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Trump isn't even good at being a bully, Jesus.
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Paradoxish posted:If this is accurate, then it's pretty much as bad as it could have been. Erdogan didn't even bribe him, he just literally intimidated him into abandoning the Kurds. Yep. Just what I thought--Trump got rolled and served up the Kurds on a platter to make Erdogan happy. ImpAtom posted:Trump isn't even good at being a bully, Jesus. Trump can't even fire people directly, which was like his entire brand prior to getting into the genocide business.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:17
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"Mr. Trump demurred...." "He took off his hat?" wondered the chud cloud....
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Oct 10, 2019 04:17
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Paradoxish posted:If this is accurate, then it's pretty much as bad as it could have been. Erdogan didn't even bribe him, he just literally intimidated him into abandoning the Kurds. Let’s be fair, this is also the most likely thing too. Trump bowing to Ergodan is much less likely. Ergodan knows with absolute certainty that Trump doesn’t want an unpopular war while he is being investigated so closely and while his economy is nearing a recession, and while we are involved in hostilities with China, Russia, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, I guess we are friends with Mexico now... basically, the stars have aligned for Ergodan. There was never a better moment to strike, and he knows it. Americans won’t support a war to avenge the Kurds.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:18
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Lol no loving way By the far the most powerful country militarily in the world, bullied by at best by a third rate regional power Just what the gently caress
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Oct 10, 2019 04:19
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What leverage does Turkey have to get the US out of the way of their genocide? What pressure would they begin applying if there were still us troops in the region five years from now? Proxy terrorism?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:19
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Tatsuta Age posted:what about this political cartoon, seems different than the others Garrison depicts a two state solution for Israel with the West Bank being a separate country. That’s different from Trump’s position 
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Oct 10, 2019 04:20
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TulliusCicero posted:Lol no loving way Interesting point of fact: Turkey actually has the second-largest, second-best-funded military in NATO. But yeah, there's a pretty steep dropoff after #1.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:20
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lurker2006 posted:What leverage does Turkey have to get the US out of the way of their genocide? What pressure would they begin applying if there were still us troops in the region five years from now? Proxy terrorism? My genuine bet: "You're already in trouble in your country and if more soldiers die under your watch you'll be more likely to be impeached."
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Oct 10, 2019 04:21
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lurker2006 posted:What leverage does Turkey have to get the US out of the way of their genocide? What pressure would they begin applying if there were still us troops in the region five years from now? Proxy terrorism? Basically, yes. They'd just fund them like they did before Trump took office. They'd keep buying stolen ISIS oil or whatever the gently caress.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:22
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Slowpoke! posted:Let’s be fair, this is also the most likely thing too. Trump bowing to Ergodan is much less likely. Ergodan knows with absolute certainty that Trump doesn’t want an unpopular war while he is being investigated so closely and while his economy is nearing a recession, and while we are involved in hostilities with China, Russia, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, I guess we are friends with Mexico now... basically, the stars have aligned for Ergodan. There was never a better moment to strike, and he knows it. Americans won’t support a war to avenge the Kurds. Turkey was bluffing and would have NEVER dared get in a shooting war with the US over anything. If there was anyone but a complete and utter coward in the White House they would have called their bluff and this would have ended but Erdogan guessed correctly that Trump would fold immediately.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:22
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 God, he got loving worked
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Oct 10, 2019 04:23
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lurker2006 posted:What leverage does Turkey have to get the US out of the way of their genocide? What pressure would they begin applying if there were still us troops in the region five years from now? Proxy terrorism? https://twitter.com/OMGno2trump/status/1181262313929760770
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Oct 10, 2019 04:23
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Turkey was bluffing and would have NEVER dared get in a shooting war with the US over anything. If there was anyone but a complete and utter coward in the White House they would have called their bluff and this would have ended but Erdogan guessed correctly that Trump would fold immediately. So say Turkey does get into a hot war with the US. Would that effectively dissolve NATO? What happens to Article 5?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:25
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The Glumslinger posted:
Shouldn't this be the worst possible thing to his base? He has absolutely no balls, just a craven coward TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 04:25
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lurker2006 posted:What leverage does Turkey have to get the US out of the way of their genocide? What pressure would they begin applying if there were still us troops in the region five years from now? Proxy terrorism? They are our ally and we use their military base for our airforce, which is very strategic given its proximity to Russia and the Middle East.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:26
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ThanosWasRight posted:She has a hard-on for dictators in Asia like Modhi. I'm surprised she doesn't love Erdogan. she receives a ton of support and a jillion dollars from very, very rich, modi-aligned Indian-Americans, at least that might in itself enough to explain any of her extra quirks
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Oct 10, 2019 04:27
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pkay posted:Basically, yes. They'd just fund them like they did before Trump took office. They'd keep buying stolen ISIS oil or whatever the gently caress. Why in the gently caress are the countries we're friendliest toward always the ones funding the specific terrorists that attack the west? When's the last time an Iranian attack killed a westerner?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:27
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Slowpoke! posted:They are our ally and we use their military base for our airforce, which is very strategic given its proximity to Russia and the Middle East. I mean wouldn’t turkey be unwilling to lose the US presence there as there is a protective power projection aspect for them?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:27
