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whatever7 posted:No I am saying the goal of the protest was not about the extradition bill, it was about crippling the HK government. That was why it was designed in such a loose, leaderless, faceless way. i certainly agree it was not about the bill, the bill was just the tipping point where HKers went "you know actually we're pretty annoyed with this whole ultracapitalist authoritarianism thing"
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Oct 10, 2019 02:17
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whatever7 posted:No I am saying the goal of the protest was not about the extradition bill, it was about crippling the HK government. That was why it was designed in such a loose, leaderless, faceless way. who designed the protest? dont say the CIA!!!
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Oct 10, 2019 02:19
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The core of the protest is really HK being totally dissociated from the Mainland's politics. They can't affect anything, but China can lean hard on the HK government and get what they want.
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Oct 10, 2019 02:22
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Slanderer posted:who designed the protest? gently caress CIA, it was the property czars who have owned the Hong kongers for decades and want to pass on their kingdom to their sons and daughters pass 2047 and want to forever own the Hong Kong government. If you speak Manderin, I would link you a video where a HK developer explained how each previous chief executive's plan to expand public house and lower the real estate price has been stopped by different developers.
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Oct 10, 2019 02:28
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whatever7 posted:gently caress CIA, it was the property czars who have owned the Hong kongers for decades and want to pass on their kingdom to their sons and daughters pass 2047 and want to forever own the Hong Kong government. is your claim that they are the unseen hand guiding, shaping and directing the protest?
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Oct 10, 2019 02:39
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you don’t really need to shape a protest, you can just get it going and let the chips fall where they may. The protest doesn’t even seem to be asking for anything really substantial
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Oct 10, 2019 02:42
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brothers, we meet at the orc statue
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Oct 10, 2019 02:43
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Grapplejack posted:The core of the protest is really HK being totally dissociated from the Mainland's politics. They can't affect anything, but China can lean hard on the HK government and get what they want. Agreed, 1C2S is a farce imposed by imperialist powers.
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Oct 10, 2019 03:07
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Slanderer posted:is your claim that they are the unseen hand guiding, shaping and directing the protest? Li ka shing was supporter of the umbrella movement too. But this one just the initial and donation phrase. Around Aug the movement took on a violent life of its own and nobody can steer it, not even jimmy lai. You can't direct a decentralized movement. Also the teeager radicals took up a broodlusting, anti mainland stand, which is hilarious.
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Oct 10, 2019 03:09
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whatever7 posted:No I am saying the goal of the protest was not about the extradition bill, it was about crippling the HK government. That was why it was designed in such a loose, leaderless, faceless way. while i can understand this thinking in theory a bill designed to allow for the extradition of axe murderers seems like a really bad hill to die on surely the chinese government has pushed for more obviously bad laws than that
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Oct 10, 2019 03:25
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whatever7 posted:gently caress CIA, it was the property czars who have owned the Hong kongers for decades and want to pass on their kingdom to their sons and daughters pass 2047 and want to forever own the Hong Kong government. Weird because the billionaires who literally own hk are against the protests because its bringing down property values Also loooool if you think the prc of all places will reign in property developers
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Oct 10, 2019 03:28
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Bro Dad posted:Weird because the billionaires who literally own hk are against the protests because its bringing down property values Billionaires aren’t actually a monolithic force. Hell the billionaires that funded the tea party turned on them once they realized exactly what they unleashed
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Oct 10, 2019 03:32
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anyway i just read an article that said hong has the best hiring and firing practices in the world can anyone confirm deny or react in confusion
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Oct 10, 2019 03:35
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Oct 10, 2019 03:52
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The leaderless form of organizing taking place is a direct reaction to precedence set during previous movements, where leaders were jailed to essentially cut the movements head off. Regardless of what you think of their politics, this is essentially the logical conclusion from past actions.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:00
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gradenko_2000 posted:The PRC considers Taiwan to be a part of the PRC. I would argue this is dumb only because Taiwan is very manifestly not part of China, materially and de facto speaking. China may want it to be again, but Taiwan is in practice separate no matter what the government of China may like, at least for the time being. In that context writing law as if this was not true, when it is true, is rather dumb. It'd be like if the US tried to write law as if Cuba was an American territory. We may wish it was, but it very obviously is not.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:02
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Lightning Knight posted:I would argue this is dumb only because Taiwan is very manifestly not part of China, materially and de facto speaking. China may want it to be again, but Taiwan is in practice separate no matter what the government of China may like, at least for the time being. In that context writing law as if this was not true, when it is true, is rather dumb. I don't really disagree, though it does kind of beg the question of what the Taiwanese government thinks about all this - assuming that the bill got passed and made into law, and was used to deport this one guy from Hong Kong to Taiwan, it would have to be the Taiwanese officials that'd have to take him into custody... and both the PRC and Taiwanese governments would be okay with that? Like, an extradition treaty from the HK to Taiwan would only work if Taiwan was okay with it, and the PRC was okay with Taiwan exercising it, even if they're not "their guys". I think?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:17
