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https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1181929937659482112 https://mobile.twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1181929304298590208
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Oct 9, 2019 15:21
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Asema posted:Bush was hated, well known to be a liar, and had numerous smokes going up about how it was all bullshit. People knew. People knew the extent of what he was doing but didn't have any way of proving it. The poo poo after-the-fact just gave the proof of what people knew. That's massively different from what you are saying here. A few people knew, most people, even some of Bush's harshest critics, really did not appreciate the depth of evil he was spreading. And to be honest a lot of people were either so naive or so caught up in their own lives that they genuinely did not want to know and would get extremely upset if you tried to tell them. Circa ~2006 you would be run right out most political conversations for even suggesting Bush was using torture or running secret CIA black sites or spying domestically.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:23
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm sure that was a very traumatic experience for her, but again, she's 33... It's extremely loving easy to not pay attention to politics, stop being weird as hell. The last year Bush was president, she was 22 and not paying attention to politics. Then, she lived her life and didn't go back and review his presidency until now! Why is this so weird.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:23
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Rex-Goliath posted:Is this real? In some dusty, South Carolina attic there is an oil painting of a healthy, handsome and selfless immigration attorney.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:24
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teen witch posted:Like Jesus Christ JAJ is really decent on a lot of things, god forbid she’s learning now, loving take a hike. Hey man you are real hostile here for no reason. I'm not even attacking JAJ in my post at all and all I'm doing out is information presented about Bush, which I will remind you that in my statement it boiled down to "We all knew, we just couldn't prove it" which was seen at the time by record breaking protests in both the US and the UK. Again, there's 0 reason for you to be this defensive over my post.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:24
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The Bunk posted:Fake but he still looks like poo poo & Ken Jennings stole the obvious joke. would've gone for a fifth element joke.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:25
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Prester Jane posted:Circa ~2006 you would be run right out most political conversations for even suggesting Bush was using torture or running secret CIA black sites or spying domestically. And the patriot act had a LOT of ineffectual debate around it. These were, to say the least, fairly well known and discussed subjects.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:25
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Nail Rat posted:There are some in the US (especially Tennessee) whom I'd imagine will soon be in concentration camps. Hopefully I'm wrong but it seems like the administration would now peg them as being "dangerous." Huh, good to know the "especially Tennessee" part, I accidentally drove up to a Turkish festival near Percy Priest Lake a decade back, I didn't know it was because there were so many in the state. ...why are so many in the state, if I was a minority in the US Tennessee would not be my first destination
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Oct 9, 2019 15:26
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Martian posted:'The rest of NATO' is basically the EU, who will certainly say the violence needs to stop, blah blah blah, but who have basically no military projection power or other means to stop what is happening. The bolded is very much not true --- the French in particular interfere in all sorts of ways around Africa, often in dubious ways. (What the heck is up with supporting, along with Russia, a geriatric warlord in Libya, for example?)
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Oct 9, 2019 15:27
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Jesus Christ. How the gently caress can anyone be okay with this
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Oct 9, 2019 15:27
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theflyingorc posted:Huh, good to know the "especially Tennessee" part, I accidentally drove up to a Turkish festival near Percy Priest Lake a decade back, I didn't know it was because there were so many in the state. TN accepted a lot of refugees at one point. I worked with many in food service when I was in Knoxville for a few years; every time you hear someone say that immigrants and refugees are some of the most under-appreciated and hardest working people, it really doesn't do them justice. They were the best to work with.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:28
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Prester Jane posted:A few people knew, most people, even some of Bush's harshest critics, really did not appreciate the depth of evil he was spreading. And to be honest a lot of people were either so naive or so caught up in their own lives that they genuinely did not want to know and would get extremely upset if you tried to tell them. Circa ~2006 you would be run right out most political conversations for even suggesting Bush was using torture or running secret CIA black sites or spying domestically.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:28
