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BBJoey posted:not sure about the effectiveness of anti-Vietnam protests, chief The protests contributed directly to manpower shortages and war weariness. They also shaped left politics for a generation. The precise impact is debatable but not easily written off.
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BBJoey posted:not sure about the effectiveness of anti-Vietnam protests, chief They arguably shortened the war.
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And probably inspired Stallone to make First Blood If only he'd stopped there
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This climate road block is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
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Anidav posted:Having ads on the Opera House. https://twitter.com/dril/status/1174193568870785024?s=21
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hambeet posted:They arguably shortened the war. To add to this the mood that was set against Nixon by protesters also set the mood that caused journalists to investigate the poo poo out of him.
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hambeet posted:That's a good one.  And, beyond that, the whole union movement and the power of strikes which gave us, at the time, world class working conditions, pay and leave. If your friend's in the US, ask him how he enjoys his one week off a year and whether actually taking that time will negatively impact his career. Also, none of that loving bullshit "right to work" where you can lose your livelihood at any moment for no reason.
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hambeet posted:That's a good one. The Suffragette movement started here.
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Urcher posted:The Suffragette movement started here. And arguably the Green movement, because unions.
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hambeet posted:That's a good one. Green Bans The list is pretty long if you count union victories.
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Oh drat, whose voice is calling for this I wonder, lemme click and find out what uh... https://twitter.com/Politics_SMHAGE/status/1181473215333326848 Medibank Private's chief actuary Andrew Matthews has to say
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:remember the drought relief funding that coincidentally ended up almost entirely in liberal electorates? I wonder how they thought that nobody would ask questions about this when Port Fairy & Warrnambol are so goddamn cold and wet.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:You don't need to be arrested (although it helps) What is it with XR and this poo poo. Let’s all get arrested by our good friends and allies, the police. Seriously, what’s the aim here?
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eternal reminder: 1. cops were created (and still function) to serve capital over people 2. cops are not your friends and never will be 3. ACAB
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Anidav posted:To add to this the mood that was set against Nixon by protesters also set the mood that caused journalists to investigate the poo poo out of him. The mood that won him the 72 election by 23 points and 49 states to 1.
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Chicken Parmigiana posted:What is it with XR and this poo poo.
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Chicken Parmigiana posted:Let’s all get arrested by our good friends and allies, the police.
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Good points all. I guess his perception, and mine too though I'm very much removed from the US, is that in the US there seems to be wider acceptance of protests and their importance compared to here where nearly everyone gets very angry if they are made late to work / home. It could just be the result of lovely media here too I guess.
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Bernstrike posted:The mood that won him the 72 election by 23 points and 49 states to 1. His opponent was loving terrible - and Agnew AND Nixon were out on their rear end only two years later
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I missed that Abbott was appointed to the board of the war memorial, lmao, very cool
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what do we need a war memorial for, if they keep telling us not to forget. thats your job!!
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Queensland looking to fast track laws over "dangerous" protest devices like barrels full of concrete people are locking themselves to. Also allows for police to search people for these devices and jail protesters for up to two years for using them. Sounds good guys, will stop that one cop from getting a scratched arm in the future.
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Just in case any thread-readers aren’t aware of the criticisms of Extinction Rebellion, here are a few articles. They cover a lot of ground but all mention the objection to getting arrested and cooperating with the police (in order to get arrested??) as a core tactic of XR. I’m not really anti-XR but I do wonder about their long-term effectiveness. Time will tell of course, but right now there’s a whiff of ‘feelgood activism’ about them that concerns me. Simultaneously I’m encouraged by their existence and growth but wish they were... better. Like actually as radical as they claim to be. (I wouldn’t discourage anyone from choosing to get involved though. But also, be aware that XR aren’t the only climate activism game in town.) https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbm3q4/extinction-rebellion-xr-is-shaped-by-middle-class-white-people-it-does-not-serve-people-of-color https://whysocialmovementsmatter.com/news/2019/10/3/dear-xr-why-not-be-more-honest-with-your-participants https://thinkingdoingchanging.com/2019/04/18/lets-talk-about-extinction-rebellion/
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All they want is to make sure they end up on the board of a fossil fuel company.
