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Welp, glad I still have my receipt for that copy of Overwatch I just picked up. Thank you for all the positive helpful responses in the thread at least. Sounds like the game is in pretty good shape, even if the company is setting itself on fire.
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teagone posted:Still, gently caress Blizzard for going to the lengths that they did to appease China. Oh I mean sure, not defending Blizzard here. Just that the two companies are doing similar things
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Honestly I see no point in that kind of boycotting, it's not like Blizzard will actually give a poo poo, nonviolent protesting doesn't work anyways, at least not on the large scale companies like Blizzard operate on, especially without violence(or at least the threat of it) backing it up
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If a boycott specifically affects shareholder confidence or in fact just the number of consumers in a non China market it would be more effective than violence because capitalism specifically inoculates itself against violence through the state protection of capital, that’s the whole reason why non violent protest is effective
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly I see no point in that kind of boycotting, it's not like Blizzard will actually give a poo poo, nonviolent protesting doesn't work anyways, at least not on the large scale companies like Blizzard operate on, especially without violence(or at least the threat of it) backing it up Lots of people are now reconsidering giving money to Blizzard. That can be more effective than violence. I personally can't give my dollars and support to a company that has maneuvered itself against human rights in an attempt to maintain its profit margins. gently caress that noise. It's shameful as hell.
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the whole thing happened because china is the larger market boycotting affects their bottom line, but also, you are now a minority in their customer base, so if anything it just drives them further into china's arms. also it will have no impact on the hong kong protests either way. 
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:If a boycott specifically affects shareholder confidence or in fact just the number of consumers in a non China market it would be more effective than violence because capitalism specifically inoculates itself against violence through the state protection of capital, that’s the whole reason why non violent protest is effective That is complete pile of bullshit teagone posted:Lots of people are now reconsidering giving money to Blizzard. That can be more effective than violence. I personally can't give my dollars and support to a company that has maneuvered itself against human rights in an attempt to maintain its profit margins. gently caress that noise. It's shameful as hell. Eh it's really not going to have a noticeable effect, cause at most maybe a couple thousand people will do that kind of boycott, a literal drop in the bucket for a company like Blizzard, which is why nonviolent protest doesn't work, capitalism operates at too big of a scale for it to work, hence if people want to see real change they need to start pulling out the Molotov Cocktails rather than signs Minrad posted:the whole thing happened because china is the larger market Exactly
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Minrad posted:the whole thing happened because china is the larger market drrockso20 posted:
I can't willingly do much to directly support the HK protests myself either. Since not giving my dollars to Blizzard isn't satiating enough as means for change, think of it more as personal choice based on morality then.
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Oct 9, 2019 01:49
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teagone posted:Lots of people are now reconsidering giving money to Blizzard. That can be more effective than violence. I personally can't give my dollars and support to a company that has maneuvered itself against human rights in an attempt to maintain its profit margins. gently caress that noise. It's shameful as hell. In a world where I have more games/movies/TV shows/books than I could feasibly make time for and retain employment/a social life/etc it doesn't take much to put me off of a game/company anymore. I have no illusions that I'm making some grand political gesture, but if I have five games to choose between and one is made by a company that does something lovely like this, it's easy to just pick one of the other four. 
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Oct 9, 2019 01:50
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Blizzard's gonna fire whoever did this, I'm sure: https://twitter.com/lackofrealism/status/1181639970332659712
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Ok welp if it’s such a pile of bullshit go commit an act of violence against blizzard and change the world I’m not gonna stop you you fuckin coward
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Is "free Hong Kong" already wordfiltered in game like "gg ez"?
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:Ok welp if it’s such a pile of bullshit go commit an act of violence against blizzard and change the world I’m not gonna stop you you fuckin coward We can all light molotovs together.
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:If a boycott specifically affects shareholder confidence or in fact just the number of consumers in a non China market it would be more effective than violence because capitalism specifically inoculates itself against violence through the state protection of capital, that’s the whole reason why non violent protest is effective Lol imagine having this much credulity.
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It’s not so much Blizzard, it’s your favorite economic system and mine, c a p i t a l i s m
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:Ok welp if it’s such a pile of bullshit go commit an act of violence against blizzard and change the world I’m not gonna stop you you fuckin coward I'm not the right kind of person for that either, I'm just being realistic here
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Pattonesque posted:It’s not so much Blizzard, it’s your favorite economic system and mine, c a p i t a l i s m i have assisted hong kong and defeated capitalism the only way I know how: by not spending money on one american corporation that kowtows to china like blizzard, and instead spending it on another one! perhaps something from the epic game store, or steam, or even the ubisoft launcher!