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Xander77 posted:That's extremely false? Like a huge part of McCain's "the good republican" myth, for instance, was about having the immense moral fortitude to go "yeah, I think torture is bad actually". Bush's torture program was a massive secret for years, and I don't think it was until Obama's "we tortured some folks" that it was really admitted that we had in fact been torturing people.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:28
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So where do the Kurdish refugees go? Southern Syria? Iraq? God willing somewhere the soon to be resurgent ISIS can't find them.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:29
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I feel like the Dems should be seizing on the Kurdish situation as a reason to really speed along with the impeachment inquiry. Emphasize that people are dying, right now, because of the corruption of president Trump, which makes it all the more important that the documents be received, the investigation proceed, subpoenas be immediately enforced, so that this can be stop. Some Republicans actually are upset about this. It could be a vital tool. Especially since it too is almost certainly due to some sort of corrupt actions on the part of the President, and it should be easy to ascertain once the documents are acquired. It's a situation where every day matters, and Trumps rampant obstructionism shouldn't be tolerated. Goddamn it, we have processes specifically to deal with this sort of situation, come on Dems just loving use them. Good people are dying, right now, waiting on you to do something.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:30
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FizFashizzle posted:God willing somewhere the soon to be resurgent ISIS can't find them. https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1181934374511677440?s=20
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Oct 9, 2019 15:30
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They're going to be massacred.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:32
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Prester Jane posted:Bush's torture program was a massive secret for years, and I don't think it was until Obama's "we tortured some folks" that it was really admitted that we had in fact been torturing people.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:32
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If Trump manages to undo the defeat of ISIS that'll...that'll be something
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Oct 9, 2019 15:32
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This is going to end up bringing back the really bad take of "just nuke them all anyway HEH" jokes But hey at least this time flash is dead and I don't think newgrounds is as popular so all the really dumb terrorist hunter/bush flash games won't be around
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Oct 9, 2019 15:33
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1181929937659482112
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Oct 9, 2019 15:33
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FizFashizzle posted:They're going to be massacred. https://twitter.com/Harryslaststand/status/1181939873378377729?s=20 meanwhile in trump land https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181937134548258818
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Oct 9, 2019 15:33
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GlyphGryph posted:Some Republicans actually are upset about this. It could be a vital tool. Especially since it too is almost certainly due to some sort of corrupt actions on the part of the President, and it should be easy to ascertain once the documents are acquired. Give the Republicans about a day and they'll figure out how this was a good decision. Hell, Rand Paul is already ahead of the pack.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:34
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Wark Say posted:Oh, I remember this! Even in my own dumb teenager/young adult years. It got to the point that even the goddamn euphemism became common knowledge as BS. According to that link it looks like it wasn't until about 2006 that the torture started to be reported by mainstream sources: quote:In 2006, senior law enforcement agents with the Criminal Investigation Task Force told MSNBC.com that they began to complain in 2002 inside the U.S. Department of Defense that the interrogation tactics used in Guantanamo Bay by a separate team of military intelligence investigators were unproductive, not likely to produce reliable information, and probably illegal. Unable to get satisfaction from the army commanders running the detainee camp, they took their concerns to David Brant, director of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), who alerted Navy General Counsel Alberto J. Mora
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Oct 9, 2019 15:34
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theflyingorc posted:If Trump manages to undo the defeat of ISIS that'll...that'll be something Do you trust anyone to cover that if it happens though?
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Oct 9, 2019 15:34
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Rex-Goliath posted:Is this real? 
