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Frijolero posted:Topple Assad silly oh yeah i forgot about that, who is even left to takeover
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this is just going to be mad max where there's like ten factions fighting each other, great job
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Darkman Fanpage posted:https://twitter.com/ridvanbolgi/status/1181974994374549506?s=19 there's actually still a very good reason not to do that, which is that the US won't let them see, the US 'abandoning the kurds' doesn't mean the US troops have actually physically left Syria, they're still there, they just are no longer in the specific locations Turkey is attacking. There's still US troops in bases scattered around SDF-controlled territory, and while they're absolutely not going to lift a finger to actually defend their supposed allies, you better believe they'll jump into action double quick if the Kurds decide to do something with that oil the US doesn't approve of
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Mister Bates posted:there's actually still a very good reason not to do that, which is that the US won't let them you think? how many thousands of US troops are there in SDF territory again?
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Don;t worry guys, Pompeo is on the case in Syria https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1181902492059209728?s=20 of trying to enforce bullshit sanctions on government controlled areas
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Terrorist Oil
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Kurnugia posted:you think? how many thousands of US troops are there in SDF territory again? few thousand at most, few enough that the SDF could hypothetically defeat them if it came down to it, but the problem is what would happen after they did that like, the US presence in the region could be six dudes masturbating in a quonset hut and they'd still exercise significant influence, not because of what they themselves can do, but because killing them would mean you're now officially at war with the United States those six dudes can be like 'you can't go here in this specific spot without having to kill us', for example, and that effectively denies you access to that territory unless you're willing to fight the United States, even if you could kill those six guys no problem (see what the US is doing in Kobani right now as we speak). if the US wants to deny Syria access to the oil they can absolutely do it, for a while anyway (eventually the bluff would be called and I don't think the US has the political will, or even necessarily the ability, for an actual full on invasion right now) Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 23:03 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:Don;t worry guys, Pompeo is on the case in Syria yeah i'm sure the EU will get right on that
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SorePotato posted:Terrorist Oil Perfect for stir frying
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Our fries are cooked in 100% pure terrorist oil.
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SorePotato posted:Terrorist Oil
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SorePotato posted:Terrorist Oil
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Mister Bates posted:few thousand at most, few enough that the SDF could hypothetically defeat them if it came down to it, but the problem is what would happen after they did that right. and how would these few thousand dudes stop the SDF from exporting their oil to Assad? what im picturing from this is us marines laying down in front of oil trucks screaming "your going to have to get thru us igf oil want assad!!!!"
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SorePotato posted:Terrorist Oil every oil that's not american
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Atrocious Joe posted:Don;t worry guys, Pompeo is on the case in Syria "uphold the rule of law that we happen to use as a bludgeon against anyone that opposes us"
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Kurnugia posted:right. and how would these few thousand dudes stop the SDF from exporting their oil to Assad? what im picturing from this is us marines laying down in front of oil trucks screaming "your going to have to get thru us igf oil want assad!!!!" you have a point in that they couldn't actually literally prevent the oil from being moved to wherever the hell the SDF wants to move it. it's more that, if the SDF finally fully breaks with the US and says 'gently caress you guys, we're doing what we want', those US troops that have just pulled back from the border a bit could go away entirely, which would probably be a good thing for the region as a whole in the long run but would also throw the SDF's defense plans for a loving loop and would remove the last small bit of protection against Turkey the US is still nominally providing. places the Turks (or the SAA, if relations with the government suddenly take a turn for the worse for some reason, which is not a likely scenario but is still a possibility they have to plan for) might be hesitant to attack because there are US troops there will go back to being viable targets again. there will no longer be big American-flag-patterned shields over various strategically important locations. this is a temporary situation, US influence is going to wane pretty quickly at this rate and eventually they're not going to give a gently caress. right now at this particular moment, though, 'what the US wants' still has at least some weight in the SDF's strategic calculus
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so if the troops aren't going to fight to defend the SDF, cant stop the SDF from selling oil to Assad, the US definately wont get to have a say in negotiating with Assad altogether. and thus the US troops provide only provide the slimmest possibility of advantage in acting as human shields against the turkish attack currently underway, while currently lazily retreating... right? doesn't really sound like anyone whose opinion the SDF are going to take into account while going forward
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The US has intimate knowledge of the leadership structure of the SDF and has spent the past two decades building a giant assassination machine that operates across the Mideast and surrounding regions. That's got to be at least enough to make the SDF nervous about crossing the US.
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yeah and they got nukes too
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there is also that, yes like, the US is probably not going to do anything, but there's still the implication that they could I actually think Kurnugia is correct in the long run in that the SDF is rapidly going to stop giving a poo poo about what the US thinks, because I don't think the US is actually going to do anything to them, is incapable of realistically preventing them from doing anything, and isn't really providing them anything much anymore. But right now they're still going to be walking on eggshells around the US for a while
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Even if US soldiers leave Syria the USA still has a lot of leverage over the SDF. In 2019 the US budgeted something over $500 million in aid for them, and I don't think that includes covert assistance. Special Forces weren't literally turning gas trucks back as they tried to cross the Euphrates, America essentially just bought all the oil itself and diverted it away from Assad. Clearly the YPG are going to have change their strategy going forward but if the US keeps throwing money at them I suspect they will continue to have the YPG's ear.
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CODChimera posted:Way to ruin our chant Kanine posted:death to america
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Kurtofan posted:America deserved 9/11
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I remember in this very forum when it was tinfoil tankieness to suggest that US had troops in Syria, now we're moving them around like chess pieces and no one bats an eye
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How Darwinian posted:ISIS will just go back to Europe. Bing-bang-boom, so simple. lmao
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Mister Bates posted:few thousand at most, few enough that the SDF could hypothetically defeat them if it came down to it, but the problem is what would happen after they did that They make an alliance with Assad and Iran?
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gh0stpinballa posted:what is the syrian governments response so far Let_them_fight.gif
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Kanine posted:death to america
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How Darwinian posted:ISIS will just go back to Europe. Bing-bang-boom, so simple. OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1...ingawful.com%2F lmao every mistake and crime the West has ever committed, being clumsily reenacted by a bunch of loving clowns
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Truga posted:so what you're saying is, not calling out the bad guy doesn't actually do anything, since they'll go "hey you better cooperate with us" anyway? This is, I think, the only lesson to be learned. A lot of the humanitarian aid and rights organizations were made and take their ethos from the wreckage of WWI and II, and thought they would be operating in places where there were good-faith actors on both sides bound by international law and norms. That's just simply not the case. The global hegemon will use you as a bludgeon no matter what you do, and whatever their allies do in the theater they'll support because they just want to keep their hands clean of the dirty work anyway. It has a lot of use in a lot of conflicts all over this hell-bound world, but the US just can't be trusted.
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lolling a little at the radtrad catholics i know who love trump and also think we should conquer constantinople. wonder how they're justifying it
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StashAugustine posted:lolling a little at the radtrad catholics i know who love trump and also think we should conquer constantinople. wonder how they're justifying it thinking of the pro-trump europeans lol
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StashAugustine posted:lolling a little at the radtrad catholics i know who love trump and also think we should conquer constantinople. wonder how they're justifying it "They stole it first"
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Crowsbeak posted:They make an alliance with Assad and Iran? inshallah
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Main Paineframe posted:lmao Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. -Karl Marx
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