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rest his guts posted:or just read the same Beckett book over and over again, as all Beckett is the same according to my friend of superior intellect, a true juggernaut and recipient of an MFA you really took that offhand joke to heart, huh
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derp posted:i was reading Frost but i stopped halfway thru because the painter is right, all art is garbage useless nonsense for idiots. Is Bernhard popular in America? Do you also read Jelinek over there? I'm curious.
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I don't know what's popular. the only people i know who read these kinds of books are in this thread. I started reading Bernhard because Sebald liked him, and Sebald is the unequivocal best. never heard of Jelinek
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mike12345 posted:Is Bernhard popular in America? Do you also read Jelinek over there? I'm curious. No. There was a period where I was enthusing about Old Masters to anyone who would listen, but I never met anyone in the US, even English professors, who had read Bernhard. Susan Sontag was into him, though. No idea about Jelinek.
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mike12345 posted:Is Bernhard popular in America? Do you also read Jelinek over there? I'm curious. I wouldn’t say he’s popular exactly, except among people who are really into angry European men who hate everything, although he seems to be more well-known than Jelinek. I’ve been meaning to pick up something by her. I guess The Piano Teacher seems like a good starting point. edit: yeah, I really have no idea what’s actually popular since this thread is the vast majority of book discussion I have. I hear about Bernhard here and there online and come across the occasional article about him. This thread is the only reason I’ve even heard of Jelinek. wizardofloneliness fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 1, 2019 |
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:you really took that offhand joke to heart, huh sorry I don’t understand. perhaps express yourself via webcomic? Eugene V. Dubstep posted:Susan Sontag was into him, though. Neat!
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wizardofloneliness posted:I wouldn’t say he’s popular exactly, except among people who are really into angry European men who hate everything, although he seems to be more well-known than Jelinek. I’ve been meaning to pick up something by her. I guess The Piano Teacher seems like a good starting point. A lot of Jelinek's qualities lie in her use and abuse of language, I'm not sure how this even translates into english. The Piano Teacher might be a soft intro to some of her themes, but what's the most striking about her writing imo is really her wrestling with the limits of language itself. Then again she got the nobel prize for lit, so maybe some translations are good. (btw she translated Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" into german, a translation I don't like because it feels too much like one of her texts)
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we dont read books in america we just hoot and perform simplistic shadow puppetry with out genitals
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chernobyl kinsman posted:we dont read books in america we just hoot and perform simplistic shadow puppetry with out genitals My first reaction to this post was to think of Jonathan Franzen.
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On the topic of Bernhard, I’ve found that not only I do adore his work, but also the work of several others who count him as a major influence- Sebald, Krasznahorkai, even Geoff Dyer and Ben Lerner. Would be glad for further recommendations if anyone has any.
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Gaddis' last book is very heavily inspired by Bernhard in form and style.
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derp posted:i was reading Frost but i stopped halfway thru because the painter is right, all art is garbage useless nonsense for idiots. Actually it would own to be an original son or daughter of lewdness. mike12345 posted:A lot of Jelinek's qualities lie in her use and abuse of language, I'm not sure how this even translates into english. The Piano Teacher might be a soft intro to some of her themes, but what's the most striking about her writing imo is really her wrestling with the limits of language itself. Then again she got the nobel prize for lit, so maybe some translations are good. I'm sure at least some of the members of the Swedish Academy read German & can convey the effects of her style.
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Speaking of which, I really hope they pick some nobodies for this year's Nobel so that I can read some good translated poo poo.
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Mira posted:Speaking of which, I really hope they pick some nobodies for this year's Nobel so that I can read some good translated poo poo. We're still getting a twofer this year, right? Which also might increase the chances that they choose a "safe" pick and then somebody more unconventional.
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Boatswain posted:I'm sure at least some of the members of the Swedish Academy read German & can convey the effects of her style. I did not mean to insult the nobel committee sorry
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ulvir posted:what are the odds of Murakami being the safe one He would be the controversial choice
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J_RBG posted:I'm about seven days through the decameron and I've got to say boccaccio would most definitely be into cuckold porn. Simply absurd number of cuckold stories. Basically it's good I just finished day 3. I'm reading one a night to spread out the fun. Day 3 has a guy who pretends to be mute so that several nuns sleep with him (since he can't say anything), a lady have her priest trick her husband so that she and the priest can have sex--delightful! And then it hits story 3.6 and that sure sucked out a lot of the fun.