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Oct 9, 2019 03:55
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Minrad posted:i have assisted hong kong and defeated capitalism the only way I know how: by not spending money on one american corporation that kowtows to china like blizzard, and instead spending it on another one! perhaps something from the epic game store, or steam, or even the ubisoft launcher! Jokes on you. I only ever really played Overwatch. And now I won't! 
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Oct 9, 2019 04:10
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Maybe its not so much about supporting HK as it is about not supporting a company that perceptibly went against human rights? The concerns that it won't help Hong Kong is so weird, wouldn't the concern more be to not tell companies that its ok to do so in our part of the world?
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WirelessPillow posted:Maybe its not so much about supporting HK as it is about not supporting a company that perceptibly went against human rights? It boils down to this, yeah, but goons gotta mock poo poo because that's what goons do. I'm aware this all just a byproduct of  and the mere act of uninstalling OW and Battle.net does absolutely nothing tangible or nets some kind of positive effect to the HK protesters in any way. It's a moral decision to not support a lovely company and stand in solidarity with the HK protesters while I can only realistically be a spectator of their struggle overseas. But by all means, goons can be all HURR DURR you uninstalling OW and Bnet doesn't mean or accomplish anything, I really don't care.
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Oct 9, 2019 04:15
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theres no ethical consumption under captialism, but i still dont feel good about directly supporting a company that is literally oppressing free speech just because it doesnt make the difference on a monetary level doesnt mean i dont have feelings about what a company does, as an individual. if you dont care you dont care tho, more power to you. Hace fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 04:52
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Minrad posted:the whole thing happened because china is the larger market China is actually less than 10% of Blizzard's revenues. They're doing this because 1) The calculation was this would safeguard that 10% without affecting the other 90 at all 2) They think China will be a big boy some day
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Oct 9, 2019 04:52
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If you can derive some form of catharsis from disabling your account or cancelling your sub then why shouldn't you do it? Doing things out of resigned spite is a reward in itself
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its not even out of spite or whatever, it just feels weird supporting a company thats a totalitarian puppet imo
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Oct 9, 2019 04:56
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Minorkos posted:If you can derive some form of catharsis from disabling your account or cancelling your sub then why shouldn't you do it? Doing things out of resigned spite is a reward in itself It's not just that, but yeah, what Hace said. I can't willingly support Blizzard when they went to the lengths they did wrt oppressing free speech and human rights in such calculating fashion. It just feels wrong. Also: https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1181778525025644546 Owns.
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teagone posted:It's not just that, but yeah, what Hace said. I can't willingly support Blizzard when they went to the lengths they did wrt oppressing free speech and human rights in such calculating fashion. It just feels wrong. Also: https://twitter.com/anelson96/status/1181779401169625089?s=20
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This is exploding in a way that I haven't seen in a long while, its pretty impressive.
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Minrad posted:the whole thing happened because china is the larger market Actually China is a drop in the bucket compared to US/EU/Asia as a whole. I don't know where this misconception comes from. Blizzard is making a very small amount of it's money (less than 10%) from China. 1 out of 5 americans/europeans dropping them would hurt them way more than losing all of china would. There is the potential for China to be a larger market someday... but there is also the potential that they just steal all of blizzards ideas and make home grown alternatives.
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Rand Brittain posted:Yeah.
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Oct 9, 2019 10:53
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Holy poo poo it annoys me that I have to consider global politics before logging into my favorite video game.
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https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1181926542080958464 gently caress Blizzard.
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porfiria posted:China is actually less than 10% of Blizzard's revenues. They're doing this because yeah Activision Blizzard is basically counting on this writ large: 
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If you cant see what blizzard did is wrong and you're trying to hold your nose up as "better than thou" because people are choosing to uninstall. the boot tread is on your tounge. It honestly makes me sick seeing people trying to mock people for taking a principled stand on a matter. just because you are too much of a bitch to have a voice doesn't mean you get to mock others into being quiet. like real talk kiss my hairy black rear end. if you're offended by it good. that's the point. gently caress you coward. people cant go over to hong kong and fight in the revolution...so they shouldn't say anything. kindly gently caress off. AkumaHokoru fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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prom candy posted:guess it's back to rocket league for me Rocket League publisher Psyonix was acquired by Epic Games in May. Tencent (which owns a 5% stake in Activision-Blizzard) owns a 48% stake in Epic Games. They also own 90+% of Riot Games (LoL) and are the ones who dealt with the NBA to get NBA games broadcast in China. Enjoy!
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turtlecrunch posted:Rocket League publisher Psyonix was acquired by Epic Games in May. Tencent (which owns a 5% stake in Activision-Blizzard) owns a 48% stake in Epic Games. They also own 90+% of Riot Games (LoL) and are the ones who dealt with the NBA to get NBA games broadcast in China. no ethical consumption etc. etc.
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China is willing to lose the nba because the authority got its feelings hurt the people don't get a say in the decision.
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