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exquisite tea posted:The "just another day at the bureau" attitude all the supporting characters have even as their workplace is being invaded by extradimensional horrors is one of the best things Control has going for it. *looks at your gun that you just picked up off a corpse* “Oh! You must be the new Director. We weren’t expecting you today. Sorry things are a little weird right now. Most of our staff have been taken over by some sort of malevolent entity from another dimension. Let me know if you have any questions!”
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Kit Walker posted:The members of the Bureau themselves are all fairly fanatical, both intensely enthusiastic and curious about weird poo poo and also largely unbothered by the insanely high death toll within their ranks that their work causes unspoiling this because it pretty well summarizes one of the best minor character beats in the game, when the PC tells a researcher that they're able to fast-travel through the complex. the researcher's response amounts to, "What!? That's unthinkable! None of our models accounted for this! You've completely undone years of work! I love it. Tell me more."
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I loved how Mario Odyssey ended now that I've beaten it, with Peach ditching both Mario and Bowser and nearly stranding them on the moon together due to both of them acting like idiots. Also I like her attitude in general: "Well, I saw some cool places while kidnapped, Imma go explore them now that I'm free to do so." I just kind of wish they'd do something with her like with Toadette in Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. That was much more interesting.
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Oxxidation posted:unspoiling this because it pretty well summarizes one of the best minor character beats in the game, when the PC tells a researcher that they're able to fast-travel through the complex. I've only played a couple hours of Control but Emily is awesome and I extremely hope she doesn't end up turning on the player
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Phy posted:I've only played a couple hours of Control but Emily is awesome and I extremely hope she doesn't end up turning on the player I absolutely love her intro where she's somehow grinning with her molars while breathlessly giving you an explanation of the House that doesn't make a blind bit of sense. Control overlabours a lot of its backstory - like, we see grainy soundless video footage of some terrible horror happening, and then a few hours later we find an audiotape of that exact scene; we have a million interviews covering every last detail, often twice or more. Which is a shame, because its terser moments are absolute gems of deadpan absurdism. Minor background spoilers: "What's the Clocks?" "The Clocks is a threshold. Last Director had it sealed up, because of all the Clocks" " Should you work-station change unexpecedtly, or if you find yourself in an unfamiliar room, try singing a gentle, soothing song. This will help keep you calm, as well as the room" The Bureau has absolutely no idea what is going on, and it owns.
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Chalk me up as another person who bought Control because of this thread. I played like 45 minutes before work this morning and I"m looking into digging in more when I get home.
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i also got control because of the thread, and even though i've literally only watched the opening cinematic and walked down the first hallway, i'm on board with this southern reach comparison because this beardy guy (thatch?) is exactly how i pictured the character control in authority except aged up by 30 years  not really a universal experience, i'm guessing, but freaky for at least one seven-billionth of the planet i guess
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Oct 10, 2019 01:56
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I've been down on some aspects of Control these past couple days but there's so much about it I love. It's oozing with style, for some reason one of my favorite little things is the giant text and little echoing "boom" noise whenever you enter a new major area I don't even know why it works so well, but it's so good.
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Some of my fonder memories of university are of poking around in subbasements or the upper levels of the older buildings, well after everyone else had gone home for the night, and low key revelling in the spooky feeling of being alone in an impersonal place. Control sort of scratches that same itch so far, and it's almost a shame about all the combat and the respawning Hiss.
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Phy posted:Some of my fonder memories of university are of poking around in subbasements or the upper levels of the older buildings, well after everyone else had gone home for the night, and low key revelling in the spooky feeling of being alone in an impersonal place. Control sort of scratches that same itch so far, and it's almost a shame about all the combat and the respawning Hiss. The Hiss are genuinely the worst part of Control. The *literally everything else* is fantastic and I hope they have enough confidence to lean into the weird bizarre world stuff rather than shootmans for the sequel.
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BioEnchanted posted:I loved how Mario Odyssey ended now that I've beaten it, with Peach ditching both Mario and Bowser and nearly stranding them on the moon together due to both of them acting like idiots. Also I like her attitude in general: "Well, I saw some cool places while kidnapped, Imma go explore them now that I'm free to do so." I just kind of wish they'd do something with her like with Toadette in Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. That was much more interesting. Super Princess Peach exists. So maybe it's best they don't do that.
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What about, and hear me out on this, Nintendo: Super Princess Peach...but good
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Captain Hygiene posted:What about, and hear me out on this, Nintendo: Super Princess Peach...but good You ramble the dreams of a mad man.
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Captain Hygiene posted:What about, and hear me out on this, Nintendo: Super Princess Peach...but good I've been wanting a Princess game of Daisy and Peach- and possibly Rosalina- for years now but that's about as likely to happen as a new Starfox game.
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I don't have a ton of faith that Nintendo can do female protagonists well, considering what happened to Samus.
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I'll sign off on a Peach/Daisy/Rosalina game, Nintendo has it in em if they just try hard enough.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I'll sign off on a Peach/Daisy/Rosalina game, Nintendo has it in em if they just try hard enough. I mean...do they? Their only notable female protagonist is Samus which was better when she didn't have a personality, or at least only a subtlely implied one.
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I wouldn’t want them to do a Princess Peach game unless they had a really good idea for it. We certainly don’t want another Super Princess Peach on our hands. Until then I’d be happy if they made her playable in more main series Mario games. For content, I really love how in Super Mario 3D World we got to see Peach interact with the world in the same way that the Mario brothers do. The fact that you can see her get hit and turn into Small Peach, pick up a fire flower and get an awesome red-and-white dress, and so on really made her feel like an actual part of the world.
