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True that, I don't discredit the movie for it. It made me feel uncomfortable to watch. I do have some mental illness in my family which probably made it hit me harder.
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I like the way we retell stories over time using the same characters, so watching the Joker through a very laboured vintage Scorcese lens was pretty fun. Do Catwoman in Mean Girls next.
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Who the hell was filming an unknown comedian at an open mic in a comedy club and then submitted that footage to a late night show?
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Yeah I can see a comedy club filming it's talent and sending the tapes out to scouts for a fee. Whether a comedy club would have cameras during that time period is more questionable.
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iamsosmrt posted:In a vacuum, you're right, but he gives off a lot of obvious "stay away" and "try to be civil to not provoke or offend" tells that strangers tend to pick up on. Phoenix was not very subtle throughout the movie, or least that's how I saw it. For instance, the mom and kid on the bus, as soon as his crazy laughter started and never stopped, I wouldnt think they'd need a card to see that he's got a problem. Have you ever been on a bus when there's someone with a definite mental issue like Phoenix portrays in that scene? The reactions seemed very real to me and I've unfortunately seen the situation play out in real life loving loads and loads.
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That movie was a loving slog. I watched it with a friend, and the walk back to the metro was just one of us recalling some extremely forgettable scene and both of us groaning at remembering it. Him killing his mom was especially just... lol. The whole reveal was pointless, and him suddenly murdering her was so out of left field. Also the ending in Arkham, just, ughhhh. e: Positives, though: the set design owned. I loved how grungy the city looked. And Joaquin Penis was good? I couldn't pay attention over the movie hitting me over the head with him.
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Taear posted:Have you ever been on a bus when there's someone with a definite mental issue like Phoenix portrays in that scene? The reactions seemed very real to me and I've unfortunately seen the situation play out in real life loving loads and loads. Yes, more than a few times and people tend to try to give that person a lot of space out of respect, fear or discomfort. At least adults do. I'll admit teens and younger are a wild card. It could be in the areas I've frequented, perhaps it's rougher in larger cities like NYC.
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well why not posted:RIP to the people who were murdered by Dungeons and/or Dragons. You really have to look no further then the effect Jaws had on beach attendance and a rise in killing sharks that people let movies have a effect on their world view as if they were real events.
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androo posted:That movie was a loving slog. I watched it with a friend, and the walk back to the metro was just one of us recalling some extremely forgettable scene and both of us groaning at remembering it. We happened to be sitting in seats that would be reserved for 4d in any other movie and I was so, so glad they didn’t do that for the spoiler scene
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I wonder how many times “Joker takes a slow drag from his cigarette” was written in the screenplay. Dude was smoking so much I almost expected to see him puffing away while sitting on the toilet.
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androo posted:Joaquin Penis LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah this movie was mad men levels of “smoke a lot to make protagonist seem dark-and-mysterious-cool”
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Bottom Liner posted:Yeah this movie was mad men levels of “smoke a lot to make protagonist seem dark-and-mysterious-cool” Think you might want to rewatch Mad Men champ.
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Steve2911 posted:Think you might want to rewatch Mad Men champ. Just did actually, and it’s quite notable how they portray don smoking vs the other characters
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ruddiger posted:I wonder how many times “Joker takes a slow drag from his cigarette” was written in the screenplay. Dude was smoking so much I almost expected to see him puffing away while sitting on the toilet. He acts like all my friends and my entire family.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:You really have to look no further then the effect Jaws had on beach attendance and a rise in killing sharks that people let movies have a effect on their world view as if they were real events. It’s a really interesting topic. What part of the population is susceptible to this and what part knows that it’s not real? How much sway exactly can one film have over a culture. I’d love some more examples.
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well why not posted:It’s a really interesting topic. What part of the population is susceptible to this and what part knows that it’s not real? How much sway exactly can one film have over a culture. I’d love some more examples. It's not quite the same I guess but I remember reading about The Day After Tomorrow having a measurable impact on fuel-efficient car purchases, number of people donating to climate activist orgs, and writing to representatives. Would be interested in hearing more examples of this as well.
