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Grand Fromage posted:So this is going to be one of those threads that's dumb as hell between episodes, I guess. Grand Fromage posted:When it's over I hope he posts the original outline when it was just supposed to be a movie. I can't even imagine. Anyway, being down on Seasons 2 and 3 despite thinking Season 1 was Television Brilliance has thankfully not done anything to temper my expectations for Season 4. This premiere was 99% perfection. From killing off Portia Doubleday (they wrote her into a corner they seem to refuse to write themselves out of) to the magnificent use of Jake Busey (who I could now see getting an amazing leading dramatic role in a hit new series ala what True Detective did for Matthew McConaughey) to Dom's completely wrecked life and her new portly friend (I was hoping she'd be dark army and I was not disappointed in her use of the word "oval office") to the fantastic cinematography throughout the episode (if you forgot, I was the guy analyzing frame compositions in season 1) I really feel like they might stick the landing this series sorrowfully needed since it began losing its own plot in Season 2. "But why 99%" you ask? Unfortunately, Sam Esmail has not emerged from his own anus. Turning around to reveal his self-insert, looking directly at the audience and saying "goodbye friend" (recall Elliot calls the audience "friend") before injecting Elliot with his yum yum juice was not something he's earned as a director or writer. As an end of the series? Sure. As an end of Season 1? Sure. But as the sole person who wrote and directed Seasons 2 and 3 into the (I believe) backroom copy wannabes of brilliance they were, he should not have shown his face at the premiere of the series finale. It reeks of self-importance and soured that final scene, only to be outdone by separating his Executive Producer credit from the rest of the credits. He may as well have said "goodbye Elliot, character of my hit TV show Mr. Robot, who I created and will now end." His appearance made me laugh at Elliot's death. But I laughed at Angela's death (because they gave up on her plotline) so what the gently caress do I know? Thankfully, that was 1% of the episode, so I can mostly just focus on the amazingness of following Busey into his cab then out to Grand Central, Busey's Matrix-like escape scene inside Grand Central, Darlene's apartment one-shot (the cuts are much more clever and well done than the ones S2/3 had,) and grabbing Elliot from the honeypot apartment. Just fantastic shots all over the place. Hell, even if you take issue with Price going from a hardcore balls of steel character to a whimpering puddle of angry vase-dunking old man, his acting was still on-loving-point for his scene and I loved every second of it. Honestly, all the show has to do is make White Rose's experiment matter and I'll forgive the silliness of an omniscient Dark Army, the flippant way the show kills off major characters, and the inexplicable Angela/White Rose scene from Season 2. I'm looking forward to it with fingers crossed! DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Oct 8, 2019 |
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Esmail wants to set the tone of the season from the start: This will be about revenge. There's nothing left, everyone is dead (Angela), hosed up (Darlene/Dom), or numb to ostensible success (Wellick). It's setting up for a true final showdown arc, and ep1 shows he doesn't want to gently caress around.
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Oct 9, 2019 00:47
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Yeah, I agree with all of this. I didn't know that was Sam Esmail though, what a dork.
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Oct 9, 2019 01:14
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A lot of words, but actually a really good post
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Oct 9, 2019 01:46
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Yeah, sorry, I get up my own rear end about this show because of how good the first season was and how ball-dropped the next two were. Hopefully I can keep going each episode and have some good analysis to bring with each one. We'll see. What I failed to mention that's definitely worth noting is that despite the sorta wishy-washy way the show was going about making a point with season 2 and 3... LuckySevens posted:Esmail wants to set the tone of the season from the start: This will be about revenge.
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Oct 9, 2019 02:00
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I just wanted to second the whole "Jake Busey is great and deserves bigger roles" statement. That was some of the best acting i've seen from him in a long time the other night and I hope he gets bigger roles as a result.
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This is when Busey went from "Shasta McNasty" to "Put this guy in True Detective" https://i.imgur.com/MS5JxFa.mp4 Edit: While trying to find other stuff that's giffable, I've come to the realization that the cinematographer Edit 2: While it's still salient that Sam Esmail said "Goodbye friend" to the camera at the end of episode 4.01, do note that episode 1.01 is titled "eps1.0_hellofriend.mov" DaveKap fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 02:53
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I think that Whiterose’s super sci-fi project isn’t time travel as some have speculated, but is in fact a technological singularity, i.e. she’s building a superintelligent AI. That’s how she can “bring back” Angela’s mother, through an AI simulation. In the final episode Elliot will be confronted with the “real” Mr Robot, a simulation of his father. To be honest, I’m basing a great deal of this on the fact that the letter fallen off the sign in the Allsafe office makes it look like it says “AI safe”.
