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Literally Elvis posted:I hate to say it, because I loving hate this trog, but I don’t think he completely hosed this up the way I would have expected. The average HK resident, especially student, has an idealized view of what the US is. A US congressman coming to HK probably is giving them unrealistic hopes that the US will intervene. The protesters have been basically asking the US to save them somehow. I have a very bleak view of this whole HK protest thing -- the Chinese are not going to back down, and nobody is going to be willing to interfere with internal Chinese politics. Sadly most of these protesters lost what they're fighting for before they were even born, in 1996.
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VH4Ever posted:Right, that's clearly a bullshit abuse of the system. I just tend to avoid sweeping statement generally so nothing personal. I agree with you, top to bottom how we treat mental health is hosed and when you add our broken police departments it becomes hosed squared. Nah this is bullshit. Someone said something mean about cops so you had to swoop in and do a "well actually" that didn't really add anything. Be honest and ask yourself why that is.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1183378645756215296quote:Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson is using an untraceable church to raise money for his legal bills and political activity after multiple crowdfunding sites and payment processors severed ties with accounts linked directly to him and his right-wing group. Gibson began promoting the “Church of Faith and Freedom” across his social media platforms last month, telling supporters that he now prefers that they send him donations through the organization’s website.
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SchrodingersCat posted:Is this surprising? Welcome to American Capitalism, the next best thing to hereditary nobility It isn't surprising to people paying even a tiny bit of attention but measuring it is important. It is also an indication that the rich know poo poo is getting worse. They used to be somewhat ok with their kids possibly slipping down the wealth ladder a bit since the kid would almost always catch themselves a few rungs down where they would still live a comfortable life. But the rich have systematically ripped out those rungs to the point that going down a few of the remaining ones is what they see as a catastrophic reduction in quality of life, so mommy and daddy are pulling out all the stops to keep their little morons secure.
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i am harry posted:Woke up to find these colors run like a bitch. Google Butt posted:I can barely read about what's happening to the kurds man, this is just unconscionable. https://twitter.com/BenjaminHallFNC/status/1183401965247778816
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Right, the idea that the rich would want MORE people to be rich, and would be welcoming to the “temporarily poor millionaires” once they’ve sorted things out is also insanity. Especially because with the rise in wealth comes a rise in feelings of self superiority to the point where they view poorer people as less human.
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Shifty Pony posted:Also since we're on the subject of nepotism, this is a good read: This is a good article but it still suffers from the implicit framing that smart and talented people deserve to be more successful and privileged than others -- which leads to the contraposition that if you're not smart or talented then you deserve to wallow in misery with the rest of the idiot failures. The outrage here is that undeserving people are reaping the benefits of being in America's upper class, not that there's a lower class where people can barely scrape out a living and an upper class where people are treated like kings.
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Arglebargle III posted:The average HK resident, especially student, has an idealized view of what the US is. A US congressman coming to HK probably is giving them unrealistic hopes that the US will intervene. The protesters have been basically asking the US to save them somehow. I have a very bleak view of this whole HK protest thing -- the Chinese are not going to back down, and nobody is going to be willing to interfere with internal Chinese politics. Sadly most of these protesters lost what they're fighting for before they were even born, in 1996. I guess my bar is just so low for that guy, that I didn’t expect him to call out police brutality at all, but I knew better than to elevate my sentiments about him.
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Police pretty routinely abuse their ability to put people on holds for mental health emergencies too. Cops are trained that they can put people on a 72-hour hold if that person is a danger to themselves or others. Here's the California law, as an example, and it's pretty goddamn vague. So to solve the problem of "caller complained this person was loud or scary" it's trivially easy for police to articulate how someone is a danger to themselves or someone else. Half the posts in this thread could be stretched into armchair psychology justification to put someone on this hold. Then the police take you to the hospital for some bullshit, the emergency psych people are regularly dealing with people who don't need to be there, and so they're wasting a ton of time screening someone that really just got picked up for contempt of cop. Which is prevalent enough it has it's own Wikipedia page Jesus Christ America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_cop There is no way for this person to make any reasonable claim that their civil rights were violated, and no consequences for police who abuse this. This happens every shift in every police department in every city in the U.S. Just being rude to a cop can be construed this way. Because "normal" people are of course respectful and properly deferential to the police, so if you're not you clearly are ready to fight the police, and if you're ready to fight the police you're ready to fight anyone. This is first-hand poo poo from my turn being the C in ACAB. Then your car probably got impounded too, you're going to be late for work, the hospital cuts you lose but you're miles from home and maybe without money/phone/pants. There are some police departments trying to make this better, by embedding social workers in with cops, since this thread is depressing as gently caress normally, so there's some sunshine I guess: https://q13fox.com/2018/02/09/social-workers-paired-up-with-police-officers-in-the-fight-against-homelessness-and-addiction/ tl,dr: Don't call the police, especially for mental health stuff.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/1183403640872144897?s=20 as in defending the kurds or killing them?
