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Sagebrush posted:i would expect that you can also set the weather locally so you don't have to wait for december if you want to fly in the snow. they're planning on having all 44,000 airports in the world available so probability is good you can just find an airport that it happens to be snowing at
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Sagebrush posted:i am sure there will be at some point. there are a number of historical airports that people might want to fly to (meigs field, kai tak, etc) and someone will cater to that market. this post jogged a memory of reading the game manual for Flight Unlimited (1995) way back in the day. it had explanations of all these aerodynamic and gyroscopic effects, how they would affect the handling of the planes, how different stunt maneuvers actually worked aerodynamically. I miss fat game manuals
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Jenny Agutter posted:this post jogged a memory of reading the game manual for Flight Unlimited (1995) way back in the day. it had explanations of all these aerodynamic and gyroscopic effects, how they would affect the handling of the planes, how different stunt maneuvers actually worked aerodynamically. I miss fat game manuals I miss enormous cardboard boxes that ultimately bore a single jewel case.
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i watched the preview video again and hnngngngngnnhhhhhh i want this thing so bad e: it's also made me look at Bing Maps aerial photography around the world to see what sort of scenery to expect, and holy poo poo. i can zoom in and see some random farmer's motorcycle outside his shack in the outskirts of rajasthan. if something house-sized or larger exists anywhere in the real world it looks like you'll be able to find it in the game Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 05:01
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Sagebrush posted:i watched the preview video again and hnngngngngnnhhhhhh i want this thing so bad even if it is not particularly good as a flight sim it will be interesting just for the loving high quality scenery maybe mods will be generated to make it back into a good flight sim
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the info in the previews all suggests it will be a Really Good flight sim. they know the right things to say, anyway, and they haven't said anything to suggest that they're chasing the casual/gamified market. like, it will support simplified operations for people who don't want to do the clicky cockpits, but apparently they're implementing that by having all the switches click themselves at the appropriate times rather than just simplifying the model. there's even going to be a guided/intermediate mode where switches will be highlighted and your viewpoint will shift to look at it when you're supposed to do something with it. it sounds super great to me
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Oct 9, 2019 05:22
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and man, imagine if they put military planes in it? no need to ever build another combat flight simulator. want to fly a virtual mission to nuke korea well uhhh you just put your planes in korea and go for it. the terrain and buildings and airfields are already there. bing maps even has car- and shrub-level resolution of pyongyang, somehow. microsoft probably won't do that though. they took the world trade center out of fs2002, which was released a month after 9/11, and no version since has had it (out of the box). there's even a flight sim grognard conspiracy theory that if you fly an airliner into a national landmark the simulator will phone home and alert the nsa, lol
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Oct 9, 2019 05:29
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Sagebrush posted:there's even a flight sim grognard conspiracy theory that if you fly an airliner into a national landmark the simulator will phone home and alert the nsa, lol i hope this is actually true because lol i spent so much time destroying landmarks in ye olde f-22
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i spent so much time destroying landmarks in ye olde f-22 lightning 3 was even better  sim developers are real squirmy about putting nukes in their games for some reason. like the DCS developers, who are usually incredibly anal about accurately simulating every system (your virtual teeth will start chattering if you don't put the cabin heat up on a cold day) refuse to put in nuclear weapons "because using them is unconscionable" or something. as if everything everyone does in a combat sim isn't already a war crime.
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Sagebrush posted:sim developers are real squirmy about putting nukes in their games for some reason. like the DCS developers, who are usually incredibly anal about accurately simulating every system (your virtual teeth will start chattering if you don't put the cabin heat up on a cold day) refuse to put in nuclear weapons "because using them is unconscionable" or something. as if everything everyone does in a combat sim isn't already a war crime. we need the carmageddon of flight sims just war crimes, as a game, with point scores for being the biggest imperialist / genocidaire
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on the other side, you have X-plane which is built by maybe 5 people and is focused on the aerodynamics modeling engine at the expense of absolutely everything else, to the point where they're just now getting around to making it not single-core, and are in the process of moving the engine over to Vulkan/Metal. Oh you want actual scenery and terrain data? Okay you gotta run some shell scripts from a German dude which scrapes OSM and Google Maps and hope you don't trip some unknowable rate limit, then edit a bunch of .ini files and hope you put the scenery in the right place and numbered it in the right order. If you're really lucky, someone's still seeding a 300 GB scenery pack on BitTorrent of the area you want. You still have to download the 3D object files for the houses for this pack btw, or the world just becomes a grey blob with oceans and just the runways
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Jimmy Carter posted:on the other side, you have X-plane which is built by maybe 5 people and is focused on the aerodynamics modeling engine at the expense of absolutely everything else, to the point where they're just now getting around to making it not single-core, and are in the process of moving the engine over to Vulkan/Metal. even if the new flight simulator isn't perfect i think we can expect a whole shitload of community work to develop mods / sims that use the flight scenery in all kinds of cool new things
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It's pretty clear at this point that one of the major features which got cut was a quality synthetic ATC system, but here's hoping that they'll make the Bing AI Controller the highlight of the 2022 version or whatever. X-Plane's is very bad though, and will not hesitate to vector you into the side of a mountain. It Would Be Cool If MS decided to have their hardware team get back into flight sim controllers, since the last good force-feedback joystick was the Sidewinder from like 2002.
