Anidav posted:

Thinking emoji that thinks so hard blood comes out of its eyes.

Chicken Parmigiana posted:

Just in case any thread-readers aren’t aware of the criticisms of Extinction Rebellion, here are a few articles. They cover a lot of ground but all mention the objection to getting arrested and cooperating with the police (in order to get arrested??) as a core tactic of XR.

I’m not really anti-XR but I do wonder about their long-term effectiveness. Time will tell of course, but right now there’s a whiff of ‘feelgood activism’ about them that concerns me. Simultaneously I’m encouraged by their existence and growth but wish they were... better. Like actually as radical as they claim to be. (I wouldn’t discourage anyone from choosing to get involved though. But also, be aware that XR aren’t the only climate activism game in town.)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbm3q4/extinction-rebellion-xr-is-shaped-by-middle-class-white-people-it-does-not-serve-people-of-color

https://whysocialmovementsmatter.com/news/2019/10/3/dear-xr-why-not-be-more-honest-with-your-participants

https://thinkingdoingchanging.com/2019/04/18/lets-talk-about-extinction-rebellion/

quote:

For all its apparent novelty, XR embodies the same problems: It overwhelmingly reflects the concerns, priorities, and ideas of middle-class white people in rich countries of the global north. By doing so, it ends up silencing the stories of our communities, who for hundreds of years, have been resisting the root causes of climate change.

bell jar posted:

more like whitestinction whitebellion am i white

Amethyst posted:

Please explain, in concrete terms, exactly how coordinated civil disobedience "silences" indigenous people and people of colour?

GoldStandardConure posted:

I don't know how it is in other states/countries, but XRWA is working very closely with the local indigenous communities, and I believe that XR opened this week of planned disobedience with a welcome to country with the local elders.

Amethyst posted:

https://twitter.com/payalclimate/status/1118170044096184322

LOOK at this poo poo. An XR person privately asked someone if they would like to join. They use it as an opportunity to accurse them of vaguely defined racism? gently caress this.

Anidav posted:

Thinking emoji that thinks so hard blood comes out of its eyes.

quote:

A report from The Australia Institute rejects government claims new dams are not being built, saying at least 20 to 30 large private dams have been constructed in the Murray-Darling basin in recent years.

While information on the number of private dams and the cost of their taxpayer subsidy is limited, the report says “it appears that just two of these dams cost taxpayers nearly $30 million”.

“Over $200 million was spent on dam-related projects [in the Murray-Darling Basin] according to official data, although not all of this will have been specifically on dams,” it says,

Maryanne Slattery, senior water researcher at the institute, said politicians don’t want to talk about these dams because “they do nothing for drought-stricken communities, the health of the river or struggling farmers”.

“These dams have been built on private land and are for the exclusive use of corporate agribusiness, such as Webster Limited,” she said.

The report argues such dams are not the best way to save water. It points to the department of agriculture and water resources saying new dams can save water where they replace shallower ones (which have more evaporation), or where they collect recycled irrigation water.

“However, none of the three case-study dams in this report save water in this way. They are new dams, not replacing smaller, shallower dams. Water stored behind their approximately eight metre high walls would otherwise be stored in public headwater dams around 100 metres deep.”

These dams are designed to divert normal irrigation water and “supplementary water” – not to simply recycle irrigation water, the report says. Thus “they increase both evaporation and irrigation water use”.

Supplementary water is water that is surplus to consumptive needs. It is important environmentally and to downstream users, historically making up almost all the water flowing from the Murrumbidgee into the Murray, the report says.

“With major dams now targeting this water, the Murrumbidgee could be disconnected from the Murray in most years. This has implications for all NSW Basin water users, who are already grappling with how to meet downstream obligations within the Murray’s constraints and with no water coming down the Darling.”

The report says a Canadian pension fund had just been reported as “swooping” on Webster, “with specific mention of a property with one of these new dams”.

“The new dams that Australian taxpayers helped build appear to be highly valued by international investors,” the report says.

BBJoey posted:

I missed that Abbott was appointed to the board of the war memorial, lmao, very cool

Don Dongington posted:

Aren't the courts already throwing out the ridiculous bail conditions on account of them being borderline unconstitutional?*

(until the fuckheads in ALP state govts pass a specific law to make it illegal to do anything other than stand perfectly still in the assigned areas and such, because WE'RE LEARNING THE LESSONS OF 2019)

quote:

The sad boy from Unit Two said, “I lived out at Sunlan’ Lan’ an’ Cattle Company’s place. Honest to God, they got a cop for ever’ ten people. Got one water faucet for ’bout two hundred people.”

Amethyst posted:

Please explain, in concrete terms, exactly how coordinated civil disobedience "silences" indigenous people and people of colour?

JBP posted:

It's just ridiculous whining that it's exclusive to people with the privilege to participate

GoldStandardConure posted:

also its not true, there are plenty of groups within XR that are open to people who don't want to get arrested, as I've mentioned earlier.

The Peccadillo posted:

Is this group genuinely run by cops, they seem to have pretty mutual goals in regards to organising?

The Peccadillo posted:

Is this group genuinely run by cops, they seem to have pretty mutual goals in regards to organising?

Amethyst posted:

Please explain, in concrete terms, exactly how coordinated civil disobedience "silences" indigenous people and people of colour?

bell jar posted:

Jonah Galtberg posted:

“being willing to put yourself at risk of prosecution is white privilege” is not a take that’s unique to this thread by any means, there are a lot of stupid people out there

Amethyst posted:

Just....look at this again. This person was INVITED to join and contribute to the movement. To be listened to and included. They treated it as an opportunity to publicly shame that behavior? Why? Why not respond with your concerns instead? This is narcissistic wokeness exhibitionism. I'm glad they have removed themselves from the actual relevant political moment.

thatbastardken posted:

not having a reasonable fear of being brutalized or killed at the hands of police is white privilege, but using your privileged status to benefit others is good.

Anidav posted:

I like how the federal election result made Queensland Labor so broke brained that Annastacia Palaszczuk is now Judge Dredd throwing hippies into the cubes.

Hmmmm.

I think I hate the Labor Party.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

yes thank you it is very important to make people acutely aware of their original sin and to keep that tension bubbling along while in the middle of what should be a mutual struggle for survival

Anidav posted:

I like how the federal election result made Queensland Labor so broke brained that Annastacia Palaszczuk is now Judge Dredd throwing hippies into the cubes.

Hmmmm.

I think I hate the Labor Party.

quote:

A transport company seeking lucrative contracts to run Adelaide's public transport networks has shared fake quotes of former Labor ministers in an apparent bid to assist the South Australian Liberal Government press its case for rail privatisation.
An email from Downer Group's manager of government partnerships Sasha Grebe was sent on July 2, 2019, the day after SA Transport Minister Stephan Knoll announced the outsourcing.

...

Mr Grebe, who was Scott Morrison's communications director until 2017, sent the email to recipients including an official from Mr Knoll's department.
"These might be helpful," Mr Grebe wrote, going on to detail a series of quotes attributed to Labor frontbenchers Tom Koutsantonis and Stephen Mullighan in 2014.
The quotes — which were fabricated — state the former Labor government was considering a partial privatisation of rail services.

Solemn Sloth posted:

I love the pigs being about how their resources are being severely stretched by climate protests

Yes, that’s the loving point you dipshits