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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Enterprise D is the Big D insert "its how you use it" joke here.
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Oct 11, 2019 21:34
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HD DAD posted:Put the little d in the big d That's just basic docking.
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Oct 11, 2019 21:35
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jeeves posted:Tribbles were popular and fun just knowing they existed and when left unchecked would destroy entire ecosystems. Instead they are now in-canon as being invented by a single incompetent Starfleet dude and then the rest of a completely incompetent crew didn't know how to deal with the problem. Vent the ship? Scuttle the ship? I'm not sure how much of it is due to the "short trek" format demanding ultra-condensed stories, or how much of it is a lack of anyone exercising any restraint whatsoever on the writers, but it was definitely way over the top. It's also irritating that apparently tribbles just... spontaneously create matter out of nowhere? In TOS it made sense that they were breeding, the Enterprise crew was feeding them (and then they got into the machinery and started feeding on the food synthesizer stock), and the tribbles got into the And, yeah, it's another example of needlessly shrinking the setting by having the Tribbles be something that Starfleet originally made into a problem, rather than just "hey if you take this cute little guy out of its natural habitat you might get unexpected results!" ...Also, how long have the boots had two Starfleet delta badges on them?
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Oct 11, 2019 21:42
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Deep Space Nine built up a poo poo ton of credit before they used the Tribbles and I still wasn't thrilled. This is just not alright.
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Oct 11, 2019 21:53
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Brawnfire posted:Deep Space Nine built up a poo poo ton of credit before they used the Tribbles and I still wasn't thrilled. This is just not alright. I like their tribble episode but I'm still balls to the wall pissed at how they applied the mirror universe concept
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Oct 11, 2019 21:54
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marktheando posted:I watched Nemesis last night. I remembered almost nothing from seeing it at the cinema, except it being bad. And I remembered right, it's bad. I believe the Redlettermedia review talks about Logan a bit - https://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinketts-star-trek-nemesis-review/
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Oct 11, 2019 21:57
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Pick posted:I like their tribble episode but I'm still balls to the wall pissed at how they applied the mirror universe concept I loved the episode, they were very respectful of the source material. But they opened the door to... *gestures Discovery-ward* The MU in DS9 was laughable.
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Oct 11, 2019 22:02
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You can twist and turn all you want, but it is simply wrong, fundamentally, morally wrong, to make mirror Spock's Efforts toward a better world ultimately futile
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Oct 11, 2019 22:12
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Pick posted:You can twist and turn all you want, but it is simply wrong, fundamentally, morally wrong, to make mirror Spock's Efforts toward a better world ultimately futile hmm you make a good point there but hear me out: what if everyone was fucken evil as hell lmfoa 
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Oct 11, 2019 22:18
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Pick posted:You can twist and turn all you want, but it is simply wrong, fundamentally, morally wrong, to make mirror Spock's Efforts toward a better world ultimately futile Why? I mean, attempts to make a better world don't always work, and a lot of times, relying to reform a repressive society brings it down. And DS9 didn't just do it to the mirror universe. The overthrow of the fascist military dictatorship on Cardadsia by the liberal reformists started a cascade that ended with Cardassia in ruins. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Oct 11, 2019 |
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Oct 11, 2019 22:29
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Epicurius posted:Why? I mean, attempts to make a better world don't always work, and a lot of times, relying to reform a repressive society brings it down. because star trek isn't fukkin real life, I don't want to see realistic poo poo on my tv
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Oct 11, 2019 22:46
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if real life was GOOD we wouldn't be watching STAR TREK to begin with!!
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HD DAD posted:Put the little d in the big d 
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Oct 11, 2019 22:56
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I think I watched maybe half of the first batch of short treks before losing so much interest I just forgot about them. I wasn't going to bother this time, but I actually went out of my way to find and watch the tribbles one, just for H Jon Benjamin, and it was worth it because it was hilarious. I guess if I considered this official trek canon and I cared about how it fit in with the rest of the setting I'd hate it for making the tribbles a created by star fleet thing and shrinking the universe and all the other entirely valid complaints but "official Star Trek canon" has been hosed and rewritten and retconned and prequeled and ignored so bad already that it's basically meaningless at this point. So who cares, I watched a funny thing for 15 minutes and laughed at the perfect mix of Bob Belcher, Archer, and ARBYS in space.
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Oct 11, 2019 22:56
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Epicurius posted:
Only because the new government let Dukat live, because DS9 is reinforcing the proper lesson that commitment to the revolution must be absolute.  
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Oct 11, 2019 23:01
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skasion posted:hmm you make a good point there but hear me out: what if everyone was fucken evil as hell lmfoa i know you're being flip and making jokes but your post made me want to remind everyone: the Halkans were still pacifist in the mirrorverse
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Oct 11, 2019 23:06
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Also I know I'm a broken record on this but I still think DS9 missed the mark on how to deal w/ the TOS Klingon makeup, although it's still way better than what Enterprise wound up doing with it.
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Oct 11, 2019 23:08
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Crossover, the first DS9 MU episode, was well written and well handled. They should have stopped there, because the Mirror Universe stuff is best when it's just a taste of an "evil" alternate universe. But then the writers decided to keep milking it by returning to the MU once a season, and what started as an interesting episode became boring routine. I think it was one of the DS9 writing team's worst missteps.
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Oct 11, 2019 23:23
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Crossover, the first DS9 MU episode, was well written and well handled. They should have stopped there, because the Mirror Universe stuff is best when it's just a taste of an "evil" alternate universe. But then the writers decided to keep milking it by returning to the MU once a season, and what started as an interesting episode became boring routine. I think it was one of the DS9 writing team's worst missteps. It's understandable that they couldn't give up the potential of putting Sisko and Jake face-to-face with Jennifer again, though. That's an enticing basis for a story if you're in the work of breaking a bunch of episodes.
