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Failed Imagineer posted:Unlike Joker, it addressed the most relevant question of our age What's great about this film is it has all the levels and I like it on all of them. Ironically, sincerely, as a super dumb gross out comedy, as a work of art by an auteur with more money than he ever expected to be given to make his art, as a deconstruction of Farrelly Brothers style of movie by simply taking it as far as the Hollywood system would let it go. All the levels.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:jesus, I think I've got a copy of that hanging around somewhere I've still got a physical copy but it's also on Steam now!
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The sweet release of death is almost upon us peeps: https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/08/tories-tweet-people-mental-health-conditions-neutered-10881980/?ito=article.mweb.share.top.link quote:A Tory Twitter account tweeted that people with mental health conditions should be ‘neutered’.
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forkboy84 posted:What's great about this film is it has all the levels and I like it on all of them. Ironically, sincerely, as a super dumb gross out comedy, as a work of art by an auteur with more money than he ever expected to be given to make his art, as a deconstruction of Farrelly Brothers style of movie by simply taking it as far as the Hollywood system would let it go. All the levels. I think red letter media did a fantastic review of this last year.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I think it was in an Every Frame a Painting video, but someone said that the Joker does bad things for good reasons, and Batman does good things for bad reasons, and I like that as an overview. The thing I find funny about this is people (not just you but critics, fans, even psychologists) all try to find a deeper meaning to the Joker's actions or suggest that hes an agent for social change. But he never is. It doesn't matter if he's a person with mental illness, a good person who suffered "one bad day" or a gangster playing at being crazy to game the system. He's always a person who does what he does for himself. He is just really good at selling his bullshit. He is just someone who co-ops messages when they suit him and dumps them later. Even in Nolan's films he is all "do I look like a guy with a plan?" Yes you do. You have a plan that involves putting bombs on ferries.
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serious gaylord posted:I think red letter media did a fantastic review of this last year. I was so excited to see that because I felt vindicated. Specifically there was a bit at the end of the review where Jay mentioned "Tom Green talked about a Directors Cut" & Mike's eyes just lit up and this was me. Give me more horrendously awful, amoral and dark deconstruction of really mediocre studio comedies. Fucksake, that film is so unrelenting and dark (and not in the way dark has come to mean some loving stupid Zack Snyder film with interminable fight scenes) and mean. Like, it's a Hollywood comedy with a name explicitly referencing molestation. It's not funny in & of itself (okay, it's a little funny), but in the metacontext of who funded the film (Regency did The King of Comedy and JFK and Pretty Woman) it is hilarious because how did that get approved? forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 12:42
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it comes up on the rlm thing but the ebert review - even though he, correctly, called the movie total garbage he acknowledged it was unique garbage. one of rip torn's finest performances, too.
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The Question IRL posted:The thing I find funny about this is people (not just you but critics, fans, even psychologists) all try to find a deeper meaning to the Joker's actions or suggest that hes an agent for social change. Nolan's joker has huge agency imo. In the opening act of the Dark Knight he ends mob rule of Gotham, achieving Batman and Dent's ambitions before the film has even properly got going. By the end he has united the people of Gotham against his philosophical target (Batman). This video is pretty much the last word on Nolan's joker for me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFTmCqq-rYc - it essentially argues he is the Dark Knight's main protagonist. Far more importantly though I am very much looking forward to Parliament's Saturday night special! Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Oct 10, 2019 12:45
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radmonger posted:Maybe it isn’t a bad thing they are not taking too much advice from experienced protestors. I mean, if capitalism has already been successfully overthrown by those protest experts, then no one told me. You are such a loving idiot
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The Question IRL posted:The thing I find funny about this is people (not just you but critics, fans, even psychologists) all try to find a deeper meaning to the Joker's actions or suggest that hes an agent for social change. Yeah, but the Joker isn't real. The people who write, direct and perform the films he's in are, and they actually are trying to provide a deeper meaning and suggest that he's an "agent of social change".
