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Hoshi
Jan 20, 2013

:wrongcity:

Spanish Manlove posted:

What's a tankie?

Not much what's a tankie w u??

E: wrong thread, mea culpa it was a reflexive post

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
There was the Windows 98 guy who I think set records by going mad with power before he was even properly modded?

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Spanish Manlove posted:

What's a tankie?

It's like a furry, but instead of animals, it's totalitarianism.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


bradzilla posted:

It's honestly loving mind boggling how nearly every admin and mod is eventually outed as criminals, insane or some combo of both.

FAU was only a little insane and he's much better now :)


Spanish Manlove posted:

What's a tankie?

Hardcore Communist regime apologists, basically. Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot/etc. were Good, Actually.

Generally identified by statements such as, in our dear departed admin's case, "the USSR definitely didn't engineer the starvation deaths of millions of people" and "Cummunist China definitely has non-genocidal plans for the Uyghurs"

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


A tankie is a leftist who believes no one who says they are leftist can do know wrong

Edit: I've been up all night with a teething toddler and I think my point is made even though its very poorly

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
It’s fine, I hope your mouth feels better

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Paladinus posted:

It's like a furry, but instead of animals, it's totalitarianism.

*Notices mass grave* OwO what's this?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Snow Cone Capone posted:

FAU was only a little insane and he's much better now :)


Hardcore Communist regime apologists, basically. Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot/etc. were Good, Actually.

Generally identified by statements such as, in our dear departed admin's case, "the USSR definitely didn't engineer the starvation deaths of millions of people" and "Cummunist China definitely has non-genocidal plans for the Uyghurs"

Ah ok got it. Thank you.

TheDarkFlame
May 4, 2013

You tell me I didn't build that?

I'll have you know I worked my fingers to the bone to get where I am today.

Paladinus posted:

It's like a furry, but instead of animals, it's totalitarianism.

Man, their cosplay events must be something else.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I actually didn't know this, I thought it was a reference to Tienanmen Square:

wikipedia posted:

Tankie was a pejorative term referring to those members of the Communist Party of Great Britain that followed the Kremlin line, agreeing with the crushing of revolts in Hungary and later Czechoslovakia by Soviet tanks; or more broadly, those who followed a traditional pro-Soviet position.[38]

The term originated as a phrase for British hardline members of the Communist Party. Journalist Peter Paterson asked Amalgamated Engineering Union official Reg Birch about his election to the CPGB Executive after the Hungarian invasion:

"When I asked him how he could possibly have sided with the 'tankies', so called because of the use of Russian tanks to quell the revolt, he said 'they wanted a trade unionist who could stomach Hungary, and I fitted the bill'."[39][40]
The support of the invasion of Hungary was disastrous for the party's credibility.[38] The CPGB opposed the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, though a hardline faction supported it. The Party's newspaper, Morning Star, was banned in the Warsaw Pact countries during that time as the paper opposed the invasion.

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


El_Elegante posted:

It’s fine, I hope your mouth feels better

Haha if it was mine at least I could use Orajel on it instead of just frozen toy rings

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

IMO moderators should only ever be people who don't want to bbe moderators.

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


I think admins should not be decided because a mod is being chain probated on fyad

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
a tankie is an apologist for / supporter of authoritarian regimes that claim to be communist, socialist, or anti-imperialist. the term derives from splits in the international socialist movement after the USSR used military force (tanks) to suppress pro democracy protests in Hungary and referred to those who continued to accept the Soviet party line.

e:f,b

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider

BattleMaster posted:

IMO moderators should only ever be people who don't want to bbe moderators.

The Cincinnatus Protocol

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Bad luck for Guyovich that Smythe wasn’t around to immediately change the subject or close the thread, like the last few times his genocide denial was brought up in QCS

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
the only ban i have on this account is because homex didn't know parachute accounts aren't illegal. this is the one and only time i will ever mildly complain about that, welp that's my story

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Smythe had the good sense to leave the last scalping thread open for a celebratory round of dunks. This is worse.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Sid Vicious posted:

I think admins should not be decided because a mod is being chain probated on fyad

to post so badly that you are made an admin

is this a blessing...or a curse...

