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Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

SpaceDrake posted:

a ridiculous psychological effect. Like, "our commander in chief is now actively a threat to us" effect.

To be clear, this is literally the case. The CIC is an active threat to the country.

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Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007

Herstory Begins Now posted:

If the Turks actually shelled a major SOF post then good lord. Like 50-100 people is a big one as far as those go and Turkey knows exactly, as in to within a millimeter, where they are. IDK there's a lot more to say on that but hanging them out to dry is going to have some ridiculous implications throughout the entire military.

The US knew where that MSF hospital was in Afghanistan, they still accidentally bombed it. War can be complicated, especially for a military that's still dealing with a purged officer class. I think it's premature to think Erdogan or the Turkish top brass ordered it.

edit: I'm not endorsing the hospital bombing in any way. Bombing SOF however.....

Chemtrailologist fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Oct 11, 2019

Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

Ego-bot posted:

The US knew where that MSF hospital was in Afghanistan, they still accidentally bombed it. War can be complicated, especially for a military that's still dealing with a purged officer class. I think it's premature to think Erdogan or the Turkish top brass ordered it.

That wasn't complicated, that was a war crime. We're just also essentially in charge of who gets to say what war crimes are.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

ewiley posted:

Why do socialists assume that everyone will be like Norway and not like Russia at the height of the Soviet Union? The culture of totalitarianism runs deeper than the political ideology adopted by the local rulers. Just look at 'capitalist' Paraguay with its social safetynet and healthcare. Perfectly good but still poor baseline but fundamentally more humble and less totalitarian society and culture.

A lot of the AOC-style folks currently in Congress or running are just as interested in pushing back against fascist underpinnings of our society as they are for pushing for increased social services and controls on capital (and in fact, these things are seen as linked).

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards and conflict journalism fame.


https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1182783724280262656?s=21

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

skylined! posted:

Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards and conflict journalism fame.


https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1182783724280262656?s=21

No surprise; Erdogan is just letting his old business partners out of jail.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

ewiley posted:

Why do socialists assume that everyone will be like Norway and not like Russia at the height of the Soviet Union? The culture of totalitarianism runs deeper than the political ideology adopted by the local rulers. Just look at 'capitalist' Paraguay with its social safetynet and healthcare. Perfectly good but still poor baseline but fundamentally more humble and less totalitarian society and culture.

as we can see from these craniometrics, the Russian has an extra bone in his brain that makes him crave a Tsar

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007

Ershalim posted:

That wasn't complicated, that was a war crime. We're just also essentially in charge of who gets to say what war crimes are.

Yeah, absolutely. But it doesn't mean that bombing the hospital was part of some political or military goal.

Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

Ego-bot posted:

Yeah, absolutely. But it doesn't mean that bombing the hospital was part of some political or military goal.

The bombing of Kunduz was lied about three or four times before we declared it was an error due to lack of strategic guidance, but if you look at any of the history of the US and our love of excess when it comes to loving people we don't like, it's really hard to take that on faith. The US army doesn't deserve it. To be on topic, of course, the Turkish forces don't either.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



https://twitter.com/devindwyer/status/1182789831874826242
https://twitter.com/CharlieDaniels/status/1182633458943877120

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


sexpig by night posted:

'what was Trump finally impeached for?'

'yea it was fuckin weird they got some charge about how he was shorting stocks connected to the Trump companies to stick?'

Nabbed for fraudulently filing a change of address form for Pence to cover that he opened an Amex in Mother's name.

Caught because the form was filled out in sharpie and listed "VP" as the first name.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Grand theft auto for refusing to vacate the Beast after Warren’s inauguration.

Chemtrailologist
Jul 8, 2007

welp, file my previous two posts under "poo poo i've been wrong about"

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Zotix posted:

I wonder why the mainstream news didn't cover the Lindsey Graham piss tape yesterday. He threw the Kurds under the bus and the publicly claims he has their backs. I didn't hear it mentioned once on CNN/ABC/MSNBC they are covering Syria a decent amount, so you'd think it would be referenced in public to show that Graham is being dishonest.

