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Roadie posted:Though, singling out the Watchmakers specifically means overlooking how they're just a microcosm of the overall situation because all the other alien castes have similar semi-pathological multiply-at-all-costs instincts but on a larger scale, which takes the humans dealing with the aliens a while to figure out. Not just instinct - the Moties have a biological need to mate and reproduce, or they will die.
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Cojawfee posted:What's a hologram? In this case, hard light and soft crooning
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You know, it really annoys me that all these endless TOS reboots have never taken the chance to go 'hey let's look at the designs that they wanted to do in 1966 and never could'. Like, this was the original design for the TOS shuttle. They showed it to the modellers who laughed and so they came up with a new design that was a flying brick that was easy to build. Nowadays it would've been trivial, and totally would've fit the JJ films.
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MikeJF posted:You know, it really annoys me that all these endless TOS reboots have never taken the chance to go 'hey let's look at the designs that they wanted to do in 1966 and never could'. Like, this was the original design for the TOS shuttle. I was hoping they would do the same thing with old TNG ideas for Picard, like really take advantage of the budget to fully realize rhe gigantic space luxury they wanted to do with TNG.
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  I like how he's super concerned about ergonomics of workstations. Oh my god early klingon cruiser sketches were adorable   And this is just super 60s but still pretty practical. 
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skasion posted:Yeah, that’s actually the point of the episode. It wasn’t just “universe where everyone was evil”. It was a universe where WE were evil. It’s an anti fascist parable of the “it can’t happen here” variety. The Halkans don’t reject Kirk because they don’t think he’s a good guy, they reject Kirk because they know that evil can never be totally conquered, it’s within us all, only constant devotion to doing the right thing can ever save us from it. Our personal choices as members of society, not some quality of the entire universe, are what make us good people or scantily clad space Hitlers. The episode starts with Kirk saying he hopes to prove that he’s right and the Halkans should give him their space rocks, but he never does. The episode ends without Kirk completing his mission. Implicitly, he realized the Halkans were right, or at least that he would never be able to change their minds. Spock cracks a joke about how the mirror guys were stupid, evil assholes: the perfect example of humanity, in his eyes. Kirk contemplates the possibilities (of platonic heterosexual friendship) that his other life has awakened him to. Roll credits. The joke is that Beardspock has every bit as much chance of “saving” his society as murderous demagogues do of perverting ours. So, just Opposite day? Despite it being trampled into the dust, I prefer the idea that it rests on decisions made and beings of all kinds giving into their basest instincts.
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I prefer to think Mirror Bashir was also genetically engineered, and he came out of it not so much any smarter, but just a massively aggressive jerk, like older augments. It's either that or he's purestrain Jules Bashir, who wasn't stupid but just a poo poo.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I was hoping they would do the same thing with old TNG ideas for Picard, like really take advantage of the budget to fully realize rhe gigantic space luxury they wanted to do with TNG. I'm this guy 
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The only thing I didn't like but also loved about this Tribble Short Trek was the ad for the Tribble cereal. Advertising to children wouldn't be legal in a good civilization but it was funny anyway. I wish these were longer or that we just had a old-type Trek show for exploring this sort of thing. They really could have had things paced better if they had double, triple, or quadruple the time. Just remake ToS or something at this point, drat.
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Oct 12, 2019 17:37
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Just make the drat Pike show that doesn't have a constant arc, just fun Star Trek episodes exploring humor and philosophical problems.
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Oct 12, 2019 17:44
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The Short Treks are probably the best part of Discovery
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Oct 12, 2019 17:48
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Cojawfee posted:Just make the drat Pike show that doesn't have a constant arc, just fun Star Trek episodes exploring humor and philosophical problems. This would be pretty rad. No arcs, no major character changes. A complete throwback to 60s-90s tv. Do the arcs on DISCO,  or Lower Decks. It would actually be unlike most shows on modern television. Season finale would just be a rando episode.
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Astroman posted:A complete throwback to 60s-90s tv...Season finale would just be a clip show FTFY
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Oct 12, 2019 18:06
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Series finale would just be a regular ol’ episode, and the show just kinda stops.