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The North Tower posted:I just finished day 3. I'm reading one a night to spread out the fun. Day 3 has a guy who pretends to be mute so that several nuns sleep with him (since he can't say anything), a lady have her priest trick her husband so that she and the priest can have sex--delightful! And then it hits story 3.6 and that sure sucked out a lot of the fun. Watch The Little Hours with Aubrey Plaza and Kate Miccuci as the nuns.
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its bullshit that sebald never won a nobel because his brain exploded and he wrapped his car around a telephone pole
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It was a truck in the other lane.
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MystOpportunity posted:On the topic of Bernhard, I’ve found that not only I do adore his work, but also the work of several others who count him as a major influence- Sebald, Krasznahorkai, even Geoff Dyer and Ben Lerner. Would be glad for further recommendations if anyone has any. I recommend you stop reading Ben Lerner
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Watch The Little Hours with Aubrey Plaza and Kate Miccuci as the nuns. Seconded, that's a really good movie
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The North Tower posted:I just finished day 3. I'm reading one a night to spread out the fun. Day 3 has a guy who pretends to be mute so that several nuns sleep with him (since he can't say anything), a lady have her priest trick her husband so that she and the priest can have sex--delightful! And then it hits story 3.6 and that sure sucked out a lot of the fun. I don't remember that one myself, but I do remember some stories just not being all that interesting and holding out hope for my guy Dioneo later on. Just wait for Calandrino (think he makes his first appearance around the eighth day), the stories about him were my favourite
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Krankenstyle posted:Seconded, that's a really good movie Not only because it's a fun take on a tale from the Decameron, but also because it's a weird comedic homage to Italian nunsploitation films where an outsider enters the monastery and brings forth corruption/devil worship, which is a pretty niche thing to reference.
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Tim Burns Effect posted:[eric andre voice] im on it right now loving nice, post your thoughts when you're done. It's one of my favorite Nabokov novels.
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J_RBG posted:I don't remember that one myself, but I do remember some stories just not being all that interesting and holding out hope for my guy Dioneo later on. Just wait for Calandrino (think he makes his first appearance around the eighth day), the stories about him were my favourite I'm still enjoying it, I just remember not really wanting to share the plot of that one with my girlfriend after several nights of giddily laughing in bed. I'm mostly forcing myself to only read one or two a night. Thanks for the recommendation, Hieronymous Alloy, Krankenstyle, Franchescanado - 3.1 and 3.2 were great so I'll check it out.
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Officer Sandvich posted:I recommend you stop reading Ben Lerner Agreed. gently caress Ben Lerner.
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It’s so cool when a thing references a niche thing. Fuckin sick, in fact.The North Tower posted:I'm still enjoying it, I just remember not really wanting to share the plot of that one with my girlfriend after several nights of giddily laughing in bed. Very cool! Nice!
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Beloved by Toni Morrison is great. It's a simple story that manages to be beautiful, melancholic and brutal all at once. It's a great novel to read right now, since it takes place during the transition from Summer to Autumn, and has great imagery for both.
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It turns out Pentti Linkola is fairly loving chill, and that all the best writers are fascists and nazi sympathizers. Thanks for the good recs, you handful of decent posters itt. Beloved is hogslop for children btw
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I really liked Beloved when I read it in high school. I’ve never read anything else by Toni Morrison though.
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rest his guts posted:It turns out Pentti Linkola is fairly loving chill Well that's one way to look at it. (He was right about the Green League - now usually called just the Greens - though.)
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Franchescanado posted:Beloved by Toni Morrison is great. It's a simple story that manages to be beautiful, melancholic and brutal all at once. It's a great novel to read right now, since it takes place during the transition from Summer to Autumn, and has great imagery for both. Yah I recently reread it when she died and was struck by its debts to faulkner, which might be more obvious if you're american. Then I found out when at university she did her dissertation partly on him. Anyway it's good. I feel she's often lumped in with worse writers like margaret atwood simply because they're widely read feminists
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Mira posted:Agreed. gently caress Ben Lerner. I liked 10:04, interested in what dumb reason you folks have for dismissing him
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rest his guts posted:Very cool! Nice! I'm sorry you don't like to laugh. Sometimes I like to laugh and share what I'm reading with my domestic partner.
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rest his guts posted:Beloved is hogslop for children btw Hm. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't agree and think less of you for sharing this opinion.
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cda posted:Hm. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't agree and think less of you for sharing this opinion.  I know this isn’t the rec thread, but what are some good autumnal literary novels or poetry?
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Franchescanado posted:
Autumn by Ali Smith
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