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Oct 9, 2019 15:35
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ISIS is about to come back in force.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:36
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Mooseontheloose posted:Do you trust anyone to cover that if it happens though? ISIS is very effective at making themselves difficult to ignore. When they start uploading videos of kurdish children being pulled apart by tanks, it'll be impossible to ignore. At which point it'll be Obama's fault.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:36
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SubG posted:Is this some alternate reality where Abu Ghraib wasn't a huge story in 2004? I mean it was, but then we punished some of the people at the prison responsible for it and didnt bother punishing the rest of the chain of command for condoning/encouraging it, and it went away.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:36
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Prester Jane posted:A few people knew, most people, even some of Bush's harshest critics, really did not appreciate the depth of evil he was spreading. And to be honest a lot of people were either so naive or so caught up in their own lives that they genuinely did not want to know and would get extremely upset if you tried to tell them. Circa ~2006 you would be run right out most political conversations for even suggesting Bush was using torture or running secret CIA black sites or spying domestically. what
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Oct 9, 2019 15:37
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/Harryslaststand/status/1181939873378377729?s=20 This is absolutely awful, and this idiot fucker did it for two dumb ugly buildings in Istanbul and as a distraction that didn't even loving work I hate him so god drat much
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Oct 9, 2019 15:37
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Prester Jane posted:Bush's torture program was a massive secret for years, and I don't think it was until Obama's "we tortured some folks" that it was really admitted that we had in fact been torturing people. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030202054_pf.html I'm not even talking about Abu Gharib, just about mainstream Republican conversations.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:37
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Currently Abu Ghraib is the worst post a military policeman could get, and everybody posted there hates it because the inmates throw feces at them.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:37
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Angry_Ed posted:I mean it was, but then we punished some of the people at the prison responsible for it and didnt bother punishing the rest of the chain of command for condoning/encouraging it, and it went away. I distinctly remember the phrase "a few bad apples" being thrown around a whole bunch about Abu ghraib.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:37
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Telsa Cola posted:Its a Good Place joke. Hahaha I'm an idiot. I love The Good Place and still completely missed it.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:37
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SubG posted:Is this some alternate reality where Abu Ghraib wasn't a huge story in 2004? The torture memos also came out in 2004. Of course W was still re-elected, so it's not so accurate to say the torture was secret so much that a large fraction of the public was on-board or at the very least tolerated the practice. I should comment outside of the US and the associated media reality distortion it was generally very clear what the Bush admin was up to, including the motivation for the Iraq War being transparently false. Also Trump has managed to directly cause innocent people to die. At least, more innocent people than before.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:38
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Prester Jane posted:Bush's torture program was a massive secret for years, and I don't think it was until Obama's "we tortured some folks" that it was really admitted that we had in fact been torturing people. It took years for the details of the CIA waterboarding program and the torture at gitmo to come out but the torture program and abuses at Abu Ghraib were reported on as early as 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse - note link contains pictures of torture quote:In June 2003, Amnesty International published reports of human rights abuses by the U.S. military and its coalition partners at detention centers and prisons in Iraq.[26] These included reports of brutal treatment at Abu Ghraib prison, which had once been used by the government of Saddam Hussein, and had been taken over by the United States after the invasion. quote:On December 21, 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union released copies of internal memoranda from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that it had obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. These discussed torture and abuse at prisons in Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, and Iraq. One memorandum dated May 22, 2004 was from an individual described as the "On Scene Commander – Baghdad," but whose name had been redacted.[32] This individual referred explicitly to an Executive Order that sanctioned the use of extraordinary interrogation tactics by U.S. military personnel. quote:The Bush administration did not initially acknowledge the abuses at Abu Ghraib. After the pictures were published and the evidence became incontrovertible, the initial reaction from the administration characterized the scandal as an isolated incident uncharacteristic of U.S. actions in Iraq.[9] Bush described the abuses as the actions of a few individuals, who were disregarding the values of the US.[9] This view was widely disputed, notably in Arab countries. In addition, the International Red Cross had been making representations about abuse of prisoners for more than a year before the scandal broke.[82] Vice President Dick Cheney's office had played a central role in eliminating limits on coercion in U.S. custody, commissioning and defending legal opinions that the administration later portrayed as the initiatives of lower-ranking officials.[83] skylined! fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 15:38
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ImpAtom posted:Jesus Christ. How the gently caress can anyone be okay with this Well, fittingly, pretty much nobody is. Aside from Trump, Erdogan, and for some reason Rand Paul. Party Plane Jones posted:
I can only assume he's talking about his own election (since that's all he ever talks about)... He does realize he wasn't running against Obama, right?
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Oct 9, 2019 15:39
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My bad, it seems like torture was a bit more widely known a bit earlier than I remembered, but there was definitely a period of time during Bush's presidency where things like the torture or the black sites or the domestic spying were considered conspiracy theorist territory.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:40
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Sir Lemming posted:Well, fittingly, pretty much nobody is. Aside from Trump, Erdogan, and for some reason Rand Paul. Rand Paul is okay with it because "just scary brown non-Americans, what's the big deal?", because he is scum just like his father
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Oct 9, 2019 15:41
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