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look at this poo poo. this is a zoom into a random spot in the middle of paraguay. you could be flying literally anywhere in the world and pick which direction to approach a field for an emergency landing based on whether it's been plowed. i really hope they don't gently caress this up because good lord
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I know I'm going to regret getting a good answer for this but what's a good joystick for a noob to get for this game?
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Sagebrush posted:and man, imagine if they put military planes in it? no need to ever build another combat flight simulator. want to fly a virtual mission to nuke korea well uhhh you just put your planes in korea and go for it. the terrain and buildings and airfields are already there. bing maps even has car- and shrub-level resolution of pyongyang, somehow. They need to license the rights to include airplane models from their respective manufacturers and if it's anything like putting real car models in driving games, civil airplane manufacturers may not be ok with their planes appearing in a game alongside military aircrafts or in a game where you can destroy things
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Salt Fish posted:I know I'm going to regret getting a good answer for this but what's a good joystick for a noob to get for this game? I got a saitek yoke. it's plasticy, but needs suiting.
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Sagebrush posted:lightning 3 was even better the mig-21 has two different nuclear weapons - they just dont really have a model for them going off. they just kill poo poo in a certain area.
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Sagebrush posted:and man, imagine if they put military planes in it? no need to ever build another combat flight simulator. want to fly a virtual mission to nuke korea well uhhh you just put your planes in korea and go for it. the terrain and buildings and airfields are already there. bing maps even has car- and shrub-level resolution of pyongyang, somehow. it was f’d up when they removed building collisions
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c13VFfHxdc need to get the yospos flight sim gang together
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Lightbulb Out posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c13VFfHxdc hell yeah
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I looked at that saitek yoke it looks dumb as hell I don't want to bolt something to my desk i need a HOTAS please send the HOTAS recommendation ASAP HOTAS please thank you for the HOTAS.
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Salt Fish posted:I looked at that saitek yoke it looks dumb as hell I don't want to bolt something to my desk i need a HOTAS please send the HOTAS recommendation ASAP either you bolt it to your desk, or it has such a huge base that it essentially covers your desk for obvious reasons you need the stick to be, uh, stable
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i have the thrustmaster HOTAS cougar, which is a repro of the f-16 flight sticks, and it's rather heavy, around 4-5 pounds each so it won't move around on your desk. it's one of the few that is heavy enough where it works well, but they're a bit spendy. e: i just looked and they're no longer available at retail, but they have newer models that seem ok but it looks like they're stupid expensive now
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thrustmaster warthog hotas is the only one to consider  yokes suck sorry Lightbulb Out fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Salt Fish posted:I looked at that saitek yoke it looks dumb as hell I don't want to bolt something to my desk i need a HOTAS please send the HOTAS recommendation ASAP if you're on a budget you want the THRUSTMASTER HOT rear end X which costs about $69 [nice] https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PC/dp/B001CXYMFS/ but a better option is the T.16000 which has a linear throttle and feels more solid, though it costs twice as much https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA if you have an unlimited budget the Warthog is fantastic and weighs literally like 20 pounds and has a split throttle for multi-engine planes and such. you will also need rudder pedals with this one (the other two have pseudo-rudder axes built into the stick). https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960720-Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog/dp/B00371R8P4 it even has addon grips that cost as much as the whole system for if you really desperately need that sort of accuracy. here is one for an f/a-18 (the stock one is a replica of what's in the A-10 or F-16C) https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-18-Grip-Add-PC/dp/B07H1Z3L67/ saitek stuff is generally kind of chintzy. logitech stuff is rebranded saitek these days and is not significantly better, but if you're on a super budget you can buy just the Logitech Xtreme 3D Pro which is a real logitech design from their old days and it is still good for 30 dollars. Lightbulb Out posted:thrustmaster warthog hotas is the only one to consider yokes are actually nicer than sticks imo because they're much more precise but plastic flight sim yokes are really annoying because they don't have the correct amount of travel. a real airplane yoke moves about 12 inches in pitch and turns 90 degrees each way; a cheap sim yoke turns 45 degrees and moves 4 inches and that's frustrating. i am building myself a custom one that has the full range of motion and uses a real yoke handgrip from a cessna 150 because i'm extra. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Lightbulb Out posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c13VFfHxdc i will definitely help troll this game with a bunch of yosposters the ATC servers usually ban you for obvious griefing like LOL DECLARING HIJACKING EVERYONE OUT OF MY WAY, but there are much more subtle and entertaining things to do, like get a gang of 12 people in piper cubs and all fly to the same airport at the same time and poo poo up the traffic pattern and make the airliner spergs have to keep going around because they can't slow down enough to follow you in