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empty whippet box posted:gently caress that dude you could use that energy on educating and activating people who already do or easily will agree with you. Cut them out of your life to the extent that you can and avoid interacting at all costs. No. The right wins when the left walks away. Yes, some people are unreachable, but if they don't hear left ideas they will never adopt left ideas. Cutting them off is abandoning them to the other side. I'm not saying to engage every chud you meet, but the ones that you have a personal relationship with, they can be affected. It never happens instantly, but I've seen it happen over time.
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SKULL.GIF posted:This is a good article but it still suffers from the implicit framing that smart and talented people deserve to be more successful and privileged than others - quote:- which leads to the contraposition that if you're not smart or talented then you deserve to wallow in misery with the rest of the idiot failures. quote:The outrage here is that undeserving people are reaping the benefits of being in America's upper class, not that there's a lower class where people can barely scrape out a living and an upper class where people are treated like kings. I don't disagree, but your statement makes very little sense.
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Matt Taibbi can go gently caress himself https://twitter.com/mirkel/status/1183203687319121921 quote:Trump’s campaign antagonism toward the military and intelligence world was at best a millimeter thick. Like almost everything else he said as a candidate, it was a gimmick, designed to get votes. That he was insincere and full of it and irresponsible, at first at least, when he attacked the “deep state” and the “fake news media,” doesn’t change the reality of what’s happened since. Even paranoiacs have enemies, and even Donald “Deep State” Trump is a legitimately elected president whose ouster is being actively sought by the intelligence community.
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https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1183211646573072384 "Sid" J. Gautreaux III (REP) 70.56% 92,897 John Bel Edwards (DEM) 61.40% 82,559 Sheriff Murderjail  https://twitter.com/AngieMaxwell1/status/1183219951416594433
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/jeremymbarr/status/1183233179580358656?s=19 Cameron's in the news not because he's leaving alongside Smith, but because he gave an interview about Smith leaving. quote:The reality is that without Shep’s show, Fox News’ 24 hour news wheel is down to the Bret Baier show. Most of the rest is predominantly talk.. and the American people need to hear that so they can make good judgments. Otherwise it’s just propaganda, and that’s the stuff of third-world nations, not the one that prides itself as leader of all nations.
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"Welcome to permanent power struggle. Please do not resist Glorious Leader and force him to do Things We Will All Regret."
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Piell posted:Matt Taibbi can go gently caress himself Why is he lauding theoretical authority held by the president and diminishing actual authority held by the people? I cannot praise him for trying to justify his fears.
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bird cooch posted:Yes? His statement makes complete sense. He's saying that the meritocratic framing of the article is problematic in and of itself. You can disagree without the weird "I just can't possibly understand what you mean!" thing that you're doing here.
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follow that camel!! posted:tl,dr: Don't call the police, especially for mental health stuff. Who are we supposed to call then? Like, CORE teams are great and all for the homeless but they arent equipped for the kind of situations in which we'd need to call the cops for.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Who are we supposed to call then? No one, you're hosed, get used to it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Piell posted:Matt Taibbi can go gently caress himself while i sorta agree that i could see trump trying to go "well i am king now" on twitter or whatever. he doesn't have the military/intelligence/federal LEO support to pull it off, espcially after betraying the kurds. also "the solution to a crime president is to bow down to his will" is a hell of a take.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Who are we supposed to call then? I hear the fire department has helped in those situations without axe murdering people
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Dapper_Swindler posted:also "the solution to a crime president is to bow down to his will" is a hell of a take. I agree. The correct response to learning that a corrupt authority figure could unilaterally and unjustly seek the actual destruction of their opponents is to stop said figure at all costs, not cower before them and enshrine them as some sort of wrathful stone age deity.
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Fallom posted:I hear the fire department has helped in those situations without axe murdering people Problem is that most emergency services are unified dispatch. So unless you straight up lie to dispatch and say someone is having a heart attack or their house is on fire you are probably gonna always get the cops first.
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Fallom posted:I hear the fire department has helped in those situations without axe murdering people There are situations in which the person is or is very likely to be combative, though. I'd think the fire department would still end up calling the cops, no?
