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Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Stoca Zola posted:


Great advice.


Oh man the tank I'm looking at would be 771 pounds full. I might have to go get one with a stand. Not that I don't trust the old flat table/desk, but the idea of the thing collapsing and losing all those fish would be a bit much. So yeah I could set up a tank where no one would over feed, I do have access to a fridge but its communal, and I can do a lighting set up. Though now if I do the stand I have access to more space. I like the idea of having stuff from the same location, I don't know if the plants can be from the same area. Unfortunately my best access to fish is Petsmart, but I am doing research today into small businesses that specialize in doing tanks. The down side of that is I lose the joy of doing it myself.

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BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

You can buy fish in the mail, its crazy though.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
So despite careful livestock selection, quarantine and designing and printing a guard for the Nero 5 pumps I am using, my Foxface still managed to somehow get behind the guard and was pulled in by the pump.

Needless to say he died and I'm pissed. I'm pulling the Nero's and getting to Vortech MP40s instead. This tank just eats money and shits out trouble some days.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

TKIY posted:

This tank just eats money and shits out trouble
Thread title

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


What should I do for my lone betta if I have to go out of state for ten days and have no one around to feed it daily? is there some kind of automated fish feeder setup that's cheap enough to buy for a single use?

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Hooplah posted:

What should I do for my lone betta if I have to go out of state for ten days and have no one around to feed it daily? is there some kind of automated fish feeder setup that's cheap enough to buy for a single use?

Feed him the day you leave, I would not go with an automatic feeder. He should be fine for ten days, just be sure not to overfeed that day.

Local Petco has cpds in. How? I'm tempted!

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Hooplah posted:

What should I do for my lone betta if I have to go out of state for ten days and have no one around to feed it daily? is there some kind of automated fish feeder setup that's cheap enough to buy for a single use?

Do you ever plan on travelling again? I'd pick up a feeder. I have this feeder and it works fine. You can put as much food in as you like and it can't overfeed by design.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

I'm attempting to increase the amount of calcium in my freshwater tank by dissolving calcium nitrate, it does not appear to have an affect on pH from my test strips but I have a meter in the mail.

The increased nitrate levels appear to be helping the pumpkin put on new growth in old areas, but its hard to tell.

The fish dont appear to mind, however one did leap to death the other day and I was sad. He was extremely fat and much bigger than he appeared in the water, about 8 inches.

I'm making a plan for next year and I'm going to try to do this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient_film_technique will post pics of blueprint with specs.

I also bought a 32" filter sock for like 7 bucks but I have no where to put it lol. (https://pentairaes.com/felt-bag-polypropylene-32-x-7-5-microns.html) the rest of the website is cool too but a bit out of my budget.

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")
My nieces are hell bent on getting an ecosphere for Christmas. I regard this as a universally terrible idea. It'll be left in a window and cook the shrimp in the globe.

My idea was for a sealed 2 gallon jar, a few plants that need next to no maintenance, some cute hidey holes, and a few cherry shrimp.

So far I've got moss balls in it, a Java fern, and spirulina that's starting to do its thing and reproduce. it's developing a nice bio-film, the water has been treated and allowed to off gas for a few days. Substrate is those dumb aquarium rocks.

Roughly how long between openings would I be able to take this thing, and with how many shrimp? Would they have any chance at all, or do I just keep this as a plant based water feature on a desk?

E: oh God if I get it right they are going to breed. Well. I really like shrimp. If that happens I'll set up a tank for em with a Betta to keep populations slightly in check.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
If left alone the shrimp population should stabilize at a level supported by whatever food is available - I think.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

SeaGoatSupreme posted:

My nieces are hell bent on getting an ecosphere for Christmas. I regard this as a universally terrible idea. It'll be left in a window and cook the shrimp in the globe.

My idea was for a sealed 2 gallon jar, a few plants that need next to no maintenance, some cute hidey holes, and a few cherry shrimp.

So far I've got moss balls in it, a Java fern, and spirulina that's starting to do its thing and reproduce. it's developing a nice bio-film, the water has been treated and allowed to off gas for a few days. Substrate is those dumb aquarium rocks.

Roughly how long between openings would I be able to take this thing, and with how many shrimp? Would they have any chance at all, or do I just keep this as a plant based water feature on a desk?

E: oh God if I get it right they are going to breed. Well. I really like shrimp. If that happens I'll set up a tank for em with a Betta to keep populations slightly in check.