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Nintendo's only problem with female protagonists is that the one time they tried to do a big character piece about their one major leading lady, they gave it to the one guy who should never be trusted with it. ...also Super Princess Peach, though... I have no idea what to blame for that one. I think Zelda deserves a turn before Peach gets another one, though, and I think they'll struggle to mess that one up that bad.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I mean...do they? Serious post: yeah, they do. They can still design top notch platformers when they really try, and the princesses have enough character beats to start from if Nintendo really wanted to use them. Samus was a weird situation with an idiosyncratic director given too much leeway. Would it actually happen? Probably not in reality, but it's within the realm of possibility.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I mean...do they? Their only notable female protagonist is Samus which was better when she didn't have a personality, or at least only a subtlely implied one. She had a personality in Fusion, and she was perfectly fine in that game.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I mean...do they? Their only notable female protagonist is Samus which was better when she didn't have a personality, or at least only a subtlely implied one. Samus is the rare case where the noncanon fan version of the character is both more nuanced and less sexist than the canon one.
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Double Punctuation posted:She had a personality in Fusion, and she was perfectly fine in that game. Hell, the Computer AI had a better personality than the guy he was in-story based on.
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Tunicate posted:Samus is the rare case where the noncanon fan version of the character is both more nuanced and less sexist than the canon one. Are you talking about the AwkwardZombie version, where Samus is jacked as hell and eats birdseed and might be trans? Because yes.
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My Time At Portia continues to reveal things since I last played that I dig a lot, plus some I don't think I ever mentioned. - The setting. Okay, not a little thing, but I struggle to think of another game that is explicitly not post-apocalypse, but post-post-apocalyptic. Sure, some would say it is thematically naive to basically be a setting where the proverbial second-time-around actually works, but man, I don't need every after-the-end property to eventually redo Canticle. The oldest people remember the darkest times, there are ruins and dangers that dot the landscape, but the general take is that the problems now are ones that define a world rebuilding itself (kinda) fine. - When seeing inside a chest (not sure what the limit is on where they are placed where this works), you can immediately switch to other chests. Open your "Stuff That Comes From Trees" chest, click a Next button or pick from a drop-down menu, and bam, you're looking in the "Bits of technology" chest. Really nice. - Related to the above one, the game's Sort All feature is awesome. If you're looking in, say, your Stuff That Comes From Trees chest (which has Wood and Leaves, among other things), that button will automatically place all of the Wood and Leaves into the chest. Great for when your inventory expands beyond one screen, and also great when you can't remember what you-from-the-last-time-you-played defined {item} as, for sorting purposes.
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Double Punctuation posted:She had a personality in Fusion, and she was perfectly fine in that game. Eh, Fusion still had a weird feel to it and planted a lot of seeds that led directly into Other M. But I've never liked Fusion all that much to begin with.
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Fusion was a good game and excelled at what it aimed to do. And the bits of personality that they did give Samus in it really dont logically lead into Other M. Shes sober minded and calm and not the emotional wreck from Other M. In fact it retcons Samus not knowing the GalFed scientists are just one step removed from Space Pirate Science Team. Sakamoto just had a huge brain fart and made her a submissive waifu, and I assume he either did not have that in mind for fusion, didnt have enough space/capability on the GBA, or had much more oversight and other experienced nintendo people who could shut him down working on it. gently caress the authorization poo poo alone is bullshit. God I hope Prime 4 is good Rigged Death Trap has a new favorite as of 13:49 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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I was going to suggest a Peach & Daisy rpg but Nintendo gutted the division that used to make those so
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bony tony posted:Are you talking about the AwkwardZombie version, where Samus is jacked as hell and eats birdseed and might be trans? I always read her as kind of an asocial violent loner, personally. But yeah, Awkward Zombie's interpretation is absolutely fine. 
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Almost seem like even nintendo should pass off any female-protagonist leading-games to western devs they form partnerships with like Retro.
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Olaf The Stout posted:Almost seem like even nintendo should pass off any female-protagonist leading-games to western devs they form partnerships with like Retro. Nintendo protagonists have never had a strong voice or personality so yeah, they would basically have to.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I always read her as kind of an asocial violent loner, personally. I remember a fancomic that had her only communicating through sign language because she was raised by bird people who didnt have vocal chords. That was nice.
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Captain Hygiene posted:I've been down on some aspects of Control these past couple days but there's so much about it I love. It's oozing with style, for some reason one of my favorite little things is the giant text and little echoing "boom" noise whenever you enter a new major area It’s a big splash of text that pops up when you’re entering a new area and are most on guard. It blocks your vision and effectively takes away control. Eh? Eh?
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https://kotaku.com/the-fonts-in-control-make-its-world-feel-way-creepier-1837714580
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bony tony posted:Are you talking about the AwkwardZombie version, where Samus is jacked as hell and eats birdseed and might be trans? Saying that she is trans just because she is a buff woman is super lame and goes into  territory. That seems to be the only reason people say she is trans.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Sakamoto just had a huge brain fart and made her a submissive waifu, Didn't help that he called her a bounty hunter from the very first game, then flipped out when the makers of Prime 3 wanted to include... bounty hunting, as a game mechanic, because in his mind she'd never do something like kill/capture people for money.
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Cythereal posted:Didn't help that he called her a bounty hunter from the very first game, then flipped out when the makers of Prime 3 wanted to include... bounty hunting, as a game mechanic, because in his mind she'd never do something like kill/capture people for money. IIRC, they called her a "bounty hunter" because "bounty hunter" is a pair of cool english words to say and they didn't ever look into what "bounty hunter" actually meant. Sort of like how "Blade Runner" is called that after an unrelated novel and it has nothing at all to do with shooting replicants or whatever. It just sounds cool.
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I always figured it was a mistranslation of "mercenary".
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