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Glad we have a real voice of the left now. Good job Albo.
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Chicken Parmigiana posted:Just in case any thread-readers aren’t aware of the criticisms of Extinction Rebellion, here are a few articles. They cover a lot of ground but all mention the objection to getting arrested and cooperating with the police (in order to get arrested??) as a core tactic of XR. XR reminds me quite a bit of the Occupy movement, and I think there are a lot of parallels you could draw between the two.
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The media and LNP are united in vilifying XR, state ALP governments range from ambivalent to actively persecuting them, and now federal ALP is preparing to entirely concede environmental policy to the LNP. I just don’t see how the environmental movement in this country can effectively force change.
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Regarding the other discussion, I’ve read that one reason Australia has a different (perhaps lesser) history of public protest compared to the US, the UK, et al, is that Australian cities lack an important feature: the town square. And it was a deliberate decision, on the part of the colonial elite, to build towns without them, because they knew that public squares = public gatherings = dissent and protest. There’s a good article about it; I think this is it but I’m nearly at my train stop and don’t have time to check: http://theconversation.com/australians-dont-loiter-in-public-space-the-legacy-of-colonial-control-by-design-76979
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If you're at high risk of deportation then don't get arrested with xr lol. Leave that to others and make badges or something.
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JBP posted:If you're at high risk of deportation then don't get arrested with xr lol. Leave that to others and make badges or something. There are a lot of white middle aged people willing to get arrested, as they possess just enough class consciousness to appreciate that the cops probably won't beat the snot out of them in the process (although there were a few women in their 50s with broken bones during the Roe8 protests, but that's a Liberal govt for you) Also I read that the West put out a paper with a blank front page that people could use for placards which seems utterly out of character for Kerry Stokes.
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I support XR and I realise this will make me sound like a massive oval office but seriously it’s a drainer for peak hour in Melbourne already. Protest politicians and make their days poo poo, not your average person going to work.
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teacup posted:I support XR and I realise this will make me sound like a massive oval office but seriously it’s a drainer for peak hour in Melbourne already. Protest politicians and make their days poo poo, not your average person going to work. "MaYbE YoU ShOuLdN'T bE gOinG 2 WoRk" - A casual academic probably. Most of XR are on the left end of the small l liberal crowd and totally lack enough class consciousness to realise that a lot of people don't have the luxury of striking for protest in the current IR environment. Especially not once a month or so. I agree, they need to figure out how to organise more effectively and get more people out or at least sympathetic to the cause before going straight to full blown civil disobedience tactics, or they're likely to lose popular support. They need to get local community leaders on board - priests/pastors (obviously not the pentacostal idiots but large sections of the Anglican and Catholic churches outside of Sydney are vocal about climate change), council members, state parliament members, school principles, other local leaders - anyone who has the ability to influence the people around them. Can't all be up to the kids to win over the greater population.
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Don Dongington posted:"MaYbE YoU ShOuLdN'T bE gOinG 2 WoRk" That’s the thing, like I have a family I need my job. I’ve gone to protests on a Sunday when I’m not working! I’d take my girl when she’s older! I mean flip side I definitely don’t think they should be arrested and banned and all the terrible poo poo we are hearing either .
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Don Dongington posted:There are a lot of white middle aged people willing to get arrested, as they possess just enough class consciousness to appreciate that the cops probably won't beat the snot out of them in the process (although there were a few women in their 50s with broken bones during the Roe8 protests, but that's a Liberal govt for you) XR also have groups like Regeneration which are focused on building sustainable communities and community support, and have a dedicated support (emotional & otherwise) branch to help out the people getting arrested and other civil disobedience groups. People only see what the civil disobediencr groups and arrestables are doing as that is what gets the attention of the media, but there is a huge network of people behind that not only planning these events but ensuring that everyone has the support they need and no one gets thrown under the bus.
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also a key tenet for XR is 'no blame, no shame' where they recognise that the problems are institutional, and that not everyone is able to make the protests due to work or whatever, so don't poo poo on people because they aren't vegan or need to use a car, or can't take time off work to help. So I can see why AusPol wouldn't like them.
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