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Piell posted:Matt Taibbi can go gently caress himself I really reallllllyyy respect his post-2008 financial crises reporting, OWS, and the financial sector in general. But his whole “gosh guys the Democrats loving suck can’t they see how Trump is playing beautiful 16th dimensional chess against us?” Shtick is getting loving irritating. Fast. Also now impeachment is bad because...it benefits the intel community...somehow? When did Taibbi’s brain break so bad? Was it when he returned to rolling stone after his short freelance stint?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:while i sorta agree that i could see trump trying to go "well i am king now" on twitter or whatever. he doesn't have the military/intelligence/federal LEO support to pull it off, espcially after betraying the kurds. yea this wasn't the 'Taibbi says he loves Trump's crimes, actually' take some are making it out but going from 'the president has functionally declared he's above the law, and there's little to do about it other than either roll over and agree or make our highest priority removing him from office and cleaning up the executive branch as a whole' to 'so we should maybe do the first one' is a hell of a whiplash.
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Dammerung posted:I agree. The correct response to learning that a corrupt authority figure could unilaterally and unjustly seek the actual destruction of their opponents is to stop said figure at all costs, not cower before them and enshrine them as some sort of wrathful stone age deity. i am not even sure why he wants too. the military/ic isn't going to prop him up. sexpig by night posted:yea this wasn't the 'Taibbi says he loves Trump's crimes, actually' take some are making it out but going from 'the president has functionally declared he's above the law, and there's little to do about it other than either roll over and agree or make our highest priority removing him from office and cleaning up the executive branch as a whole' to 'so we should maybe do the first one' is a hell of a whiplash. yeah, i don't think he is defending trump. but i don't get what groveling toward trump would accomplish. i get that some of these guys have some acceleration leanings but lol. like its not a coup to try to remove the president by legal means. and if he legit tries to go dictator, he will probably get put down fast. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 13, 2019 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I really reallllllyyy respect his post-2008 financial crises reporting, OWS, and the financial sector in general. I mean to be fair I also super don't love that this route is basically 'the intel community is being held up as heroes'. Like, there are reasons to, say, support a probe of the FISA court and abolish the whole system, and just because Trump also wants that because he's angry he got caught doesn't make that not true, but thanks to how this is going we kinda can't have that talk. The trump impeachment, I think, is going to have some serious cultural damage beyond the obvious. I think the narrative that benefits both sides most in power is exalting the brave and heroic FBI/CIA soldiers who served as our last line of defense against the foul president Trump and that functionally creates a system where the intel world becomes the fourth, unchecked, branch of power. That's, uh, as the kids say, 'bad poo poo' and I understand the fear a lot of people have of that.
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Piell posted:Matt Taibbi can go gently caress himself quote:Trump’s tinpot Twitter threats and cancellation of White House privileges for dolts like Jim Acosta also don’t begin to compare to the danger posed by Facebook, Google, and Twitter – under pressure from the Senate – organizing with groups like the Atlantic Council to fight “fake news” in the name of preventing the “foment of discord.” https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1179787801866493958 fuckin yeah sure sexpig by night posted:I mean to be fair I also super don't love that this route is basically 'the intel community is being held up as heroes'. Like, there are reasons to, say, support a probe of the FISA court and abolish the whole system, and just because Trump also wants that because he's angry he got caught doesn't make that not true, but thanks to how this is going we kinda can't have that talk. Taibbi posted:He’s guilty, but the issue is how guilty, in comparison to his accusers. The only reason we can't also have a conversation about how bad and overreaching our intelligence community is, is because of horeshit like Taibbi's putting out here. It's the usual intensely stupid combination of "we can only care about one thing at a time" and arguing about which bad thing is the baddest thing, so that nothing actually gets done. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Oct 13, 2019 |
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sexpig by night posted:I mean to be fair I also super don't love that this route is basically 'the intel community is being held up as heroes'. Like, there are reasons to, say, support a probe of the FISA court and abolish the whole system, and just because Trump also wants that because he's angry he got caught doesn't make that not true, but thanks to how this is going we kinda can't have that talk. that is very understandible. a modern praetorian guard would be bad.
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sexpig by night posted:yea this wasn't the 'Taibbi says he loves Trump's crimes, actually' take some are making it out but going from 'the president has functionally declared he's above the law, and there's little to do about it other than either roll over and agree or make our highest priority removing him from office and cleaning up the executive branch as a whole' to 'so we should maybe do the first one' is a hell of a whiplash. I think the problem a lot of us are facing is that the Republican party has apparently dumped any pretense of respecting the constitution in order to hold on to power. If the Republicans had any respect for anything other than money, Trump would already be out of office. I think the Democrats are slow playing this because they know the only solution is to win the Senate and WH in 2020. We all want them to rush to impeachment but Mitch McConnell will just kill it in the Senate. The Democrats need this to stretch to at least next fall. The average American had a goldfish brain so unless this is still ongoing next fall, it's all for naught. If the Republican party had any values they would name a different candidate at the RNC, but they won't.
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