Its on the CNN website, just not as a major headline

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

This is from a major news org, by the way, as on "on the nightly news".

The next 24 hours are going to be Interesting. Again.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
IMO the graham tape also wasn't particularly newsworthy in a front page headline kind of way. It was interesting, definitely revealing, and should raise an absolute fuckton of redflags about just what percentage of calls our senators are receiving are actually from Russian intelligence.

That said, Graham's beliefs changing wrt Kurds probably has to do with every single vaguely knowledgeable or credible person he has talked to yelling at him 'you have to loving do something these guys are our closest loving allies in the region and your idiot dumbfuck boss is going to start a regional war don't abandon the loving kurds you idiot'

Ego-bot posted:

The US knew where that MSF hospital was in Afghanistan, they still accidentally bombed it. War can be complicated, especially for a military that's still dealing with a purged officer class. I think it's premature to think Erdogan or the Turkish top brass ordered it.

edit: I'm not endorsing the hospital bombing in any way. Bombing SOF however.....

'''''''''''''''''accidentally''''''''''''''''''

E: \/ If he wanted to start a regional war, this is exactly to a t how he would go about it, especially by ramping up the KSA/Iran thing, too.

Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Oct 12, 2019

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Looks like Trump might get his war, too bad for him he made it so mind-shatteringly obvious that it was 100% his fault that it happened and that it happened because he's an incompetent, bumbling moron who has no idea what's going on.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Dog Friday posted:

What are the odds of Rudy flipping after getting thrown under the bus?

that would require his brainworms noticing a difference after getting run over.


edit/venting:


does those chuds even know or remember what Mr Ben Ghazi is?

PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Oct 12, 2019

tokyo reject
Jun 12, 2019

when she's tryin to slide into your dm's but you wanna talk about a better america

empty whippet box posted:

Looks like Trump might get his war, too bad for him he made it so mind-shatteringly obvious that it was 100% his fault that it happened and that it happened because he's an incompetent, bumbling moron who has no idea what's going on.

It’s gonna be loving insane if the GOP starts going on TV and openly defending US soldiers dying for this as some kind of worthy cause just to fall in line for Trump. To me, that would show we still have a long ways to go before we see mass GOP defections, just how enthusiastically they defend it

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
so guys help me here understand this super power reasoning, the US gets bossed around by erdogan and then erdogan bombs the remaining us bases in syria?

so much winning going on that I am really confused.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1182795531451416576?s=19

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Celexi posted:

so guys help me here understand this super power reasoning, the US gets bossed around by erdogan and then erdogan bombs the remaining us bases in syria?

so much winning going on that I am really confused.

While the APA says that it is impossible to profile someone without an in person evaluation, every single other country has written up a detailed profile of Trump's extremely peculiar mental state and exactly, precisely how to take advantage of it.

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

tokyo reject posted:

It’s gonna be loving insane if the GOP starts going on TV and openly defending US soldiers dying for this as some kind of worthy cause just to fall in line for Trump. To me, that would show we still have a long ways to go before we see mass GOP defections, just how enthusiastically they defend it
Look, we're in a bad spot here, for some weird reason tax revenue is down and the national debt is ballooning by the day. We can't know why that is but the least we can do is sacrifice a few soldiers to help us win the economic wars back home. We're sending them there so we don't have to fight that war here. Look, at the end of the day either we rent out our military to the highest bidder or your taxes get raised. Why would you want to do that to the middle class? Why do you hate Americans??

The Super-Id
Nov 9, 2005

"You know it's what you really want."


Grimey Drawer

Schrodinger's attorney

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Herstory Begins Now posted:

While the APA says that it is impossible to profile someone without an in person evaluation, every single other country has written up a detailed profile of Trump's extremely peculiar mental state and exactly, precisely how to take advantage of it.

Trump's tweets are one of the best things to ever happen to foreign intelligence, that's the sort of insight into decision making* that you pay literally tens of millions for

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

Herstory Begins Now posted:

While the APA says that it is impossible to profile someone without an in person evaluation, every single other country has written up a detailed profile of Trump's extremely peculiar mental state and exactly, precisely how to take advantage of it.

