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FuturePastNow posted:They didn't have horsey gas masks right away, either. This is the most hilarious of the reasons the Nazis didn’t widely deploy chemical weapons in battle.
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One of the critical scenes in Brothers Karamazov is a horse flogging. It’s when a horse handler goes crazy and beats a horse to death in public Nietzsche’s insanity was also precipitated by witnessing a horse flogging in which iirc he intervened poo poo was real back in the day
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Raskolnikov also has a dream about a horse being flogged to death in Crime & Punishment.
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Maybe that’s what I was remembering. It might be in Brothers Karamazov too Regardless it must have been a common and traumatic experience
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Common enough that inflicting a flogging upon a dead horse could become a clichéd phrase. When you think of the stuff that humans do to humans, what we do to animals is a whole new level of ghastliness...
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euphronius posted:Nietzsche’s insanity was also precipitated by witnessing a horse flogging in which iirc he intervened He did indeed. It's sometimes interesting to read about the lives of philosophers. Nietzsche's actual philosophy gives a lot of people a vision of selfishness or at least self-centeredness. Learning about that horse incident was fascinating to me.
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Family Values posted:First thought I had too. Mounted cavalry vs. mechanized infantry became just a complete bloodbath. I don't think any notable mounted forces fought on horseback against mech infantry. The oft-repeated claim of polish lancers riding into machineguns during WW2 didn't happen, for example.
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Tias posted:I don't think any notable mounted forces fought on horseback against mech infantry. The oft-repeated claim of polish lancers riding into machineguns during WW2 didn't happen, for example. as trin keeps reminding us, when cav was used during ww1 it usually succeeded in its intended goal
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HEY GUNS posted:not only did it not happen, there was a cav on cav engagement in that war which the poles won. The last  official cavalry charge was done on august 23rd/24th 1942 during World War two by Italians who charged russians lines and managed to break through. Charge of the Savoia CavallerieThe polish lancer story did happen, they charged a unit of german infantry. They were successful at first until a machine gun opened fire on them from an armoured car further away. They did not charge at Tanks or machine guns nest, like propaganda would have people believe. But the charge did happen, that is uncontested facts. Charge at Krojanty *edit: Ugh.. re-read my post, sorry it sounds confrontational. not my intention, too tired to edit it properly atm. Will edit later Dalael fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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No problem, thanks for clearing it up!
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Afghan forces led by General Dostum backed up by a US Special Forces unit conducted a successful cavalry charge against Taliban positions when the Northern Alliance took Mazir-i-Sharif
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The French entered WW1 with 89 regiments of cavalry. Cavalry was used in major battles like the Battle of the Somme and at Verdun. A British cavalry regiment charged a German position at High Wood at the Battle of the Somme. From an eyewitness:quote:It was an incredible sight, an unbelievable sight, they galloped up with their lances and with pennants flying, up the slope to High Wood and straight into it. ... They simply galloped on through all that and horses and men were dropping on the ground, with no hope against the machine guns, because the Germans up on the ridge were firing down into the valley where the soldiers were. It was an absolute rout. A magnificent sight. Tragic. So yeah, it happened repeatedly in the first two years of the war and it was as horrific as we imagine.
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Dalael posted:The polish lancer story did happen, they charged a unit of german infantry. They were successful at first until a machine gun opened fire on them from an armoured car further away. They did not charge at Tanks or machine guns nest, like propaganda would have people believe. But the charge did happen, that is uncontested facts.
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Family Values posted:The French entered WW1 with 89 regiments of cavalry. Cavalry was used in major battles like the Battle of the Somme and at Verdun. A British cavalry regiment charged a German position at High Wood at the Battle of the Somme. From an eyewitness: See the trick to overrun a machine gun position is to send so many bodies at it, that the gun jams from overheating and that's when you got them just where you want to.
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One of the real problems in WW1 is that you had a lot of creaky old general officers who'd been hanging around since the Franco-Prussian War in 1870, and had generally taken away the strategy of lightning offenses with cavalry and light artillery being able to win the war before the opponent was mobilized. French generals like Fernand de Langle de Cary, who oversaw the disaster Verdun, was obsessed with speed because that's how France had lost in his war. And he'd seen how effective units could be if they had nerves of steel and could commit to an attack in the face of largely inaccurate rifle and cannon fire. The fact that several major wars had been fought that seriously disputed the effectiveness of those tactics in the face of modern rifles, much less machine guns, trenches, and barbed wire, was largely dismissed by European commanders. Gen. de Cary and others believed that if an army was sufficiently professional and disciplined, they'd show up with a bunch of direct-fire horse artillery, blast away before charging in with the cavalry and some light infantry, sweeping the field before them before their opponents could muster a defense. They were wrong. Strategically, this led to a variety of attempted breakthroughs by both sides known as the Battle of Frontiers, which failed. After half a million total casualties in a month, both sides realized that this wasn't working and tried to maneuver around each other by broadening their lines (this is known as the Race to the Sea). Once they'd built trenches across the entire continent, each side basically ran out of strategic ideas, and basically tried to just overwhelm the opponent with bigger offensives or bigger maneuvers (this is where the war really went global). In the end, it took technological innovation to really catch up to reality of the new defensive methods. Kaal fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Tias posted:I recently had the talk about how Game of Thrones was (IMO) better historical interpretations than Vikings. I feel like this is interesting, but we could derail this thread for ages just on what real history influenced pieces of GoT. Also on the Italian Calvary Charge quote:Trumpeter Carenzi, having to handle both trumpet and pistol, unintentionally shot his own horse in the head.[2] I feel like Carenzi shouldn't have been the Trumpeter. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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Dalael posted:The last There was also a German cavalry charge on British forces during Market Garden.
