present at all in The Discourse, except maybe one of the unions and Morning Star

kecske posted:

is honest burger the place where the fries are crusted in rosemary salt because they are fantastic

BalloonFish posted:

a pacifist who's pacifism didn't extent to 'not killing Nazis'

Jose posted:

just casually threatening to destroy a nato member on twitter. probably good news for the kurds though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118

Guavanaut posted:

These are good quotes, but this bit reminded me of an Argentinian pacifist in the late 19th century whose name I can't recall (Pochoclo?)

Jose posted:

just casually threatening to destroy a nato member on twitter. probably good news for the kurds though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118

Jose posted:

just casually threatening to destroy a nato member on twitter. probably good news for the kurds though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118

Jose posted:

just casually threatening to destroy a nato member on twitter. probably good news for the kurds though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118

Steve2911 posted:

Apparently he's obliterated the economy of Turkey before. Who knew.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

He's confused, he's thinking of that time he obliterated a turkey

RockyB posted:

Reminder: Taco BellPIZZA HUT will win the restaurant wars. Anyone who doesn't like it and doesn't agree with will be forced underground to eat grilled rat.

Truly, demolition man is the vision of the future we deserve.

Josef bugman posted:

Dear God, I am going to laugh if Trump, being the dingus that he is, actually gets Turkey to not attack Rojava.

RockyB posted:

Reminder: Taco Bell will win the restaurant wars. Anyone who doesn't like it and doesn't agree with will be forced underground to eat grilled rat.

Truly, demolition man is the vision of the future we deserve.

FiftySeven posted:

I...

Wha...

Hes absolutely unhinged. How can people not see it? Who talks like that?

ro5s posted:

The amount of money he’s personally lost probably matches the gdp of Turkey.

Jose posted:

just casually threatening to destroy a nato member on twitter. probably good news for the kurds though

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I know this is unfortunately topical for this thread lately, Big Nev has given his Twitter account over to https://twitter.com/Cradle_EPL, a charity to help support people effected by early pregnancy loss.

https://twitter.com/NevilleSouthall/status/1180943075801219072

WhatEvil posted:

Trump is also just a continuation of what's been happening for years, taken to a (only slightly) more ridiculous level. You don't need Russians in the mix to have everything gently caress up, capitalism will do that to itself.