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theflyingorc posted:Hating on homeless people in Queens is completely unrelated to climate change? I would say that our institutional and cultural treatment of displaced people has an absolute poo poo-ton to do with climate change. 
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So how many Republican senators do you figure there are who are privately not cool with history recording them as being on the wrong side of a strongarm attempt to end constitutional democracy in America?
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We are not likely to see any significant response from the House until next week when they return from recess I'd suggest calling up your rep and yelling incoherently about the dude with the mace, thats my plan
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pkay posted:Impeaching and removal. The senate isn't going to convict so there isn't any removal to happen.
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CommieGIR posted:No it is because the Department of Justice will not uphold the checks and balances that it's supposed to be upholding independent from the executive and McConnell is in the Senate not Congress McConnell is a senator. The senate is considered apart of congress...WTF
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Celexi posted:The senate isn't going to convict so there isn't any removal to happen. Yes, but that doesn't mean there is a constitutional crisis.
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pkay posted:Yes, but that doesn't mean there is a constitutional crisis.
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Random thought, has the house or senate passed gently caress-all for actual, yknow, legislation lately?
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pkay posted:McConnell is a senator. The senate is considered apart of congress...WTF You know what I meant McConnell is not the Speaker of the House wording it the way you did frames it all wrong
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pkay posted:Yes, but that doesn't mean there is a constitutional crisis. What do you think a constitutional crisis is, exactly, if the president getting away with obstruction of justice isn't one?
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Tatsuta Age posted:Random thought, has the house or senate passed gently caress-all for actual, yknow, legislation lately? McConnell is sitting on a metric TON of poo poo.
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Tatsuta Age posted:Random thought, has the house or senate passed gently caress-all for actual, yknow, legislation lately? Well they passed that resolution condemning anti-semitism
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haveblue posted:Context: This is about a proposal to build a homeless shelter in an upscale Queens neighborhood Glendale isn't anywhere near upscale. It's a bunch of blue collar old people who don't want a shelter in their neighborhood. They're just assholes.
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Rime posted:So how many Republican senators do you figure there are who are privately not cool with history recording them as being on the wrong side of a strongarm attempt to end constitutional democracy in America? I would guess not very many. They only care about whether they have power right now. Do they have power right now? Yes. End of program.
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Retro42 posted:McConnell is sitting on a metric TON of poo poo. It's this McConnell is already openly said he wants to turn the Senate into a graveyard for the Democrats house bills
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Tatsuta Age posted:Random thought, has the house or senate passed gently caress-all for actual, yknow, legislation lately? The House has passed a lot of legislation that immediately died in the Senate https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bi...&terms2=__ALL__
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We have been in a Constitutional Crisis since January 20th 2017.
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Rabble posted:No way the senate votes to impeach on an obstruction charge...I guess American democracy is over They have enough to charge him on the Ukraine thing but the evidence is easily arguable compared to what they will have later if they get the tapes, word-for-word transcript, and/or first hand testimony. I don’t think this is over. I’d still put Senate removal at a distant third behind Impeachment/No Removal or Resign.
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empty whippet box posted:I know this just keeps being true over and over again, but isn't this yet another clear example of an impeachable offense that must be acted on immediately to stop the president from continuing to abuse his power? Yes also known as 'evidence'. I'm not sure how you package this up at this point and send it to the senate for a vote; there still has to be a continued investigation and more evidence collected beyond angry tweets and letters from the white house. Celexi posted:How is the congress going to enforce anything? the Sargent at arms will start arresting people single-handily? You keep popping up to say this when in reality what we are witnessing has no precedent. So you are as likely to be wrong as you are right. The intel committee will likely vote on contempt charges, then the entire house. They will pass party-line. It is unlikely the house will try to go through various channels to arrest people, but they will sue in civil court and start levying hefty fines to compel compliance. skylined! fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Ogmius815 posted:Explain? Most Americans are taught $100 in school. In many other countries they get taught 100$. When one invoices internationally the ones orginating in the states are usually $100. 100$ appears on invoices orignating in a bunch of european countries. Its not hard and fast, but its like 1.000.000 vs 1,000,000. It's a tell about where the person came from.
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Rime posted:So how many Republican senators do you figure there are who are privately not cool with history recording them as being on the wrong side of a strongarm attempt to end constitutional democracy in America? They really wouldn't care if Trump was a competent fascist and not a moron howling at the media while stepping on the next 10 rakes in the yard with a bucket on his head
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CommieGIR posted:You know what I meant the Connell is not the Speaker of the House wording it the way you did frames it all wrong Look man, this concept isn't hard to grasp. Congress still has the ability to impeach and remove members of the executive and the judicial. They are currently refusing to do this. This is a dereliction of their constitutional duties. That power still resides with Congress should they choose to use it. Now, if Trump had been impeached and removed from office and he refused to leave and noone made him leave, that would be a constitutional crisis.