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That's The Orville
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There's 5000% too much Seth McFarlane else it would be
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cheetah7071 posted:That's The Orville The one bad thing about that show existing is that now I'll never be able to take Star Trek seriously again, somebody else came out of nowhere and did it better in a time when -at best- the property's owners have to re learn how to do it well by spamming material and seeing what sticks to the YouTube comments
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So fan films are largely dead thanks to Axanar/the CBS guidelines, but some people are still plugging away. A lot of fan films tried to do recreations of TOS, and modern technology allowed people to duplicate 60s sets and sfx pretty well which would not be as easy with more modern Star Trek. If fan films had been allowed to continue as they were, we might have seen efforts to do shows in the TNG/DS9/Voyager era, Enterprise, etc. Even after those times. Many fan films too were hampered by amateur writing, acting, costuming, and sets. With the new guidelines, that's pretty much set in stone--you can't have pro actors/writers/sfx artists/directors, and you can't make more than two 15 min eps in a "series" so nobody is gonna build a Cawley style TNG set (except maybe Cawley for his museum/fan film school, but there's been nothing new about that). But a few fans are still trying to make it work. Here's a recent fan film which has great acting, writing, directing, costuming, and decent sfx and sets. They did amazing with the budget they had to make sets that worked without building massive studios or having really janky greenscreen backgrounds. The pacing is a bit rushed for some of the drama, but that's 30 minute restrictions for you. Watch it and imagine these guys could have done a few 10 episode seasons in an alternate universe where Axanar didn't gently caress everything up for everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaqsUI55FqU
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Astroman posted:So fan films are largely dead thanks to Axanar/the CBS guidelines, but some people are still plugging away. A lot of fan films tried to do recreations of TOS, and modern technology allowed people to duplicate 60s sets and sfx pretty well which would not be as easy with more modern Star Trek. god that font
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Astroman posted:...But a few fans are still trying to make it work. Here's a recent fan film which has great acting, writing, directing, costuming, and decent sfx and sets. They did amazing with the budget they had to make sets that worked without building massive studios or having really janky greenscreen backgrounds. The pacing is a bit rushed for some of the drama, but that's 30 minute restrictions for you. Watch it and imagine these guys could have done a few 10 episode seasons in an alternate universe where Axanar didn't gently caress everything up for everyone: Can we have this instead of Discovery? That was surprisingly not poo poo.
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I'm half way through and won't have a chance to watch the rest for a while but holy poo poo so far that is so not bad for what it is. Even not too bad for what it isn't.
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Orville would be 10000% better without McFarlane. Fight me but you know it's true. poo poo, make him the XO and his ex wife the competent captain if you gotta have his smug face on the show.
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jeeves posted:Orville would be 10000% better without McFarlane. Fight me but you know it's true. I'd Goddamn love it if they demoted Ed down to senior bilge officer for a day and just made it a full-length TV episode version of Chief O'Brien at Work (but Orville-themed, obviously). He could be on screen most of the time and be as sad of a sack as he wanted! Extra points for every additional dude he ever respected who does push-ups on Kelly.
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jeeves posted:Orville would be 10000% better without McFarlane. Fight me but you know it's true. I definitely thought I was going to feel this way, but he wrote the perfect dad-joking, competent doofus for himself and I like it.
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I had no particular love or animus toward him to begin with, and he's... fine?  I've never understood the visceral reaction some people have.
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Gonna make pancakes.
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The Bloop posted:I definitely thought I was going to feel this way, but he wrote the perfect dad-joking, competent doofus for himself and I like it. He's also basically the showrunner. If you like the tone, the universe, the characters--a lot of it sprung from him.
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His character does show pretty great competency as a commanding officer with good command instincts and decision making. Just his personal life are in shambles and he's in a glass cage of emotions
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He's a great captain and a flawed human and I think it works really well.
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Yeah he has depression for sure and needs to see someone about it
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:His character does show pretty great competency as a commanding officer with good command instincts and decision making. Just his personal life are in shambles and he's in a glass cage of emotions Snow Cone Capone posted:He's a great captain and a flawed human and I think it works really well. AlBorlantern Corps posted:Yeah he has depression for sure and needs to see someone about it They're definitely going to continue exploring this, and I feel like they're even going to directly address it as depression, which would never happen in TNG because there are no depressed people in the future.
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I have confidence that if they did try to tackle depression they'd do a better job than Voyager's "lol gently caress you Belanna nobody likes you anyway" episode
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I had no particular love or animus toward him to begin with, and he's... fine? Because everything else he's been involved in is either unfunny dogshit or actively offensive, and it's hard to know how much of that was him and how much was the other people on those shows.
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Technowolf posted:Because everything else he's been involved in is either unfunny dogshit or actively offensive, and it's hard to know how much of that was him and how much was the other people on those shows. Hey American Dad is great.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I had no particular love or animus toward him to begin with, and he's... fine? Goons.
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I used to hate Seth, but he's chilled out and isn't as much of a memelord anymore. Now I can enjoy The Orville and hate Elon Musk instead.
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marktheando posted:
Spiner never had any real affinity or love of playing Data. When the show was canceled and they moved to the movies, everyone signed one-and-one deals (i.e., they did a movie with a contractual option for another) except Spiner. He went strictly movie-to-movie. He had been pushing to get Data killed off since First Contact, in no small part because he hated the makeup work. So when Nemesis came around, he basically said, "I'll only do this if I get the same level of creative control that Stewart had on Insurrection." Spiner also hand-picked John Logan, who is a friend of his, and had it written into his contract that Logan couldn't be re-written.
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Doesn't help that Stuart Baird directed and he didn't know anything about Star Trek and thought Geordi was an alien.
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Cojawfee posted:Doesn't help that Stuart Baird directed and he didn't know anything about Star Trek and thought Geordi was an alien. Or that LeVar Burton's name was Laverne.
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Cojawfee posted:Doesn't help that Stuart Baird directed and he didn't know anything about Star Trek and thought Geordi was an alien. Wait, he's not? McNally posted:Or that LeVar Burton's name was Laverne. Wait, it's not? Well, all this changes everything.
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