Just keep it as a plant based water feature. Also it seems to me a horrible idea to set up a tank with a betta because a) your nieces are probably not going to take proper care of it, these are pets and you shouldn't gift pets, and b) setting up an environment where you're knowingly going to have the shrimp acting as prey for a betta is just hosed up. If they're mature and really want to take care of a pet and are going to do so properly maybe do a betta only tank but don't put shrimp in there just to get murdered by the fish.

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")
E: you misunderstood, if they breed I was/am planning on setting up a proper tank for them in my own home. The beta would not be in a big rear end jar, or under the car of children. Would I have any real reason to put the beta in the tank with them, then? Would their population naturally hit an equalibrium, or would I have to figure out a reasonable way of keeping the population at a comfortable level for the size of the tank?

With the rate at which the spirulina is doing it's thing that may be a fair amount of shrimp. Is there a decent chance for this to be a terrible idea and be so filled that it looks like a feeder bin at a local store? I realize that this will be a gift for children that I do habitual upkeep on, but I would prefer to not have them so crowded that life is terrible for them. It is only two gallons.

Honestly I have warmed to the idea immensely over the past week I have been collecting things/looking at care sheets/reading shrimp forums and setting it up, I might regard this as a personal project and just see how it works. If they breed like rabbits I'd love to have justification for an actual tank. All I have right now is cats, dogs, and snakes. It seems fun to branch out to aquatics.

If it doesn't spiral into madness/die horribly by July I'll set up a jar for them I guess?

SeaGoatSupreme fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Oct 8, 2019

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

SeaGoatSupreme posted:

With the rate at which the spirulina is doing it's thing that may be a fair amount of shrimp. Is there a decent chance for this to be a terrible idea and be so filled that it looks like a feeder bin at a local store? I realize that this will be a gift for children that I do habitual upkeep on, but I would prefer to not have them so crowded that life is terrible for them. It is only two gallons.

Honestly I have warmed to the idea immensely over the past week I have been collecting things and setting it up, I might regard this as a personal project and just see how it works. If they breed like rabbits I'd love to have justification for an actual tank. All I have right now is cats, dogs, and snakes. It seems fun to branch out to aquatics.

If it doesn't spiral into madness/die horribly by July I'll set up a jar for them I guess?

Shrimp need filtered tanks like you would have for a fish, with a pump and decent flow and that kind of thing. It's unethical to set up a jar for them, it would be like those inhumane little betta containers. You should set up a little planted nanotank for the cherry shrimp, I'm sure you'd really love it. I have 4 amano shrimp in a 5.3g heavily planted tank and it's very enjoyable.

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")
Thank you. Nano tanks are fricken cool, I'll just keep this as a planted thing and tell my sister to do whatever her heart says with regards to the ecosphere.

They aren't gonna last, but it's better than the alternative of setting up a doomed to fail project/letting more creatures suffer and die than necessary.

E: feel like I have to say, I haven't bought any animals yet. I came in here as a last sanity check beforehand. I'm glad I did, I'd feel lovely putting them in an environment in which they couldn't thrive. Thanks folks. I'll come back in a while once I have a planted tank for them.

SeaGoatSupreme fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Oct 8, 2019

Beaucoup Cuckoo
Apr 10, 2008

Uncle Seymour wants you to eat your beans.
I know this is an aquarium thread and stuff but if you're looking for an incredibly easy pet to give as a gift go for some blue feigning death beetle.

They are hard as rocks and the kids can put their toys in the tank and poo poo.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
That's... terrifying.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
A quick feeding vid.


https://i.imgur.com/td2gJA0.gifv

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")
Oh my goodness look at those sweet babies! :swoon:

So I've zeroed in on a 5 gallon tank, but I'm waffling on which one to buy. There's one on sale for 40$ with what seems like a bunch of nice quality of life things, spout coming off the water filter for easy water changes, a separated filter chamber instead of a tube hanging down somewhere in the tank, built in lighting good enough for low light low maintenance plants, etc.

But the slits separating the filter chamber from the rest of the tank are big enough for shrimp to get through. I obviously don't want that to happen, what would be a safe screen type material to slap on it to keep the shrimp from making its way to the back half?

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Use nylon cross-stitch backing. Nylon is perfectly tank safe.

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")
Thank you! I'll be picking it up soon then. I've got time to monkey around with it while it's cycling and I'm choosing what plants to throw in it/where to put them.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
So I was doing some research for what I want in my tank let me know if any of these will have issues.

5 guppies
5 white could mountain minnows
5 Neon Tetras
5 Tiger Barbs
3 Cory Catfish
1 Peacock Eel.

Chunderbucket
Aug 31, 2006

I had a beer with Stephen Miller once and now I like him.

That's not enough cories. Even if one or two of them are pretty playful/swimmy regardless, their behaviour changes when there's a bunch. I'm down to three through attrition and it's a little sad.