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Rime posted:So how many Republican senators do you figure there are who are privately not cool with history recording them as being on the wrong side of a strongarm attempt to end constitutional democracy in America? There are many recorded incidents in history of rich, powerful men making very bad, selfish decisions in the pursuit of more power and money. Democracy is based on the idea that most people are Inherently good and can make good choices. The opposite is true. The only options open to the Democratic party now are essentially to lay down and get neutered or start moving towards open rebellion. The only mechanisms towards a procedural solution to this situation are blocked. The DoJ will prevent any litigative solution and the Senate will prevent a constitutional one. If the Democrats don't find (or make) a path forward, the Republicans will invite foreign powers to interfere in our elections to ensure themselves permanent control and American democracy will be dead. SchrodingersCat fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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pkay posted:Look man, this concept isn't hard to grasp. Congress still has the ability to impeach and remove members of the executive and the judicial. They are currently refusing to do this. This is a dereliction of their constitutional duties. That power still resides with Congress should they choose to use it. Now, if Trump had been impeached and removed from office and he refused to leave and noone made him leave, that would be a constitutional crisis. What the f*** do you think this investigation of is about
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Rime posted:So how many Republican senators do you figure there are who are privately not cool with history recording them as being on the wrong side of a strongarm attempt to end constitutional democracy in America? Less than a quarter of them, if that. Republicans either don't believe they're in the wrong or view Trump in purely decorum "he is saying the quiet part too loud" terms rather than material ideological disagreement. They believe they will be written down as the heroes in this story. Sad part is, if popular perceptions of Reagan are anything to go by, they're probably right.
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Aramis posted:What do you think a constitutional crisis is, exactly, if the president getting away with obstruction of justice isn't one? I don't think you understand what constitutional crisis means. Google that poo poo and explain how this constitutes one
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quote:Authorities said about “12 pounds of marijuana, 149 grams of THC cartridges, and $4,157” was seized from Brown’s apartment during an initial search. ummel posted:Seems like a normal thing for someone living next to a cop to have. Also seems highly unlikely someone dealing like that would be a witness against a cop in a court case and bring a bunch of police attention on himself. This is some major bullshit.
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pkay posted:I don't think you understand what constitutional crisis means. Google that poo poo and explain how this constitutes one I see you're under the pretense that you have to hold a floor vote for an impeachment actually happen rather than an investigation which is really the dumbest hot take of this thread
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yea the right is very much happy with Trump except for him being a bit more vulgar than they like, barely any meaningful defections will come even if this goes full Nixon and we have objective taped proof of him doing actual felonies. We just saw Bush and Ellen, they know if they can just wait out a few years post-Trump he'll get the 'well Donald Trump may have had his flaws but compared to Lord Emperor Crenshaw firing on migrants from a helicopter we can agree he was personally a good guy'. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it won't even be two years after he's out of office before he's hosting SNL again and going on the late night shows.
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CommieGIR posted:What the f*** do you think this investigation of is about So the solution to a criminal President committing crimes is impeachment and removal. Congress still has that authority but they have currently not elected to invoke that authority. How is this a situation that the constitution is unable to solve?
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Rime posted:So how many Republican senators do you figure there are who are privately not cool with history recording them as being on the wrong side of a strongarm attempt to end constitutional democracy in America? maybe enough to convict but probably no. if they do do the right thing, it won't be for the right reasons. most likely they will do nothing or aquit and than when/if he implodes in 2020, a decade or so later some will gurgle that edmund burke quote about themselves or some poo poo. that seems like a really dumb movie.
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A quick reminder that "Senate Majority Leader" is a loving made up title that appears nowhere in the Constitution, and Mitch only has power because of Precedent and procedure If Rpublicans want to play Constitutional hardball "orginialism" let's get nuts TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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CommieGIR posted:I see you're under the pretense that you have to hold a floor vote for an impeachment actually happen rather than an investigation which is really the dumbest hot take of this thread No im of the opinion that this isn't a constitutional crisis and that you just recently learned that the Senate is one of the houses of Congress.
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pkay posted:So the solution to a criminal President committing crimes is impeachment and removal. Congress still has that authority but they have currently not elected to invoke that authority. How is this a situation that the constitution is unable to solve? The growing approval ratings for impeachment are partially due to the investigation that's going on if they had just held a floor vote for impeachment it wouldn't have passed and they would have looked like idiots this is really a dumb take
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TulliusCicero posted:A quick reminder that "Senate Majority Leader" is a loving made up title that appears nowhere in the Constitution, and Mitch only has power because of Precedent and procedure Nah, congress is given extremely broad leeway to write its own rules quote:2: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
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When you're a Star Chamber, they let you do it. Posse comitatus.
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Lightning Knight posted:Less than a quarter of them, if that. Republicans either don't believe they're in the wrong or view Trump in purely decorum "he is saying the quiet part too loud" terms rather than material ideological disagreement. They believe they will be written down as the heroes in this story. Thing is, if the Senate lets him get away with ignoring subpoenas, they're setting the precedent that the next Dem elected can just tell them to pound sand when the Senate tries to start up a new investigation into where they were during Benghazi. Whether enough Republican Senators are OK with that probably depends on how far away they are from election they are and how safe they feel their state is if the cultists largely stay home, but I have a feeling it's closer to Flake's number than yours.
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pkay posted:So the solution to a criminal President committing crimes is impeachment and removal. Congress still has that authority but they have currently not elected to invoke that authority. How is this a situation that the constitution is unable to solve? You're making a distinction between "a mechanism exists, so there is no crisis" and "there is no possibility for this mechanism to be used, so there's nothing that can be done, which is a crisis" which isn't meaningful or useful. You're just arguing semantics which is pointless.
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