Stroop There It Is
Mar 11, 2012

:gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar:
:stroop: :gaysper: :stroop:
:gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar:


Hoshi posted:

Not much what's a tankie w u??

E: wrong thread, mea culpa it was a reflexive post
lol, appreciated :discourse:

BattleMaster posted:

IMO moderators should only ever be people who don't want to bbe moderators.
Kind of a problem for an unpaid volunteer position.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012

BattleMaster posted:

IMO moderators should only ever be people who don't want to bbe moderators.

This was sort of how it worked before, back in the day. Admins would just give people mod buttons without prior warning after deciding they'd be good moderators. Turns out you can be a perfectly normal poster but once given moderator powers very few people stay sane.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Known Lecher posted:

As someone who hates himself and therefore follows the C-SPAM China thread, it's kind of amusing to see the widespread horror at R Guy's genocide denialism. If you read that thread at all, it wasn't even an open secret, more like an open fact.

Whenever the Uighur concentration camps would come up he'd drop in with a "Only deluded sheeple believe Radio Free Asia and the CIA's lies about these harmless vocational centers :smuggo:" shitpost and basically ignore anyone who tried to argue otherwise.

Like, there's a poster in that thread whose entire gimmick is to post as a hard core Chinese Communist Party supporter/mouthpiece and they're maaaybe 10-15% more tankie than R Guy's seriousposting.

I just assumed he's an admin so surely the rest of the staff knew and welp, what are you gonna do.

You could read any of the 4 China threads (not counting chinese language) and seen it. This was just known.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Ruflux posted:

This was sort of how it worked before, back in the day. Admins would just give people mod buttons without prior warning after deciding they'd be good moderators. Turns out you can be a perfectly normal poster but once given moderator powers very few people stay sane.
I think that almost everyone on this site is mentally ill in one way or another. You don't come to a small discussion board like this in lieu of other socializing if you're not. There's nothing wrong with that. And the vast majority of the mods and admins we've had were fine: people don't go "Hey, remember that fucker Pipski?"

But as a result of the selected-amateur nature of moderation, the lack of resources to screen people, the adversarial relationship between posters and mods on SA and the way that contributes to wagon-circling, the challenge of sorting valid QCS complaints from invalid ones, and other factors I'm sure I'm forgetting, a bad mod can do a lot of damage before someone higher up steps in or even knows about it. It's always a risk each time someone gets picked, and there's very little you can do besides hope that this time it'll work out - you don't usually have much influence over the actions of fellow mods.

It gets harder with admins, because there often isn't someone higher-up. I assume that's changing but when ZDR left what we had was a bunch of ostensible equals without the person who had been head admin. I spoke about it before in the Bobbie Wickham thread but I could have a hard time navigating the social complexities that sometimes came with adminning. Everyone has their weaknesses and the two in particular that led me to step down were a tendency to inattentiveness and a tendency toward decision paralysis that led to inaction.

The point isn't to make this about me, but just to share a perspective. The more we can understand about how decisions get made, good and bad, the better we can do as a website. SA is still the best site on the internet because at least we take moderation seriously and the posters here actually give a poo poo about the forums.

Space Camp fuckup
Aug 2, 2003

r-word guyovich

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

GoutPatrol posted:

You could read any of the 4 China threads (not counting chinese language) and seen it. This was just known.