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Yeah, I’ve always assumed the goal was some sort of trans human singularity.
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I really don't know. They've hinted at time travel a whole lot, but I don't think the time travel/parallel universes theories make sense. Just suddenly springing that on what has otherwise been a grounded, real-world show right at the end is... risky. If it had always been a near-future show with sci-fi elements in it, it'd be one thing. I think building a general AI is just real world enough that could work, though.
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Comrade Fakename posted:To be honest, I’m basing a great deal of this on the fact that the letter fallen off the sign in the Allsafe office makes it look like it says “AI safe”. If you're referring to the scene with Elliot and Mr. Robot in the old All Safe office, 4 letters were missing from the sign on the wall, and when you rearrange them they spell CLUB. Not sure if that will mean anything.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:44
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Grand Fromage posted:When it's over I hope he posts the original outline when it was just supposed to be a movie. I can't even imagine. Yeah, I'd love to see it the concept with no fat. Season 1 was excellent. Season 2/3 were great -- felt a bit padded. Season 4 premiere was excellent. Esmail's strength is not in spinning his wheels. fake edit: 
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cochise posted:To be sure.... that was Sam's character applying the narcan AFTER he doped Elliot up and the fake credits rolled, right? If so I guess Elliot's last second plea worked? 
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Wasn't the first episode of the show called "Hello friend"?
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Krazyface posted:Wasn't the first episode of the show called "Hello friend"? DaveKap posted:Edit 2: While it's still salient that Sam Esmail said "Goodbye friend" to the camera at the end of episode 4.01, do note that episode 1.01 is titled "eps1.0_hellofriend.mov"
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Mr. Robot - S04E02 - Payment Required - Elliot + Darlene come together. Dom gets dark army vibes. Price has answers.
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Oct 14, 2019 00:20
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Here we loving go!!
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Oct 14, 2019 03:00
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Time for more
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Oct 14, 2019 03:01
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Wow gently caress. But what is Zhang's machine under the power plant?????
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Oct 14, 2019 03:05
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Aww, I got spoiled having no commercials last week  haha
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Oct 14, 2019 03:13
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Rageaholic posted:Aww, I got spoiled having no commercials last week I went "Noooooo" as soon as they started.
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Oct 14, 2019 03:14
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gently caress Dom what are you doing??
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Oct 14, 2019 03:24
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It's Janice!
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Oct 14, 2019 03:25
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"Condolences" snowman is awesome
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Oct 14, 2019 03:34
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Haha no kidding. Caught me totally off guard
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Oct 14, 2019 03:36
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Not sure what the best way is to describe the humor in this show, but I love it. 
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Oct 14, 2019 03:37
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Jesus Christ, those connections 
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Oct 14, 2019 03:39
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Wow the Dark Army is legion
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Oct 14, 2019 03:41
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The Christmas setting really adds something to how bleak everything has been so far
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Oct 14, 2019 03:45
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I wonder if the post credits scene in Season 1 was a Deus Group meeting?
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Oct 14, 2019 03:49
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OH poo poo. She told Mr. Robot about Vera and he didn't tell Elliot!
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Oct 14, 2019 04:00
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Does Elliot have a 3rd personality? 4th? 
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Oct 14, 2019 04:01
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Wow that was quite a thing to throw out there
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Oct 14, 2019 04:03
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Uhhh, I have no idea who the third personality could be.
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PunkBoy posted:Uhhh, I have no idea who the third personality could be. The audience? 
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cochise posted:The audience? That's the only thing I can think of, but we somehow told Darlene to not worry about Vera? 
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PunkBoy posted:That's the only thing I can think of, but we somehow told Darlene to not worry about Vera? Chaos/comedy option: Tyrell is the third.
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cochise posted:Chaos/comedy option: Tyrell is the third. I mean, the final scene of this episode took place in the room from the beginning of season 1 where Tyrell offers Elliot a job.
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Oct 14, 2019 05:23
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So Price had Eliot killed but changed his mind in the last episode? Or did he make a show of it for Whiterose and come in after he recorded his fake death to revive him? Also are the mom and kid Eliot actually existing in this reality? I wonder what corporate building they were at
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Foppish Yet Dashing posted:I mean, the final scene of this episode took place in the room from the beginning of season 1 where Tyrell offers Elliot a job. Oh well that answers the last part of my question
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