With the additional note that some of the states with more powerful intelligence networks likely have detailed notes on the exact cocktail of drugs Trump voluntarily takes each day and how that would affect his mental state.

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!
The US president is literally throwing US troops under the bus and for some reason I doubt the GOP will say anything against it.

Zapf Dingbat
Jan 9, 2001


So much for are troops.

We all knew it was performance, though. Just like concern for the deficit, or religious freedom. Just a grift, like everything.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1182806291829481474?s=19

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

So we're now gonna be onto an interim acting Homeland Security Secretary

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Ego-bot posted:

welp, file my previous two posts under "poo poo i've been wrong about"

Let it be a lesson to learn from, the next time you see some obvious bullshit and your gut instinct is "well, actually..." maybe it's better to just stop and think for a bit. Really it's a good policy any time you feel that "well, actually..." coming up. There's a ton of bullshit noise and disinformation being amplified, knowingly and unknowingly.

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

Ershalim posted:

Because I hadn't seen that white supremacist symbol before, I went digging a little. So if you're interested:

The symbol he's got tatted is called the wolfsangel: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/wolfsangel

That shirt is apparently https://twitter.com/BenediktMaier/status/1182489863658115072

from a website called "Operation Werewolf" which in its about statement says


Neat!

I saw Operation Werewolf get called the Insta-Thots of national socialist black metal in a facebook comment a month ago and it really, really stuck with me.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Ershalim posted:

Because I hadn't seen that white supremacist symbol before, I went digging a little. So if you're interested:

The symbol he's got tatted is called the wolfsangel: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/wolfsangel

That shirt is apparently https://twitter.com/BenediktMaier/status/1182489863658115072

from a website called "Operation Werewolf" which in its about statement says


Neat!

Werewolf, from what I recall, was the name of the post-war Nazi resistance movement by SS members assassinating people and blowing up things.

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene
but for real their main gimmick is posting flexing pictures around campfires and jerking off about perfecting their bodies.

Even by Nazi standards, they're a silly bunch.

Objurium
Aug 8, 2009

CRISPYBABY posted:

I saw Operation Werewolf get called the Insta-Thots of national socialist black metal in a facebook comment a month ago and it really, really stuck with me.

Photoshopping their logo onto Equinox Fitness ads is also oddly fitting 🤷‍♂️

Objurium fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Oct 12, 2019

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

CRISPYBABY posted:

but for real their main gimmick is posting flexing pictures around campfires and jerking off about perfecting their bodies.

Even by Nazi standards, they're a silly bunch.

yea their whole thing was shirtless tough guy pics while camping with the bros who also sometimes blew up a car

Tuff Scrote
Apr 23, 2004
I’m not sure how much more the GOP is going to change their position on Trump after these hearings. We already know he did the crime. They’re already saying it’s not impeachable. I’m not sure that more evidence to this crime is going to sway them or his base. Really my only hope that anything changes is that Trump keeps making more and more idiotic decisions a la Syria that no one can really stand behind him.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Tuff Scrote posted:

I’m not sure how much more the GOP is going to change their position on Trump after these hearings. We already know he did the crime. They’re already saying it’s not impeachable. I’m not sure that more evidence to this crime is going to sway them or his base. Really my only hope that anything changes is that Trump keeps making more and more idiotic decisions a la Syria that no one can really stand behind him.

I mean basically this is twofold.

One is that the MORE crime, the harder it is for the GOP to defend it or block it. And the other is that the more crime, the more likely it is to influence voters. This doesn't necessarily mean changing their votes but it can depress turnout or convince people to protest vote which, considering Trump's razor-thin win last time, is not good for the GOP.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







The Glumslinger posted:

So we're now gonna be onto an interim acting Homeland Security Secretary


wouldn't want someone to go through senate confirmation now would we?

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FLIPADELPHIA
Apr 27, 2007

Heavy Shit
Grimey Drawer
Trump could get 10,000 us troops killed and his supporters wouldn't care. He told a war widow that the dead soldier got what he deserved and not one Trumpist stopped supporting him.

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