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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm aware of nothing even close to this. We were already in a state of extreme draw down due to Trump's previous 'gently caress syria i want nothing to do with it' orders Which part are you not aware of? That trump has threatened complete withdrawal of troops, or that there's been republican pushback to the idea? 
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fool_of_sound posted:Oh no, if trump loses the mandate of heaven we'll suffer a 50% increase in liberty desire for our overseas holdings AND a -1 annual legitimacy Pat Robertson’s Age Defying Pancakes shares will take a hit. I seem to recall him hocking that on some religious news network that he probably owned
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Oct 7, 2019 19:37
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Young Freud posted:In all of this, has anyone in the House, Senate, or the candidates asked what did Erdogan offer to Trump to get him to invade Syria? Not a soul that I've noticed, so they've likely assumed it's related to a Trump Tower quid pro quo, meaning they can't press on it without people asking about the impeachment process about similar things, so they're in lock and hope he blinks. But the MIC wants to go to war to make some hometown hamburger for missile money while the RealPolitik and Religious military types don't want that because they like the ISIL killing kurds. This kind of flatly stupid thing feels more complicated than it has any right to be.
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why are they making this into a tv movie in the first place
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skylined! posted:Which part are you not aware of? That trump has threatened complete withdrawal of troops, or that there's been republican pushback to the idea? These 2 or 3 recent times you've mentioned where he's tried to do this
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No Safe Word posted:why are they making this into a tv movie in the first place Also there is no way they'll be able to properly portray how huge an idiot Trump is.
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No Safe Word posted:why are they making this into a tv movie in the first place Have you seen the state of network TV? I was watching CBS and they were showing ads for their Thursday(?) lineup: SWAT followed by Seal Team.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:39
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Should've announced with "Dumb and Dumber's Jeff Daniels to star as..."
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Oct 7, 2019 19:39
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If only Chris Farley was still alive to play Trump
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this is hard to believe. maybe they communicated via kushner's whatsapp? Oracle posted:Trump Tower Istanbul opened yesterday. That's it. This is Trump's quid pro quo to Erdogan in exchange for his tower. Helps that big daddy Putin likes the move too. that ivanka tweet is over seven years old
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theflyingorc posted:I'm not going to call you wrong, but this requires that Trump heard a thing and remembered it you know what, fair
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Oct 7, 2019 19:40
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You're literally as dumb as Trump if you think Turkey was going to blow up a ton of american regular forces and SOF in airstrikes. Especially after literally years of practicing restraint specifically towards anything flying an American flag I mean, it's Trump, so maybe the just talked about how cool his tower is and then he bumped his head and pulled out of Syria, but it seems likely he just decided it's too much effort to think about it and did what he's wanted to do for 3 years.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:41
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Well they kept saying they were going to invade Northern Syria, and were openly preparing to invade Northern Syria, and then called President Mushbrains, who is now tweeting orders to pull out of Northern Syria. you don't have to express your befuddlement in terms of "trump 5d chess master" if erdogan did indeed pressure trump to pull back troops, he did so via persuasion or some kind of bribe rather than via threat of course, it is just as likely that trump made this decision all on his own like a big boy and world leaders and politicians are scrambling to make sense of his whimsical rulership
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Herstory Begins Now posted:These 2 or 3 recent times you've mentioned where he's tried to do this I may be conflating op-eds with news announcements over the last year, or troop downturns with full removals, but I could have sworn he's threatened full troop removal on twitter before and received (tepid) republican blowback. I remember them specifically with his claims that ISIS had been defeated.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:And you're delusional if you think Trump would sacrifice one minute of "executive time" to do gently caress all to defend Kurds or anytime else. US has had units stationed specifically between the factions for years now as a way of keeping the peace and it requires literally zero seconds of Trump's time. skylined! posted:I may be conflating op-eds with news announcements over the last year, or troop downturns with full removals, but I could have sworn he's threatened full troop removal on twitter before and received (tepid) republican blowback. I remember them specifically with his claims that ISIS had been defeated. afaict you're thinking of the recent threats to completely pull out of Afghanistan or otherwise the actual withdrawal from earlier in his presidency. The US presence in Syria has been so low for a long time now that there is hardly anything left to withdraw, which is a lot of why this is so ridiculous. We had a skeleton force in Syria that was getting some of the best bang for their buck that us foreign policy actions ever do (with an essentially zero civilian bodycount for once) just by existing as a buffer to turkish/fsa/kurdish forces. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 19:43
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Rent-A-Cop posted:And you're delusional if you think Trump would sacrifice one minute of "executive time" to do gently caress all to defend Kurds or anytime else. You don't think that Trump would love to lead a unified coalition of most of NATO to strike back at an easily identifiable villain who killed American troops
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luxury handset posted:you don't have to express your befuddlement in terms of "trump 5d chess master" There doesn't need to be done weird deal here. Trump doesn't want to be in Syria, and Erdogan does. You don't have to bring a guy to do something he has already tried to do twice.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm not saying he got on the phone and yelled "Death to the great Satan!" He probably just told Trump he was going to invade and to keep Americans away from the poo poo that was going to explode. Then Trump did what he wanted to do anyway. You were accusing people itt of writing clancy fanfic like 4 pages ago.