Same deal with the neons, I had six die down to five and they started getting more shy/inactive. Bought a few more and all of a sudden they're exploring everywhere in a big school.

Rest I can't speak for.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I'd say drop down to 2-3 species but keep the numbers the same. The eel is also a nocturnal fish so you might not see it much. If you're wanting a centerpiece fish, a betta or gourami might be an easy one.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

SeaGoatSupreme posted:

Oh my goodness look at those sweet babies! :swoon:

So I've zeroed in on a 5 gallon tank, but I'm waffling on which one to buy. There's one on sale for 40$ with what seems like a bunch of nice quality of life things, spout coming off the water filter for easy water changes, a separated filter chamber instead of a tube hanging down somewhere in the tank, built in lighting good enough for low light low maintenance plants, etc.

But the slits separating the filter chamber from the rest of the tank are big enough for shrimp to get through. I obviously don't want that to happen, what would be a safe screen type material to slap on it to keep the shrimp from making its way to the back half?

I really like my 5.3g Microvue3 20 by Cobalt. Really have no complaints. They're on Amazon also.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Scooter_McCabe posted:

So I was doing some research for what I want in my tank let me know if any of these will have issues.

5 guppies
5 white could mountain minnows
5 Neon Tetras
5 Tiger Barbs
3 Cory Catfish
1 Peacock Eel.

Neon tetras: prone to disease, probably would prefer to be in a larger school.
White clouds: solid fish, maybe jumpers as they are top level swimmers
Guppies: if you have any females at all, you'll need more females than males or else the males will harass the females and wear them out. They will constantly produce babies which are likely to get eaten by other fish in this list.
Tiger barbs: almost guaranteed to behave badly in a school of only 5. Most likely will nip at guppy fins. A larger active fish (3 to 4 inches) that will stress out the smaller fish you have listed here and use up a lot of bioload. Better behaved in a school of 10 or more but they don't have their reputation for aggression for no reason.
Corys: do better in schools of 8 to 10, I'd keep at least 6. Depending on species can grow bigger than you'd expect (bronze and pepper corys can get to around 3 inches).
Peacock eel could be an escape artist requiring a very tight tank lid, and grows to 6 inches so needs a fair bit of room. I haven't much experience with eels but I wonder if they are fussy eaters? Might be tempted to snack on your smaller fish or might be difficult to get it eating, depending on whether you can feed it frozen meaty foods. They can live a long time too, upwards of 15 years if well maintained.

If you throw all these and your tank dimensions into aqadvisor.com you'll know if you are overloading your tank too. I think if you trade out the barbs for something more peaceful (maybe harlequin or red tailed rasboras) and bump up the school sizes, especially of the neons and corys, this would be a pretty reasonable community (depending on how snacky the peacock eel is). Other barbs like black ruby barbs or Odessa barbs might work, reputedly less aggressive than tigers but still would require a school of at least 10. An alternative would be to bump up the number of barbs, and get rid of the tetras, and guppies. I think the white clouds would still be okay as they are top level fish and quite fast if they have to be. Fish that live or sleep at lower levels in the tank (guppies for example sleep on the bottom) are at risk of being nibbled on by bottom dwelling eels.

Did you end up deciding what size tank you were getting? For a community like this I think a 40 breeder would work well and allow you to have decent sized schools of fish.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Stoca Zola posted:

Neon tetras: prone to disease, probably would prefer to be in a larger school.
White clouds: solid fish, maybe jumpers as they are top level swimmers
Guppies: if you have any females at all, you'll need more females than males or else the males will harass the females and wear them out. They will constantly produce babies which are likely to get eaten by other fish in this list.
Tiger barbs: almost guaranteed to behave badly in a school of only 5. Most likely will nip at guppy fins. A larger active fish (3 to 4 inches) that will stress out the smaller fish you have listed here and use up a lot of bioload. Better behaved in a school of 10 or more but they don't have their reputation for aggression for no reason.
Corys: do better in schools of 8 to 10, I'd keep at least 6. Depending on species can grow bigger than you'd expect (bronze and pepper corys can get to around 3 inches).
Peacock eel could be an escape artist requiring a very tight tank lid, and grows to 6 inches so needs a fair bit of room. I haven't much experience with eels but I wonder if they are fussy eaters? Might be tempted to snack on your smaller fish or might be difficult to get it eating, depending on whether you can feed it frozen meaty foods. They can live a long time too, upwards of 15 years if well maintained.