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Oct 11, 2019 23:25
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i know you're being flip and making jokes but your post made me want to remind everyone: the Halkans were still pacifist in the mirrorverse Yeah, that’s actually the point of the episode. It wasn’t just “universe where everyone was evil”. It was a universe where WE were evil. It’s an anti fascist parable of the “it can’t happen here” variety. The Halkans don’t reject Kirk because they don’t think he’s a good guy, they reject Kirk because they know that evil can never be totally conquered, it’s within us all, only constant devotion to doing the right thing can ever save us from it. Our personal choices as members of society, not some quality of the entire universe, are what make us good people or scantily clad space Hitlers. The episode starts with Kirk saying he hopes to prove that he’s right and the Halkans should give him their space rocks, but he never does. The episode ends without Kirk completing his mission. Implicitly, he realized the Halkans were right, or at least that he would never be able to change their minds. Spock cracks a joke about how the mirror guys were stupid, evil assholes: the perfect example of humanity, in his eyes. Kirk contemplates the possibilities (of platonic heterosexual friendship) that his other life has awakened him to. Roll credits. The joke is that Beardspock has every bit as much chance of “saving” his society as murderous demagogues do of perverting ours. What DS9 should have done with the mirror universe if it absolutely HAD to reuse the idea of evil federation, was make all the bad guys good as well. Klingons are a bunch of perfectly honorable space knights who all behave better than Worf and Martok, Cardassians and Bajorans are harmoniously allied, the Dominion as a benevolent pluralist hegemony. That would still be stupid as a follow up to Mirror Mirror, but it might have at least done something interesting along the way.
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Oct 11, 2019 23:35
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Hell, it would have been easy enough to just say "yeah, sure, the Empire's reformed; but out here in the rear end-end of space, where Spock's do-gooders are sparse, we still roll dirty."
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Oct 11, 2019 23:39
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Nah the episode where Sisko completes the mirror defiant and pilots it against a Klingon Super Star Destroyer rules
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Oct 12, 2019 00:09
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Nah the episode where Sisko completes the mirror defiant and pilots it against a Klingon Super Star Destroyer rules I remember being so excited for that one as a kid watching it in first-run, and how disappointed I was at how stupid it turned out.
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Oct 12, 2019 00:31
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Epicurius posted:
I'm pretty sure that never happened. The Detapa Council was civilian, but that's never slowed anyone down when it comes to being an authoritarian state.
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Oct 12, 2019 00:34
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Tbh it's never clarified what the gently caress the relationship is between their parts of government. A loony commander in chief with a military that answers to no one and ignores the civilian legislature while feeling threatened by the deep state? haha weird
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Oct 12, 2019 00:42
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When I watch the DS9 mirror universe episodes I always feel like the cast are having a lot more fun than I am.
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Oct 12, 2019 00:47
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Oof because visitor and Robinson notoriously hated doing them
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Oct 12, 2019 00:55
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Vic Fontaine got murdered in the mirror universe which builds enough good will for the mirror universe episodes that they could've done twice as many.
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Sash! posted:I'm pretty sure that never happened. The Detapa Council was civilian, but that's never slowed anyone down when it comes to being an authoritarian state. Way of the Warrior says that, with the Obsidian Order destroyed, the Cardassian dissident movement, which we're meant to see as generally non-authoritarian and the "good guys", were able to launch a coup overthrowing the military government and put the Council in charge.
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Oct 12, 2019 02:41
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A new copy of the mirror universe is generated whenever someone from our universe ventures into it based on a combination of that individual's current state and their preconceptions of the mirror universe.
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Oct 12, 2019 02:51
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The best part of the mirror universe was when Rom explains how stupid it is. The writers specifically said that whole speech was a dig that grognard trekkies who over-analyse everything to death.
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Oct 12, 2019 03:01
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that and they made a hologram a live Human in the mirror universe, presumably to try to stroke out the nerds who try to come up with a logical explanation for everything (us)
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Oct 12, 2019 03:35
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dudeness posted:Vic Fontaine got murdered in the mirror universe which builds enough good will for the mirror universe episodes that they could've done twice as many. Vic Fontaine kicks rear end 
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Oct 12, 2019 04:32
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jeeves posted:Fun fact: how the Tribbles were portrayed in this episode was much better done in the legendary 70's sci-fi novel The Mote In God's Eye. There is a species of tiny Gremlins-like alien that will fix/tinker/make better any technology that they come into contact with. So another alien species keeps them around as tools, for their obvious benefits. But every so often they know to vent the ships to keep their population down, as they never stop breeding, and once they hit a critical mass the tiny guys will actually take over the ships to go to war with each other to fight for resources. Though, singling out the Watchmakers specifically means overlooking how they're just a microcosm of the overall situation because all the other alien castes have similar semi-pathological multiply-at-all-costs instincts but on a larger scale, which takes the humans dealing with the aliens a while to figure out.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Vic Fontaine kicks rear end Kicks rear end at getting shot by mirror Julian, who is the exact opposite of regular Julian, which is to say he was genetically engineered to be as dumb as possible. He got shot by the dumbest man in the universe.
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Oct 12, 2019 05:07
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dudeness posted:Kicks rear end at getting shot by mirror Julian, who is the exact opposite of regular Julian, which is to say he was genetically engineered to be as dumb as possible. He got shot by the dumbest man in the universe. He's a hologram
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Oct 12, 2019 05:10
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Snow Cone Capone posted:He's a hologram What's a hologram?
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Vic was obviously based on a real person just like the doctor Duuuh
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