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I wonder how many more times Trump is going to threaten our national security before his time in office is over.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You're literally as dumb as Trump if you think Turkey was going to blow up a ton of american regular forces and SOF in airstrikes. Especially after literally years of practicing restraint specifically towards anything flying an American flag Honestly I think that’s what Trump thought they would do. So he immediately ordered the troops out as he knows that another war would be bad for him, especially right now. That would explain why this fought everyone (including the Turks) by surprise.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:He probably just told Trump he was going to invade and to keep Americans away from the poo poo that was going to explode. this is a wildly risky move on erdogan's part and makes no sense at all given how obviously trump can be manipulated into doing just whatever
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Rabble posted:I wonder how many more times Trump is going to threaten our national security before his time in office is over.
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Oct 7, 2019 19:48
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Rabble posted:I wonder how many more times Trump is going to threaten our national security before his time in office is over. I’m kind of surprised he hasn’t threatened the military on a Senator or Nancy Pelosi, instead taking the “DO SOMETHING!” Approach
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theflyingorc posted:You don't think that Trump would love to lead a unified coalition of most of NATO to strike back at an easily identifiable villain who killed American troops Absolutely not. Trump wants to be praised for being a heroic leader- actually leading is something he has zero interest in.
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It genuinely feels like every loving day now. Was it this insane with Nixon?
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Numlock posted:Honestly I think that’s what Trump thought they would do. So he immediately ordered the troops out as he knows that another war would be bad for him, especially right now. That would explain why this fought everyone (including the Turks) by surprise. A war he didn't start would be extremely good for him Prester Jane posted:Absolutely not. Trump wants to be praised for being a heroic leader- actually leading is something he has zero interest in.
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https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1181278296832479232 maybe the white house is quietly telling the pentagon to just ignore the announcement and it's going to be memory-holed
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1181278296832479232 thats my guess. not really surprised but at the same time i kinda am.
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ImpAtom posted:It genuinely feels like every loving day now. Was it this insane with Nixon? nixon was competent
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theflyingorc posted:A war he didn't start would be extremely good for him That's still entirely too much leadership for him. Again, Trump would love to be praised for being a heroic leader, but actually standing up to a rival who will denounce him/fight back is something he is not capable of doing and will avoid at all costs.
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1181278296832479232 If they don't completely ignore Trump's directive, we can basically kiss any soft power projection good bye for a couple decades because this would literally show the US to be a worse ally than no ally at all.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:not really surprised but at the same time i kinda am. some random lowlifes who are not actually governmental officials seem like the ideal candidate to bring back inherent contempt arrests on
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1181278296832479232 here's the full statement
In conversations between the Department and the Turkish military we have consistently stressed that coordination and cooperation were the best path toward security in the area. Secretary Esper and Chairman Milley reiterated to their respective Turkish counterparts that unilateral action creates risks for Turkey. As the President has stated, Turkey would be responsible, along with European nations and others, for thousands of ISIS fighters who had been captured and defeated in the campaign lead by the United States. We will work with our other NATO allies and Coalition partners to reiterate to Turkey the possible destabilizing consequences of potential actions to Turkey, the region, and beyond. https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Re...or-public-affa/
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Looking forward to Rashida Tlaib arresting them
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ImpAtom posted:It genuinely feels like every loving day now. Was it this insane with Nixon? I've asked several people this, who were of varying ages but all adults at the time. Generally for the very most politically-aware people, it was frightening but they didn't know the depth of Nixon's paranoia in real-time. They didn't know he was drinking heavily, didn't know the JCOS had made a pact to ignore launch orders, etc. For politically unaware people, even the resignation came out of nowhere and the impeachment hadn't really sunk in yet by that time.
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Just imagine being Ukraine or the Kurds, your life, or death, decided on by the whims of Donald J. Trump.
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theflyingorc posted:A war he didn't start would be extremely good for him I hate to break this to you, but Trump is stupid. Like a bag of hammers would beat him in a spelling bee dumb.
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Spacebump posted:I can't wait until we have a non-idiot POTUS. I'm tired of major scandals every week with no repercussions. How long will the cleanup be once Trump is gone? And how much of this can be repaired? Like I would hope that our (former?) allies would take into consideration that Trump is a loving idiot, but legitimate or not, "America" elected him into office. Has Trump done so much damage that we won't be able to go back to how we were wrt foreign relations? I mean, he's already driven away a few countries that used to import from America because of his trade war tantrum.
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Rinkles posted:here's the full statement Moving the goalpost? "The fake news took my perfect statement and made it into something its not" will be the new talking point.
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