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Molentik posted:There was also a German cavalry charge on British forces during Market Garden. Oh? I never heard about this one. I will have to look into it. I can't help but to think about Band of Brother's last episode, Webster's speech... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DnRn9hyFU
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Everyone wanks to “ignorant servile scum” and forgets that that is the same show same episode where the Nazi general gets to namedrop the series in his proud speech to his brave soldier comrades. E: but hey Liebgott got to translate and he was real and there was a Holocaust episode, so the Nazi wanking is actually fine! Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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Oct 11, 2019 20:57
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I uhh... what?
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Dalael posted:I uhh... what? He's not a fan of Band of Brothers, he's saying. Hea unhappy that the series puts a a speech to his troops into General Tolsdorff's mouth where Tolsdorff pretty much uses the term "band of brothers" to describe his men..." Sie sind eine besondere Truppe, die miteinander einen Zusammenhalt gefunden hat, der in Erscheinung nur im Kampf entwickeln kann unter den Kameraden...." I think he thinks it humanizes the German soldiers and makes them look heroic.
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Gonna just cut off Nazi chat in the ancient history thread right here.
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Epicurius posted:He's not a fan of Band of Brothers, he's saying. Hea unhappy that the series puts a a speech to his troops into General Tolsdorff's mouth where Tolsdorff pretty much uses the term "band of brothers" to describe his men..." Sie sind eine besondere Truppe, die miteinander einen Zusammenhalt gefunden hat, der in Thank you, i wasnt sure if i read that right.
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Let's talk about the Aryan expansion instead. Did you know that philologists classify ancient languages by whether or not they had a native word for honeybees? It's because they did not exist east of the Black Sea region about 4000 years ago.
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Since they're domesticated bugs, I assume it's just like how chicken, pigs, cows, sheep, goats, and horses left their own trails of proliferation over time. Huh, I poked around in wikipedia, and apparently the Maya cultivated an entirely separate species of bee for honey. Weird.
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yeah the standard 'honeybee' is actually an invasive species in America
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SlothfulCobra posted:Since they're domesticated bugs, I assume it's just like how chicken, pigs, cows, sheep, goats, and horses left their own trails of proliferation over time. On one of the netflix food shows... maybe SaltFatAcidHeat (? if so it's in the Acid episode) the host visits a family in Mexico which raises the pre-colonial species of bee via traditional methods.
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Arglebargle III posted:Let's talk about the Aryan expansion instead. Did you know that philologists classify ancient languages by whether or not they had a native word for honeybees? It's because they did not exist east of the Black Sea region about 4000 years ago. How lucky are we that the first guys to domesticate the bees didn't try to domesticate hornets instead?
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Native new world bee species are a lot better at pollinating native new world plant species. Crazy.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Since they're domesticated bugs, I assume it's just like how chicken, pigs, cows, sheep, goats, and horses left their own trails of proliferation over time. They are pretty chill, I had a hive on/in my cabin window when I was in Belize doing research and they never bothered me. About half the size of a honey bee and black. Also they are stingless. Also as far as I am aware the only other honey bees in Belize are africanized and they are loving dicks.
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Arglebargle III posted:Let's talk about the Aryan expansion instead. Did you know that philologists classify ancient languages by whether or not they had a native word for honeybees? It's because they did not exist east of the Black Sea region about 4000 years ago. Except there is one other language with the word 'dog' to mean 'dog'. Mbabaram, an Australian aboriginal language. Makes u think. 
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The word "shark" may be from the Yucatec "Xoc"
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cheetah7071 posted:One thing that surprised me is that earthworms are also an invasive in the new world I don't think this is quite right. I think there were worms but that the invasive species are now so prevalent that the native species are rare or have died out. At least that's what I recall from the one article I read, but I'm by no means an expert.
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There were native worms yes, but the thing you're most likely picturing when you hear "earthworm" is an invasive species.
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I want Australia's giant Gippsland earthworm to go invasive.
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When cattle breeding was first started in Australia, their manure would never disappear because there was no native Australian fauna that could process them. They had to import dung beetles or something from Europe so that every pasture wouldn't just be covered in cow poo poo forever and thus ruined
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