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The entire weird deification of Nikolai Tesla among the Redditor generation pretty much started entirely because of The Prestige's depiction of the character. The movie debuted in October of 2006 and if you look at the google trends map searches for the dude the month afterward had exponentially more people looking up info about him. For things like that or Jaws making people hate sharks it's more people being made aware of a concept they weren't aware of already though, the Tipper Gore/Joseph Lieberman school of thought where basic human behavior is something that can be eroded by the morality of works of fiction isn't really comparable to say War Games making people in the 80s think that computer hackers could start a nuclear war with a phone call because it's their only point of reference for how networked computers work. Sleeveless fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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Sleeveless posted:The entire weird deification of Nikolai Tesla among the Redditor generation ??? reddit was not big at all when that movie came out and I don't get what group you're trying to single out here.
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CelticPredator posted:He acts like all my friends and my entire family. Does that include the weird dancing and poses
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Please dont forget people harassing actors who play villains in shows in the street or defending abusers because the character they play is sweet. Humans in general have a really hard time processing acting, which goes to show just how impressive a skill acting is.
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Actually Unironically yes. My dad likes to jig horribly in public while drunk and it’s embarrassing
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I really loving enjoyed this film, maybe one one hand because I don't see movies very often let alone movies on a big screen and am thus easily taken in by big cinema, but on the other hand because i really related to the joker since i am similarly mentally ill and infantilized. idk. I really like the idea of using a comic book villain, a piece of trite pop culture that everyone has a basic understanding of, to do an in depth and deep movie with complex themes but i do feel like this was still a shallow comic book film. There wasn't a ton of thematic depth. There wasn't a ton of depth to the character. Basically, it looked pretty "good", sounded pretty "good" and the acting was really loving cool but it didn't leave me going "woah", it just titillated me well. I hope comic book films keep getting artsier and artsier, there's a lot of potential in them. Also, the rich developing a gently caress the rich movie is absurd. I would like to see a joker film addressing that. Maybe a joker film where the joker goes to see a joker film and gets frustrated with its pandering and masterminds some seriously sick poo poo in response. Basically I'm not looking for a solution, i'm looking for a catharsis. Loved the end scene, beautiful transformation. gently caress THE FBI WHAT GREAT MARKETING!
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Sleeveless posted:I rewatched The Hangover a few months ago because it was the tenth anniversary of the film's release and in a vacuum the slurs and gay panic stuff in it were really noticeable and bad by today's standards but by and large felt like were just part of the era it was made in, the final death throes of that decade's lovely attitudes towards LGBTQ+ people; it's always a little shocking when you like look up old Daily Show clips and Jon Stewart is making jokes like "all rise for the honorable Justice Chick With Dick" to make fun of the idea of a trans person being a politician, our cultural attitude and awareness has changed to radically since then. It's only when you're viewing it through the lens of Phillips' recent public remarks about how Political Correctness Gone Mad has killed comedy and rendered him a pariah for daring to make people laugh that it becomes malicious and asinine, like he thinks himself some sort of warrior poet speaking unpleasant truths to power and society for the type of dumbass lowest common demoniator comedy where you show a fat guy in a speedo and somebody quips "OK, that's just wrong". Why would you ever watch the hangover let alone rewatch it. Lol, jokes on you.
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androo posted:That movie was a loving slog. I watched it with a friend, and the walk back to the metro was just one of us recalling some extremely forgettable scene and both of us groaning at remembering it.
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Sleeveless posted:The entire weird deification of Nikolai Tesla among the Redditor generation pretty much started entirely because of The Prestige's depiction of the character. The movie debuted in October of 2006 and if you look at the google trends map searches for the dude the month afterward had exponentially more people looking up info about him. For a really long time Final Destination made me terrified of, like, everything. Every appliance or public space was a rube goldberg death waiting to happen.
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Jurassic Park surely pumped the palaeontology departments applications a few years after its release.
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well why not posted:Jurassic Park surely pumped the palaeontology departments applications a few years after its release. Bones definitely made people want to be forensic anthropologists.