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gradenko_2000 posted:I don't really disagree, though it does kind of beg the question of what the Taiwanese government thinks about all this - assuming that the bill got passed and made into law, and was used to deport this one guy from Hong Kong to Taiwan, it would have to be the Taiwanese officials that'd have to take him into custody... and both the PRC and Taiwanese governments would be okay with that? I mean yeah that sounds pretty dumb.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:19
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Oct 10, 2019 04:21
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BrokenGameboy posted:The leaderless form of organizing taking place is a direct reaction to precedence set during previous movements, where leaders were jailed to essentially cut the movements head off. Regardless of what you think of their politics, this is essentially the logical conclusion from past actions. if china is already disappearing hong kong dissidents its not clear to me how a legal extradition process would be significantly worse
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Oct 10, 2019 04:24
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https://twitter.com/anarchismoso/status/1182079165811613696 lol
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Oct 10, 2019 04:27
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sincx posted:HAHAHAHAHA its amazing people get paid to make D&D post
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Oct 10, 2019 04:28
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https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/1182133441267003392 lmao just lmao
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Oct 10, 2019 04:34
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We created the App Store to be a safe and trusted place to discover apps.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:37
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Lol remember when amazon decided to delete copies of 1984 from a bunch of kindles remotely, without permission from the users?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:40
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Spergin Morlock posted:Lol remember when amazon decided to delete copies of 1984 from a bunch of kindles remotely, without permission from the users? *ben norton bursts in* “yeah but Orwell sucked anyway!  ”
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Oct 10, 2019 04:43
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wouldnt such an app be really useful for people trying to get help from cops though kind of weird to assume that only criminals would use it
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Oct 10, 2019 04:47
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sincx posted:HAHAHAHAHA
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Oct 10, 2019 04:54
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When the rich get disappeared in China it's not because of Marxist principles. Xiao Jianhua was arrested while Pony Ma serves in the National People's Congress. They're both capitalist billionaire scum but Xiao Jianhua tried to screw over other rich people. I'm sure China would like a convenient legal process to extradite billionaires from HK, but it will be for capital flight, tax evasion, or defrauding investors. Rent seeking and exploitation will still be allowed.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:59
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Oct 10, 2019 05:30
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ngl thats a pretty cool orc statue
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Oct 10, 2019 05:32
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No way that China doesn't have an even cooler orc statue that we Defenders of Xi may convene at
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Oct 10, 2019 05:55
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SorePotato posted:No way that China doesn't have an even cooler orc statue that we Defenders of Xi may convene at Ya but only the cool defenders got invited, sorry pal
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Oct 10, 2019 06:09
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LimburgLimbo posted:I know it’s not an argument made in good faith or seriousness, or made out of true ignorance but I’ve been loling at the idea of how people here would react to the US doing some of the things China does, like mandatory military training and propaganda sessions for students as young as middle school depending on the province. from a million posts ago but many states and county's have mandatory JROTC which is high school.
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Oct 10, 2019 07:47
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i certainly agree it was not about the bill, the bill was just the tipping point where HKers went "you know actually we're pretty annoyed with this whole ultracapitalist authoritarianism thing" I've got bad news about liberal democracy and ultracapitalist authoritarianism Bro Dad posted:Weird because the billionaires who literally own hk are against the protests because its bringing down property values rents in Shenzhen are half of what they are in Hong Kong because the CCP stepped in to implement new rules and restrictions to keep housing prices from inflating out of control. if nothing else the Chinese government wants their cities to actually be livable on some level, instead of allowing situations where Hong Kongers can't even move back to Hong Kong - not for any legal reasons but because it's literally too expensive. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 08:09 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 08:03
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Is it just me or does most of the anti-china poo poo reddit pumps out seem more like literal yellow scare poo poo from the late 1800's than actual pro-democracy stuff
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Oct 10, 2019 08:09
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Venom Snake posted:Is it just me or does most of the anti-china poo poo reddit pumps out seem more like literal yellow scare poo poo from the late 1800's than actual pro-democracy stuff It's Reddit
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Oct 10, 2019 08:10
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like it's all a giant big evil china monster harming a poor defenseless cute asian women
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Oct 10, 2019 08:10
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Internet going out of their way to make funny jokes about China involving current events and Blizzard's media while Reddit is thoroughly studying Dr. Seuss WWII cartoons
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Oct 10, 2019 08:13
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Venom Snake posted:Is it just me or does most of the anti-china poo poo reddit pumps out seem more like literal yellow scare poo poo from the late 1800's than actual pro-democracy stuff yes
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Oct 10, 2019 08:15
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