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The real hero of Gotham is that dude who killed Wayne's parents.
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Rarity posted:You are such a loving idiot Exactly as stupid as the Extinction Rebellion leadership, I would say, because that does seem to be how they think. They're not teaching you how to fail, you idiots, they're teaching you how to survive in an incredibly hostile system. They learned these things the hard way, and because of your arrogance you will have to do that too. loving middle class brain geniuses convinced they're good at everything automatically 
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Nosfereefer posted:The real hero of Gotham is that dude who killed Wayne's parents. To the contrary. I think you'll find it's capitalism that allowed the Wayne family to flourish and have stuff worth nicking in the first place.
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Nosfereefer posted:The real hero of Gotham is that dude who killed Wayne's parents. Which until now I always thought as the Joker because of the 1989 film.
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forkboy84 posted:I was so excited to see that because I felt vindicated. Specifically there was a bit at the end of the review where Jay mentioned "Tom Green talked about a Directors Cut" & Mike's eyes just lit up and this was me. Give me more horrendously awful, amoral and dark deconstruction of really mediocre studio comedies. Fucksake, that film is so unrelenting and dark (and not in the way dark has come to mean some loving stupid Zack Snyder film with interminable fight scenes) and mean. Even if you view it as a deconstruction of those sorts of comedy films, FGF is still absolute irredeemable trash and any sort of commentary you may be crediting it with is almost certainly unintended. Tom Green was simply flinging poo poo and seeing what stuck. I watched it as a 14 year old and laughed because it was absurd, but that is reliant on shock value. Its hard to be shocked by it once you know its coming and without the bewilderment and confusion to mask it, its honestly just really really dull. If you honestly, really rate this film, then I suggest you watch Movie 43 because you might actually enjoy that too and you deserve it.
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!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!! I will be within spitting distance of the Queen tomorrow as she is visiting the council housing my parents live at and I'm visiting. It seems a waste to be within spitting distance of the queen and not spit on the queen, but it also might upset a bunch of old nurses and firefighters
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Calico Heart posted:!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!! This is like the trolley problem. By spitting on the queen you save Boris from the tower but by spitting you topple the monarchy.
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Necrothatcher posted:Yeah, but the Joker isn't real. The people who write, direct and perform the films he's in are, and they actually are trying to provide a deeper meaning and suggest that he's an "agent of social change". It's a good episode and you should listen to it at least as far as the Aussie review, which is slightly overplayed but great nonetheless. * WE LIVE IN A Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Calico Heart posted:!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!! You uh, might want to delete this. Security services have monitored this thread in the past.
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Well Rupert Reed the XR guy wrote this a few years back... https://theecologist.org/2014/jun/19/love-immigrants-rather-large-scale-immigration Just endless bad politics for anyone who isn't middle class and white. No wonder they had to bake in 'no politics please' or they would actually have to confront this shite.
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Necrothatcher posted:You uh, might want to delete this. Security services have monitored this thread in the past.
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Trickjaw posted:He went to college with, you guessed it, Joris. Wonder if he's going to pull the trick he did the other day on Daily Politics. He had written his nieces names on his forearm (in lipstick it looked like) "I'm doing this for them!" Then couldn't remember their ages when asked. I think I saw a clip of that, if it's the one where he goes "one's about 10, the other's in their teens".