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Not trying to be facetious, but, out of respect for the general tone of this thread I rewatched Taxi Driver tonight (it's on Netflix) and holy poo poo is this movie lucky it existed when it did. Dude creeps on a woman working at a porn theater who doesn't wanna tell him his name so he monologues, then stalks a woman for the next hour (even fantasizing about killing her), before becoming obsessed with a child sex worker who he saves in the most fedora fantasy way. The whole thing is accompanied by a dreadful saxophone focused soundtrack which you can never tell whether it's meant as a tone-deaf ally to the whole picture or just an out of date relic of a film score. Robert de Nero is impressive only in his deadpan reading of the script, but if you don't buy his lunacy he simply sounds bored.
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Donovan Trip posted:Not trying to be facetious, but, out of respect for the general tone of this thread I rewatched Taxi Driver tonight (it's on Netflix) and holy poo poo is this movie lucky it existed when it did. Dude creeps on a woman working at a porn theater who doesn't wanna tell him his name so he monologues, then stalks a woman for the next hour (even fantasizing about killing her), before becoming obsessed with a child sex worker who he saves in the most fedora fantasy way. The whole thing is accompanied by a dreadful saxophone focused soundtrack which you can never tell whether it's meant as a tone-deaf ally to the whole picture or just an out of date relic of a film score. Robert de Nero is impressive only in his deadpan reading of the script, but if you don't buy his lunacy he simply sounds bored. ??? The movie could absolutely be made today. You know he’s not supposed to be a good guy or hero figure, right?? Nightcrawler is a movie that exists and received a lot of praise, despite also being about a sociopathic creep. Protagonists =/= good guy.
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Steve2911 posted:For a really long time Final Destination made me terrified of, like, everything. Every appliance or public space was a rube goldberg death waiting to happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FasaSaqsAc8 "A World Of Assassination" 
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Bottom Liner posted:??? The movie could absolutely be made today. You know he’s not supposed to be a good guy or hero figure, right?? Nightcrawler is a movie that exists and received a lot of praise, despite also being about a sociopathic creep. Protagonists =/= good guy. That's a way better movie. Taxi driver is just incel garbage.
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Am I the only one who interpreted (or recognized as a possible interpretation) his mother's mental illness as being a fabrication by Thomas Wayne, who gaslit her and consequently forced her into an asylum? This theory is bolstered by: 1. Mother never showing any signs of mental illness prior to the revelation nor after - that is, no psychotic behavior, no delusions, no abuse of Arthur, and so on. 2. Scenes of her in the asylum merely show her sticking to her story (her truth, possibly the truth) and nothing beyond it; the doctors refuse to entertain her narrative, apparently any narrative that does not comport with Thomas Wayne's version of the truth. Wayne doesn't even need to explicitly tell the doctors to do this for it to happen, not like it's uncommon for people of that ilk to trust the word of a respected, successful rich man against a lowly house-maid and woman. 3. The only evidence we have regarding Arthur's possible adoption is Thomas Wayne's words. 4. Wayne punching Arthur. As if to say, "I am powerful, I can do what I please, and I will not tolerate anyone contradicting what I say. You are nothing and therefore my reality IS reality, and don't forget it." The movie does leave it ambiguous but I'm surprised no one's mentioned this possibility. Not that this is remotely impossible today but it's certainly even more plausible in the era in which this would've happened. vvv oh yeah vvv Perry Mason Jar fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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The back of the picture of his younger mother: "Love your smile. -TW"
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Am I the only one who interpreted (or recognized as a possible interpretation) his mother's mental illness as being a fabrication by Thomas Wayne, who gaslit her and consequently forced her into an asylum? This theory is bolstered by: I also found weird that she -if she really was commited- had regained custody of her "adoptive" son. If we go by that theory it makes possible that Thomas is the one that hit her.
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(Spoilers of the same conversation) Adoption doesn't rule out Wayne being the father at all because having him in secret and her then adopting him to be his legal parent would fit with Wayne pressuring her.
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thought the movie was ok but also thought The Art Of Self Defense handled themes like violence, mental illness, toxic masculinity better and with more laughs
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