As someone who never read any of them, my image of r guy was some lefter-than-thou douche who liked to pick on Bernie supporters when he was feeling small, which is why i was pretty dismissive and flippant about him at first. I figured the best way to deal with that was to just hoot louder in the Bernie hooting thread

Then the rest of the info came out in the qcs thread and :stare:

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Space Camp fuckup posted:

r-word guyovich

no

pog boyfriend
Jul 2, 2011

Ruflux posted:

This was sort of how it worked before, back in the day. Admins would just give people mod buttons without prior warning after deciding they'd be good moderators. Turns out you can be a perfectly normal poster but once given moderator powers very few people stay sane.

that is what they did for me , op. i actually checked the forum before i checked the pm FAU sent me basically saying “alright youre up” and saw i could ban people. thankfully i chose not to go on a massacre and check the PM to find out what was happening

One More Fat Nerd
Apr 13, 2007

Mama’s Lil’ Louie

Nap Ghost
Is it weird that after learning that he's posting/adminning through a vpn from China that i just kinda assumed the Ugyur genocide denial was at least partially a personal safety thing? Doesn't explain the Holodomor poo poo or the other bad modding, or excuse anything, but he could be worried he's being monitored.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

One More Fat Nerd posted:

Is it weird that after learning that he's posting/adminning through a vpn from China that i just kinda assumed the Ugyur genocide denial was at least partially a personal safety thing? Doesn't explain the Holodomor poo poo or the other bad modding, or excuse anything, but he could be worried he's being monitored.
I doubt this. I didn't read any of the threads the Uyghur stuff came up in, but I argued with R. Guy about China once before that started and he seemed quite sincere. I really do think he was blinded by ideology. He started from a reasonable position - the history of imperialism and conquest in Europe and the Anglosphere contained a lot of evil and the damage from it is ongoing - and somehow ended up at "therefore, China is its opposition and should be trusted." That kind of nationalism, whether it's making you ignore US concentration camps or Australian ones or Chinese ones, it can really poison your brain.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

The fact that he was a Holodomor denier was pretty well-known. He even had a few defenders when it came up in QCS the one or two times that the thread wasn’t closed or redirected immediately after it came up, both other people denying it and a “Nazis also think the Holodomor was bad, you don’t want to be like a Nazi, do you?” routine.

But he was gone 24 hours after it was brought to everyone’s attention that he also denied the Uighur genocide. I guess you get one free pass for genocide denial but that’s it.

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Oct 30, 2009

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He was on the wrong genoside of history

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

FactsAreUseless posted:

Any kind of nationalism, whether it's making you ignore US concentration camps or Australian ones or Chinese ones, it can really poison your brain.

If your nation is invaded, and your family can tell who's winning by the uniform you're wearing, you're doing things right.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

The fact that he was a Holodomor denier was pretty well-known. He even had a few defenders when it came up in QCS the one or two times that the thread wasn’t closed or redirected immediately after it came up, both other people denying it and a “Nazis also think the Holodomor was bad, you don’t want to be like a Nazi, do you?” routine.

But he was gone 24 hours after it was brought to everyone’s attention that he also denied the Uighur genocide. I guess you get one free pass for genocide denial but that’s it.
There was a decent QCS thread about the Holodomor (not about R. Guy though): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3899085

I think it's an interesting read.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider

FactsAreUseless posted:

There was a decent QCS thread about the Holodomor (not about R. Guy though): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3899085

I think it's an interesting read.

Since that thread I’ve thought about “the domor, the holodomor, and nothing but the domor” at least twice a week.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Ultimately, Guyovich's apology rings hollowdomor.

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


Paladinus posted:

Ultimately, Guyovich's apology rings hollowdomor.

Boo

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



One More Fat Nerd posted:

Is it weird that after learning that he's posting/adminning through a vpn from China that i just kinda assumed the Ugyur genocide denial was at least partially a personal safety thing? Doesn't explain the Holodomor poo poo or the other bad modding, or excuse anything, but he could be worried he's being monitored.

The easiest thing would be to not comment at all on the uighur genocide, so I highly doubt it. He had an agenda.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


R guy posting hot genocide denial takes while furtively looking over his shoulder at the entrance to the cybercafe every few seconds

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Oct 10, 2012

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Wes Warhammer
Oct 19, 2012

:sueme:

Snow Cone Capone posted:

R guy posting hot genocide denial takes while furtively looking over his shoulder at the entrance to the cybercafe every few seconds

:lol:

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