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I think the mentally ill abusive mother thing was true. When he’s washing her in the bath she says nonchalantly, “I thought you had to be funny to be a comedian,” which is a devastating burn and not something a loving mother would say to her mentally ill son. I thought overall the film was okay. Very depressing and I hated the score. Set design, grading etc was really nice and Phoenix player a fantastic part. Not really sure why it’s seemingly either getting 5 or 1 stars a lot of the time.
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It's possible the mom was gaslighted on the past and acquired mental illness later, at least partially as a result of that trauma. Nothing's really in stone about her. Even your example could be more out of parental callous bluntness in a vacuum.
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if she was just legit crazy I think she’d be telling this story to anyone who’d listen, not keeping it a secret forever. Plus I found it odd that she claimed she had to “sign some papers,” that’s a weird thing to just come up with on your own.
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I do like how the movie keeps both options open, in a way - in Joker fashion. Arthur could be Wayne's son, he could be adopted normally, or she might have adopted him as a substitute after having to have an abortion. I think it's leaning towards him being Wayne's son. But for those saying that it's unlikely that a single woman could adopt, that's true, but she might not have been single at the time she adopted.
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Vir posted:I do like how the movie keeps both options open, in a way - in Joker fashion. Arthur could be Wayne's son, he could be adopted normally, or she might have adopted him as a substitute after having to have an abortion. I think it's leaning towards him being Wayne's son. But for those saying that it's unlikely that a single woman could adopt, that's true, but she might not have been single at the time she adopted. I just think it’s weird that social services do not take her adopted son away from her the moment he is abused. Don’t adoption agencies keep track of the kids to see how they are settling? Finding him beaten up from a partner of hers would be a giant red flag for me (I guess you could reply that this is more evidence for Gotham being a shithole). Eararaldor fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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Sleeveless posted:like he thinks himself some sort of warrior poet speaking unpleasant truths to power and society for the type of dumbass lowest common demoniator comedy where you show a fat guy in a speedo and somebody quips "OK, that's just wrong". In your rant about Todd Philips being bad and unfunny, you stole this line, almost word by word, from this review of the movie ("Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!”"). You added words to make it less funny and more obvious. Good job, pimp. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Oct 13, 2019 |
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Oct 13, 2019 20:42
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Vir posted:I do like how the movie keeps both options open, in a way - in Joker fashion. Arthur could be Wayne's son, he could be adopted normally, or she might have adopted him as a substitute after having to have an abortion. I think it's leaning towards him being Wayne's son. But for those saying that it's unlikely that a single woman could adopt, that's true, but she might not have been single at the time she adopted. I was thinking the same as Eararaldor (who might have posted a spoiler so I don't wanna quote), how was possible that she, a woman who was considered mentally ill, with a probable history of allowing her partner to abuse her son, and a huge media poo poo storm around her case, was allowed to keep her adopted son? I dunno if poo poo was different in the 80's, but even in my country the kid would be taken away and put in an orphanage until someone adopts -I think we don't have foster homes- I'm gonna stick to the theory that Thomas was an absolute rich rear end and was going puppet master over everything just to hide their relationship.
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Desperado Bones posted:I was thinking the same as Eararaldor (who might have posted a spoiler so I don't wanna quote), how was possible that she, a woman who was considered mentally ill, with a probable history of allowing her partner to abuse her son, and a huge media poo poo storm around her case, was allowed to keep her adopted son? The movie takes place in the 80s (Excalibur is on the theater marquee in one shot and that was released in 81) and Arthur is said to be in his 30s so he would’ve been a child during the 60s/70s.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:In your rant about Todd Philips being bad and unfunny, you stole this line, almost word by word, from this review of the movie ("Todd Phillips’s comedic repertoire is a bunch of guys seeing a fat man in a speedo and exclaiming, “Okay, that’s just wrong!”"). You added words to make it less funny and more obvious. Good job, pimp. Lmfao get his loving rear end dude. Kill him, seriously
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net cafe scandal posted:Lmfao get his loving rear end dude. Kill him, seriously
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Speaking of plagiarists, Shia LaBeouf would make a pretty good Joker.
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I feel that Joker's mom was just crazy. I understand guy could have gaslit her, but surely she has family and friends who would tell her, "no your son is not adopted." I was with you in the hospital.I'd be far more willing to believe it if he said "We never had sex, you just had a one night stand with some random guy."
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I also want to note that if his relationship with Sophie was imagined that means he imagined her expressing happiness at the death of the Wayne employees, which may betray his claims later that he’s apolitical.
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ruddiger posted:The movie takes place in the 80s (Excalibur is on the theater marquee in one shot and that was released in 81) and Arthur is said to be in his 30s so he would’ve been a child during the 60s/70s.  oops! My bad! Anyway, I still stand for my big question of how did that happened.