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Sagebrush posted:yokes are actually nicer than sticks imo because they're much more precise but plastic flight sim yokes are really annoying because they don't have the correct amount of travel. a real airplane yoke moves about 12 inches in pitch and turns 90 degrees each way; a cheap sim yoke turns 45 degrees and moves 4 inches and that's frustrating. i am building myself a custom one that has the full range of motion and uses a real yoke handgrip from a cessna 150 because i'm extra. yeah the point being a snob about is that real airplanes have sticks. much preferred flying the n3n with a stick than the 172 with a yoke
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yeah, i know the snobbery -- real airplanes are taildraggers with a stick. which is why there are more tricycle-gear yoke-operated planes in the world by an enormous margin, and why there are more c172s specifically than any other aircraft. i'd attribute your experience to the c172 specifically being kind of a boring turd. like it's fine but that's all it is. the 150-sized cessnas are really light and pleasant in comparison (if you can fit inside, no fatties) and you can fly them with two fingers.
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As a yosposter you should know that my budget for "stuff I can't show a girlfriend, if I had one, which I don't" is virtually unlimited. Pretty impressive writeup and very helpful thank you 
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the 210 was fun, though only rode in that one while doing air to air photography. i just got a warthog hotass and have been waiting impatiently for dcs world steam sales really looking forward to doing some sim-flying with a more realistic world
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Lightbulb Out posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c13VFfHxdc hot dang that’s pretty
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Lightbulb Out posted:really looking forward to doing some sim-flying with a more realistic world the most fun i've had in flight sims in a long time is flying the dcs f-14 as RIO (goose) with a friend in front as the pilot (maverick). i would kill to be able to do that in this new MSFS world map. let me do a Red Dawn mission where we have to fly from montana to seattle and shoot down migs over the space needle. goddamn. so cool
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HOTAS shows up tomorrow, already got my pedals and my friends are downloading DCS so that we can have a 'start the engine" race on discord.
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Sagebrush posted:meigs field i had to look this up and i was not disappointed quote:In a controversial and illegal move on the night of Sunday, March 30, 2003, Mayor Daley ordered city crews to destroy the runway immediately by bulldozing large X-shaped gouges into the runway surface in the middle of the night.[14]
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Sagebrush posted:which plane? I got the warthog hotas, so I got the A-10 DLC for DCS to check out how it maps. DCS is a real pain in the rear end though. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get things mostly working. I still have a couple issues with the mouse-camera breaking and losing the ability to use f1, f2 etc to pick which camera I want, and whenever you quit DCS it automatically relaunches until you ctr+alt+del it. Overall though pretty neat. In about an hour I was able to takeoff from runway, do a circle, touch and go. I haven't figured out what button turns on the airbrake yet but I think I can land if I look up the hotkey. I'll mess around with it some more tomorrow and see how it goes.
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i think airbrake is B by default, but it should also be mapped to the gray 3-way thumb switch (locks forward, momentary back) on the throttle. DCS is the biggest pain in the rear end and i don't think i have had a single multiplayer session where something didn't go wrong. at the very least you will have connection desync errors and it's likely that you will just immediately explode on spawning for no apparent reason. it's the DCS Experience (tm) but it's still by far the best high-fidelity combat jet sim out there and when everything comes together it's magnificent. it's a lot like arma that way. nothing quite like it when it works, but "it works" will be 5-10% of the time
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Salt Fish posted:I got the warthog hotas, so I got the A-10 DLC for DCS to check out how it maps. DCS is a real pain in the rear end though. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get things mostly working. I still have a couple issues with the mouse-camera breaking and losing the ability to use f1, f2 etc to pick which camera I want, and whenever you quit DCS it automatically relaunches until you ctr+alt+del it. typically the airbrake is one of the rockers on the throttle. at least - that's how it comes stock set up on a couple other places.
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