If you throw all these and your tank dimensions into aqadvisor.com you'll know if you are overloading your tank too. I think if you trade out the barbs for something more peaceful (maybe harlequin or red tailed rasboras) and bump up the school sizes, especially of the neons and corys, this would be a pretty reasonable community (depending on how snacky the peacock eel is). Other barbs like black ruby barbs or Odessa barbs might work, reputedly less aggressive than tigers but still would require a school of at least 10. An alternative would be to bump up the number of barbs, and get rid of the tetras, and guppies. I think the white clouds would still be okay as they are top level fish and quite fast if they have to be. Fish that live or sleep at lower levels in the tank (guppies for example sleep on the bottom) are at risk of being nibbled on by bottom dwelling eels.

Did you end up deciding what size tank you were getting? For a community like this I think a 40 breeder would work well and allow you to have decent sized schools of fish.

I've got my eye on a 75 gallon tank and stand. I had some different dimensions earlier but found out the desk I intended to use would probably not support a full tank. As typically what happens when I start looking into a hobby I get a little grandiose, I already want to do a planted tank and have a layout slowly taking shape. One of the people at the office has a guppy only tank and despite cannibalism they are steadily producing surviving offspring. I do plan on seeding shrimp into the tank for the eel to enjoy and I read that if I also introduce worms they will colonize the bottom. If the guppies run into trouble there is another tank in the office I will be taking the pressure off of if the eel starts snacking hard.

This is going to be a slow process, I plan to get the tank and stand, substrate, sand, stones and plants. Let that settle and then start introducing stuff. Get the shrimp and worms in first. Have the guppies go in after that, followed by the white clouds, maybe just not do tetras and increase the school numbers, then barbs and the eel shows up last. I thought the peacock would be cool as its rarely seen and the other eel available was a dinosaur bichir and that just read out like a tank killer.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Sounds like a pretty good plan for a 75 - You definitely have room to bump your numbers up to meet the social requirements of the schooling fish and have room for more active fish if you want while still having the tank fairly lightly loaded. I've heard of people colonising tanks with blackworms before as part of their clean up crew, since your tank will be new there's nothing for them to clean up so you'd have to give them sinking food every few days. It's a good way to get the tank cycling, except instead of "ghost feeding" and risking fungus you've got someone in there to process the food before fungus can form.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Chunderbucket posted:

That's not enough cories. Even if one or two of them are pretty playful/swimmy regardless, their behaviour changes when there's a bunch. I'm down to three through attrition and it's a little sad.

What is it with cories and mysterious deaths?

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

a ~mysterious toxin~

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Went to the LFS last night to pick up a replacement Foxface for the one that got mangled by the pump, and couldn't help myself.





Some sort of Pylei wrasse, possibly a pink or blue margin fairy wrasse. Wife named this one Khan, as in 'The Wrasse of Khan'.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Nice looking wrasse!

My apistos wasted no time in making babies:

https://i.imgur.com/74KTXUL.mp4

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I don't think I've ever seen a good close up of apisto babies, they're like little helicopters! So cute.

Resting Lich Face
Feb 21, 2019


This case of an intraperitoneal zucchini is unusual, and does raise questions as to how hard one has to push a blunt vegetable to perforate the rectum.

Enos Cabell posted:

Nice looking wrasse!

My apistos wasted no time in making babies:

https://i.imgur.com/74KTXUL.mp4

:3:

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
So my wife would really like one more fish but I'm not sure. Full stock list after this round of QT:

Multibar Angel
One-spot Foxface
Sapphire Damsel
Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse
Blue Margin Fairy Wrasse
Chalk Bass
Cleaner Shrimp
Coral Banded Shrimp

So six fish, about 70g of water in the system and 50g in the display. It's a passive tank so far, the Angel will occasionally give a little rush towards the Damsel but he's never chased. No nipping, nothing along those lines.

If we added something else it would ideally be a free swimmer or percher so that it's visible, and something Blue/Orange/Purple in color. Any suggestions?

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Disturbing lack of blennies in that stock list.

Bi- color blennies are blue and orange, sounds like a perfect fit.

Enos Cabell fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Oct 18, 2019

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
That's a good call, I'm officially on blenny watch.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


TKIY posted:

That's a good call, I'm officially on blenny watch.

If you do get one, don't be surprised if it becomes your favorite fish. So much personality in those little guys.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Khan and new Mulder have moved into the display, so it's time for a new tank video!

https://i.imgur.com/67ZaEQH.gifv

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Just a couple of short videos from my weekly maintenance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIE2bsNCma4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_7yAq9zYDM

Mozi fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 20, 2019

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VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009


Cool. I'd be way too scared to use Excel! Your shrimp look happy. I should take some video of my tank but I gotta do a trim this week first.

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