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TulliusCicero posted:Shouldn't this be the worst possible thing to his base? He has absolutely no balls, just a craven coward Fake news Same as it always was and always will be
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Oct 10, 2019 04:28
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Oct 10, 2019 04:29
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lurker2006 posted:Why in the gently caress are the countries we're friendliest toward always the ones funding the specific terrorists that attack the west? When's the last time an Iranian attack killed a westerner? Or you know outright attacking their ally's civilians in their own land for exercising their nation's freedom of speech.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:31
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Slowpoke! posted:They are our ally and we use their military base for our airforce, which is very strategic given its proximity to Russia and the Middle East. Incirlik isn't just beneficial to the US. There's no way Turkey would have threatened the US presence there. Erdogan had no leverage at all. Trump folded entirely because he was terrified that he might be blamed if a confrontation went poorly.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:31
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ELO Musk posted:I mean wouldn’t turkey be unwilling to lose the US presence there as there is a protective power projection aspect for them? Against whom, though? It's not like Putin is going to go for Constantinople.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:31
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That’s a pretty big mistake you idiot lol. TulliusCicero posted:Shouldn't this be the worst possible thing to his base? He has absolutely no balls, just a craven coward They either wouldn’t believe it or believe it’s a good outcome because lol if you think Trump supporters are concerned about non-white non-Christians halfway round the world.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:31
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lurker2006 posted:Why in the gently caress are the countries we're friendliest toward always the ones funding the specific terrorists that attack the west? When's the last time an Iranian attack killed a westerner? Or outright accusing your ally of attempting a coup to overthrow your government? Turkey is trying to play both sides and Erdogan has been in a super tight spot as of recently.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:33
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TulliusCicero posted:Shouldn't this be the worst possible thing to his base? He has absolutely no balls, just a craven coward The new narrative is that Trump is a peacemaker, just like Jesus would want. Yes I know these are the same people who howled for Iraqi blood.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:34
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Lightning Knight posted:That’s a pretty big mistake you idiot lol. Nevertheless,
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Oct 10, 2019 04:36
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lurker2006 posted:Why in the gently caress are the countries we're friendliest toward always the ones funding the specific terrorists that attack the west? When's the last time an Iranian attack killed a westerner? It's all theater. We've been sucking up to the saudis forever and they've been producing/funding crazies for a long long time. I feel like every one of Tulsi's positions are on the front page of RT.com.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:37
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infernal machines posted:Nevertheless, It’s so easy to show corruption from Trump, ahhhhh why is American journalism such poo poo Don’t answer this question it’s rhetorical
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Oct 10, 2019 04:39
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EwokEntourage posted:What Supreme Court case with pg&e involved interstate commerce? Just curious. I see one on federal preemption regarding nuclear power (pg&e lost), one on bankruptcy and attorneys fees (pg&e lost), and the one on the first amendment grounds that pg&e won but seems it was correctly decided (though it has a decent dissent from Rehnquist of all people arguing against expanding a company’s first amendment rights. Worth a read) I just went back and looked again and I'm wrong. Two things here: #1 - Misreading "intrastate commerce" as "interstate" (and it was California Supreme Court) #2 - Misremembering the outcome of the 1990s deregulation insanity with Enron and abusing spot-trade pricing. For some reason, I remembered PG&E being in on that and not going bankrupt from it. Sorry about that. I'm completely full of poo poo on the interstate commerce thing.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:43
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OddObserver posted:Against whom, though? It's not like Putin is going to go for Constantinople. No but they can ask for air support if we are there to ask, we probably share intel, and I think it ends up letting them take our money for us to do some stuff they would otherwise have to deal with themselves. Why wouldn’t they want bases?
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Oct 10, 2019 04:43
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Midgetskydiver posted:The new narrative is that Trump is a peacemaker, just like Jesus would want. Yes I know these are the same people who howled for Iraqi blood. Donald the Dove.
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Oct 10, 2019 04:45
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Sir Lemming posted:What does this tweet even mean Trump thinks everything in life is like television. His Normandy quote is "a different take" like you might do more than one take for a scene shoot, and since his mush-brain is broken he believes that this alternate take is fake because he thinks it was left on the cutting room floor. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 04:46
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I love that these idiots can't just believe the president's an idiot who doesn't give a poo poo about the lives of people not related to him hours, years, whatever, this HAS to be a conspiracy and not just our big dumb boy getting rolled!
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Oct 10, 2019 04:47
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Trump's right, the Kurds did nothing to help his people defend the beaches of Normandy
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Oct 10, 2019 05:05
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Dave Grool posted:She should meet my ex Sorry, no jokes allowed!!! Probation! Comedy is forbidden!
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Oct 10, 2019 05:08
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1glitch0 posted:Sorry, no jokes allowed!!! Probation! Comedy is forbidden! Hack jokes are not immune.
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Oct 10, 2019 05:10
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Paradoxish posted:Incirlik isn't just beneficial to the US. There's no way Turkey would have threatened the US presence there. There didn't even need to be a confrontation. Someone goes "you're taking too long to set up a safe zone, we're going to go in to make one ourselves", Trump's answer was just loving "Okay, you got it". The fact that he's telling you he's going to attack, and not just doing it, is an invitation to diplomacy and Trump didn't even make a drat attempt.
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it's really just occam's razor: trump gets bored when anyone talks about things other than his interests, so there's no need to extort him on syrian kurds, you can just declare unilaterally you're going to do something and count on him being too stupid and lazy to stop you
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