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Newspapers, even "papers of record," print propaganda all the time and it's not limited to opinion columns. It's just especially horrible when you do it from a guy who also just pledged his government would genocide some folks.
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Trabisnikof posted:Can you point to any examples from WaPo recently of an Op-Eds that is as good as posting an Op-Ed from the leader of a No, I'm not going to trawl through their Opinions section for you and whether I could find anything or not does not actually matter to the point I'm trying to get across.
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Groovelord Neato posted:platforming an opinion is endorsing it. Louder and on the new page for the people who are providing cover
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theflyingorc posted:Trump PROBABLY won't be removed by the Senate Trump being removed is going to require some amazing self-destruction that directly threatens the senate republicans. We're talking things like actually having Adam Schiff arrested or announcing that he'll institute mandatory abortions in exchange for democrats stopping impeachment. Trump's working on it; I think by Thanksgiving we'll have a much better idea if he'll manage to shoot himself in the foot enough to get republican senators on board.
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Is CNN talking about Biden giving a big speech and showing it silently in a box mean they're loving him or saving him?
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theflyingorc posted:The issue is that opinions aren't supposed to have the weight of reporting, but in actuality, it's really close. Even if you don't condone it, it FEELS like you do if you print it without specific disclaimers. Particularly when the title of the piece, "The World Must Support Turkey's Plan For Northeastern Syria," is featured prominently on the frontpage. There's no defending this; the Post is garbage and morally bankrupt. gently caress them. e: Or, more succinctly: Groovelord Neato posted:platforming an opinion is endorsing it.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:A huge problem with the Mueller stuff is that things would go radio silent for months at a time killing any potential momentum. And then when it finally came out it was a letdown that the GOP was prepared to deal with. Also that Bill Barr's initial "summary" completely mislead the media and they somehow weren't calling for his resignation when the actual report vastly contradicted what he said
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Objurium posted:
One of the biggest weaknesses of true democracy is that it protects those internally that wish to see it destroyed. Our pseudo-democracy is even more vulnerable
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Ogmius815 posted:I don’t necessarily agree with the practice. I just want to head off the inevitable “WaPo published terrible opinions and is therefore Fake News Media biased against the left” at the pass because the opinion section and news sections are separate. You........ you. realize the Post chooses which peices to publish right? They don't print every op-ed that's send in. I wonder what reasons they use when choosing......
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I want to be clear that my post at the top of the page is saying papers publish propaganda constantly but also publishing that piece is hellaciously egregious.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:42
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Random Stranger posted:Trump being removed is going to require some amazing self-destruction that directly threatens the senate republicans. We're talking things like actually having Adam Schiff arrested or announcing that he'll institute mandatory abortions in exchange for democrats stopping impeachment. Trump's working on it; I think by Thanksgiving we'll have a much better idea if he'll manage to shoot himself in the foot enough to get republican senators on board. Trump has moved on from shooting himself on the foot. He is busy working his way up the legs and it is only a matter of time before he shoots his balls off.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:49
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https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1181899106299584513 https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1181981425718964232 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1181971350602297344 https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1181963082572189703
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Oct 9, 2019 18:50
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loving ghouls. Evil, corrupt monsters every last one of them.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:52
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Senate Republicans are all in at this point, they simply cannot vote to impeach... If things get way out of hand they will just quietly hope he loses 2020
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Oct 9, 2019 18:53
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Just in case it was clear, I don't approve of the New York Times running that opinion piece. Just responding to the person who commented about whether they were running similar articles for the other side with the closest that I could find. "Opinion pieces" are a plague.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:55
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Dog Friday posted:Senate Republicans are all in at this point, they simply cannot vote to impeach... If things get way out of hand they will just quietly hope he loses 2020 I want to know what happens in 2024 or 2028, do republicans put up a "trump like" figure or do they attempt to put someone less extreme
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Oct 9, 2019 19:01
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I want to know what happens in 2024 or 2028, do republicans put up a "trump like" figure or do they attempt to put someone less extreme i mean i assume trump just runs again you can't really put the genie back in the bottle of everyone realizing the republican base will vote for the open racist over the coded racist though
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Oct 9, 2019 19:03
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I want to know what happens in 2024 or 2028, do republicans put up a "trump like" figure or do they attempt to put someone less extreme it's the real question, tbh. who's the follow-up act. if they wanted a Trump 2, who would it be? guy appears to be following the Obama playbook in a way that is genuinely to our advantage, insofar as his approach to building any kind of infrastructure to outlive him has been "apres moi, le deluge"
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Oct 9, 2019 19:04
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's the real question, tbh. who's the follow-up act. if they wanted a Trump 2, who would it be? I have a feeling Trump Jr will run
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Oct 9, 2019 19:05
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In 2024 Republicans put up a Tom Cotton figure, probably Tom Cotton himself.