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HJB posted:I think I saw a clip of that, if it's the one where he goes "one's about 10, the other's in their teens". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNvDRAYJfo&t=92s
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Calico Heart posted:!!!THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!! Get Jose to PM you some pics and print them off and show them to her
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namesake posted:Well Rupert Reed the XR guy wrote this a few years back... There's a big difference between "people shouldn't feel pushed to travel thousands of miles to live and work in Europe" and "people shouldn't be allowed to travel thousands of miles to live and work in Europe", or "climate change displacing millions of people in the Global South is terrible" and "climate change displacing millions of people in the Global South is terrible because they might move next door to me", and in the middle are the people saying "these people all sound exactly the same" while refusing to fund increases in public services. Weaksauce half-burns about fascism though. Failed Imagineer posted:Get Jose to PM you some pics and print them off and show them to her
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Necrothatcher posted:You uh, might want to delete this. Security services have monitored this thread in the past. Did it not turn out that this was because Jakabite was duplicating a bunch of his posts from here on facebook, and one of those posts was "I'm going to waterbomb the Olympic torch"? e/ although probably best to err on the side of caution for the sake of the forums if not yourself, iirc LF did get Lowtax a call from the US secret service or something over presidential murderchat Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Zalakwe posted:To the contrary. I think you'll find it's capitalism that allowed the Wayne family to flourish and have stuff worth nicking in the first place. This is literal text in the first Nolan film isn't it? Something about how evil Liam Neeson "uses economics" to wreck havoc on the city but is thwarted by good capitalist Batman's Dad building a monorail and staving off recession. Which seems like pure centrism.txt: mass transit and infrastructure projects can be good economic stimuli, but only when undertaken by hard-working entrepreneurs rather than the state
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HJB posted:I think I saw a clip of that, if it's the one where he goes "one's about 10, the other's in their teens". Yep, that's the dipshit. Total centrist fop, who would probably be out with his shot gun if you dawdled on to the inevitable right of way running through his estate.
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Braggart posted:They’re not teaching you how to fail, you idiots, they're teaching you how to survive in an incredibly hostile system. In other words, how to make protestIng a life long hobby, not something you do with the aim of achieving some political or social change. To cross the streams, the Joker has been killing people on the streets of Gotham city for like 40 years now, with supernatural skill, above the reach of the state or even other mythical figures. If he was an agent of social change , then when is that change scheduled for again? You get Joker-like figures in the kinds of tribal societies that don’t meaningfully change over the millennia; they represent the eternal possibility of change, forever delayed.
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radmonger posted:In other words, how to make protestIng a life long hobby, not something you do with the aim of achieving some political or social change. Please stop making metaphors. Your metaphors are somehow worse than your insipid and stupid politics.
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radmonger posted:In other words, how to make protestIng a life long hobby, not something you do with the aim of achieving some political or social change. my god you're a dumbass
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Guavanaut posted:He does at least mention the need to do this by more foreign aid that isn't arms sales to build up the areas that are being turned into desolation zones by emigration, both domestically and internationally, rather than throwing up walls and machinegun posts like the European right want to do. I'm not going to let "Yes: just because Hitler liked something doesn't mean it was necessarily bad. But there is a genuine similarity between why governments now secretly like mass immigration, and why fascism openly encouraged population growth." Slide because that's just UKIP talk in nicer language. You solve the problems globally and then let people move where they like because that's what global equality means rather than quibbling over who gets to move where which will always be racist and classist. Also goatse the queen, make this happen.
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radmonger posted:In other words, how to make protestIng a life long hobby, not something you do with the aim of achieving some political or social change. This isn't some new tactic, though? It's an old, failed tactic. The history of the twentieth century is littered with the bones of protest groups who thought they could tank the legal fees from having most of their people arrested.
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radmonger posted:In other words, how to make protestIng a life long hobby, not something you do with the aim of achieving some political or social change. How the gently caress do you function in real life?
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Jose posted:Cuckfield, sussex I was born and raised 5 mins from there, in the picturesque village of Nutley
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Niric posted:This might be of interest to some people here: Momentum are launching a volunteer research project to "collate vital information about opposition candidates - and much more" for the (presumably) upcoming election. If you can spare ~3 hrs a week and want to help get a Labour government, sign up here: Already signed up and got trained 
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feedmegin posted:Already signed up and got trained We're not supposed to talk about the super secret antifa training. :shhh:
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