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Either Trey Gowdy is so dumb he suddenly wants the worst lawyering job in the country, which is guaranteed to go badly for him and possibly get him disbarred, even though he has a long and extensive track record of saying poo poo (eg Benghazi) that will run directly counter to every argument he is now forced to make, further making this task Sisyphean, OR (literally infinite small chance of this, I'm just trying to think of something smarter); He's taking the job so he can get a look at all of the documents and then go "gee this is all clearly illegal" and then crime-fraud himself out of there and expose Trump because it would make him look good, kind of like Romney and Amash are trying to do. I mean we all know Gowdy is dumb as gently caress so it's definitely #1, I'm just astounded at how far the definition of dumb has stretched for him personally. This is Louie Gohmert levels of dumb.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's the real question, tbh. who's the follow-up act. if they wanted a Trump 2, who would it be? Plus, how much of his "infrastructure" is his personal twitter account? He's not going to turn that over to the party or let anyone else borrow it.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:07
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evilweasel posted:i mean i assume trump just runs again Do you really think fat man will be alive and not in a wheelchair in 2024
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Oct 9, 2019 19:08
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's the real question, tbh. who's the follow-up act. if they wanted a Trump 2, who would it be? Steve King - Iowan Confederate?
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He allows their legislative agenda to work out as long as everything isn't gummed up by Democrats standing up for themselves so he either keeps running as is, or if he really does titanically poo poo the bed and get impeached they try to find someone that hits the same racism buttons but is smart enough to play ball.
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There's no shortage of fascists in the Republican party. What I'm not sure if they can replicate is someone with the same intense, vile charisma that Trump has for their world. They love him because he's performatively vulgar and cruel in a way that no other politician has ever been.
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I don't know who's going to run after Trump, but I do know that lots of people are taking note of how much outright authoritarianism this administration has gotten away with despite being filled with the most incompetent people imaginable.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:10
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Ershalim posted:Is there an age limit where you aren't allowed to learn new things any more? There are plenty of 50-60 year old people in the US who have no concept that Bush ever did anything wrong. The people in this thread are generally better informed than the vast majority of any population of people. Most people have stuff in their lives that's way more important to them than the political structure of the country they live in -- let alone the ones of countries they don't. That's seriously frustrating when you need their help to get a political movement going via a general strike or public action, but they aren't bad people for not being involved in something that does its level best to exclude them from it. Has Jameela Jamil been "punished" in literally any way aside from being sorta mocked on loving twitter? If posting that I just figured out George Bush Jr was a shithead on twitter in 2019 and then being made fun of and then watching my critically acclaimed tv show tonight is the worst thing that happens to me today I'd call that a win for the day. I'm sure my day will be worse.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:There's no shortage of fascists in the Republican party. What I'm not sure if they can replicate is someone with the same intense, vile charisma that Trump has for their world. They love him because he's performatively vulgar and cruel in a way that no other politician has ever been. Dan Crenshaw, probably. He's young, he loves the taste of fascist boot, and the right considers him their anti-AOC (even though he's a complete moron who can't hold a candle to her intellectually).
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Flip Yr Wig posted:There's no shortage of fascists in the Republican party. What I'm not sure if they can replicate is someone with the same intense, vile charisma that Trump has for their world. They love him because he's performatively vulgar and cruel in a way that no other politician has ever been. eh trump's appeal seems to boil down to two things. first, he's an open and proud bigot instead of a coded bigot, which meshes well with his base who is upset by their leaders trying to paper over their fervently held racist, sexist, et al beliefs. second, and this tends to get forgotten, trump ran against the usual republican economic platform. he completely abandoned that last part, but it was a big part of both his primary win and his general election win. the republican economic platform is hilariously unpopular even among republicans.
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1glitch0 posted:Has Jameela Jamil been "punished" in literally any way aside from being sorta mocked on loving twitter? If posting that I just figured out George Bush Jr was a shithead on twitter in 2019 and then being made fun of and then watching my critically acclaimed tv show tonight is the worst thing that happens to me today I'd call that a win for the day. I'm sure my day will be worse. Can we not play the oppression Olympics, please? This is really loving gross.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:14
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Oct 9, 2019 19:15
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evilweasel posted:eh I feel like it will be harder for someone running against the economic platform to break through the weeding process that gets you a prominent place in the Republican national primary without an outside source of wealth or celebrity.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:16
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evilweasel posted:eh And his base is too stupid to realize that he turned around and stabbed them in the back on almost all of his economic proposals. The only thing he really did is try to gently caress over brown people, and the fact that his base still supports him shows that it wasn't really about the economy, stupid. The last election was a referendum on institutional racism and the good side lost.
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SchrodingersCat posted:And his base is too stupid to realize that he turned around and stabbed them in the back on almost all of his economic proposals. The only thing he really did is try to gently caress over brown people, and the fact that his base still supports him shows that it wasn't really about the economy, stupid. The last election was a referendum on institutional racism and the good side lost. im not sure i agree. point 2 was a big source of his appeal to the people he swung from obama that put him over the top, and enough of those people seem to have swung back after he tried to blow up obamacare and then passed the tax cut. remember, he is down quite a lot in the polls compared to election day 2016!
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