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It owns that the last movie Thomas Wayne ever saw was Zorro, the Gay Blade
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Terror Sweat posted:It owns that the last movie Thomas Wayne ever saw was Zorro, the Gay Blade I hope that they still left the theater not because of the riots but because Bruce was scared
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movie bad, having some parts may or may boy be. T real prevents tight movie from saying anything which this movie does not
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punk rebel ecks posted:I feel that Joker's mom was just crazy. I understand guy could have gaslit her, but surely she has family and friends who would tell her, "no your son is not adopted." I was with you in the hospital.I'd be far more willing to believe it if he said "We never had sex, you just had a one night stand with some random guy." I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that Joker’s mom was a remarkably isolated person.
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Terror Sweat posted:It owns that the last movie Thomas Wayne ever saw was Zorro, the Gay Blade  I almost started laughing when I saw that. To be fair to "Zorro, the Gay Blade," though, it's probably the best Zorro movie not starring Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone.
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Farg posted:movie bad, having some parts may or may boy be. T real prevents tight movie from saying anything which this movie does not huh
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Bogus Adventure posted:
You didn’t like the Banderas ones?
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ruddiger posted:You didn’t like the Banderas ones? Nope.
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beanieson posted:if she was just legit crazy I think she’d be telling this story to anyone who’d listen, not keeping it a secret forever. Plus I found it odd that she claimed she had to “sign some papers,” that’s a weird thing to just come up with on your own. She was obsessed with not rocking the boat with Wayne.
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It’s canonical the movie the Waynes saw was zorro, but the choices get pretty thin now that Batman isn’t set in the 30s
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It’s canonical the movie the Waynes saw was zorro, but the choices get pretty thin now that Batman isn’t set in the 30s Raiders of the lost Ark, Evil Dead, Escape from NY, Thief & Stripes all came out in 1981 🤷🏻♂️
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JBP posted:She was obsessed with not rocking the boat with Wayne. Because he rocked her boat?
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Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music.
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If the new Batman, Robert Pattinson, was born in the late 80s then it’s entirely possible the movie he saw with his parents the night they died was the Mask of Zorro
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beanieson posted:Raiders of the lost Ark, Evil Dead, Escape from NY, Thief & Stripes all came out in 1981 🤷🏻♂️ ... he meant the choices get thin for Zorro movies. Not like, all movies
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Blast Fantasto posted:... so in the comics they were killed after seeing Zorro? My bad lol
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beanieson posted:so in the comics they were killed after seeing Zorro? Basically for the last 40 years or so, yeah. In comics and other media they’re typically portrayed as going to see a Zorro movie the night they’re murdered. The idea being that consciously or subconsciously Batman is inspired by another guy who dresses in all black and wears a mask. Hence why they’re seeing Zorro, The Gay Blade in Joker as that would have been the newest Zorro movie at the time the movie is set
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Lmao the screenwriting for this movie was such a loving Trainwreck. They "both sides" on capitalism bad vs revolting against capitalism that's killing you. But the cinematography clearly pointed to the latter. It also makes no sense for a prequel to a Batman story. After the end of the movie, Gotham won't be a poo poo hole filled with crime and the Wayne's assets wouldn't be Bruce's anymore. if people were willing to murder police, they'd guillotine the more of the rich than Thomas It's a shame that such good acting and solid cinematography were attached to this cluster gently caress. Edit: and don't get me started on the typical Hollywood depiction of "the mentally ill are bad"
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Nasgate posted:Lmao the screenwriting for this movie was such a loving Trainwreck. They "both sides" on capitalism bad vs revolting against capitalism that's killing you. But the cinematography clearly pointed to the latter. The degree of distance by which you've missed the point is exhausting to even fathom let alone address in any way at all. Hopefully later in life you will be less confused.
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net cafe scandal posted:The degree of distance by which you've missed the point is exhausting to even fathom let alone address in any way at all. Hopefully later in life you will be less confused. Yesss. This is the nonsense, nonthinking dismissal I come to CD to see. Please tell me more about how I missed the point of a horribly put together screenplay.
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Nasgate posted:Yesss. This is the nonsense, nonthinking dismissal I come to CD to see. Please tell me more about how I missed the point of a horribly put together screenplay. I personally come for the posters who drop a hot opinion into a thread and then insult the entire sub when someone says it stinks.
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The movie is pretty consistent about the wealthy constantly taking a massive poo poo on the poor. You have Thomas Wayne running for mayor because he's a successful "job creator" who will teach the poor clowns who are doing nothing with their lives how to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. The wealthy are completely insulated from the shittiness of Gotham, and in Wayne's fundraiser they are in an opulent hall laughing at a movie about a poor person. Hell, Murray Franklin (a successful comic with a TV show) decides to grab a video of a struggling comic so he can laugh at him on TV. It doesn't matter if Arthur himself is apolitical, or if he killed the bankers in self-defense. The event is an example of how people will take an event and project a narrative on it. In Thomas Wayne's case, it's just another example of how ungrateful Gotham's poor are. For the people struggling in Gotham, it's an example of someone fighting back against a failing system. All Arthur cares about is that he finally feels like he exists.
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Finally saw that movie everyone kept saying this was based on, and I gotta say y'all are right about the similarities. It was almost a remake!
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Nasgate posted:They "both sides" on capitalism bad vs revolting against capitalism that's killing you. How? Nasgate posted:It also makes no sense for a prequel to a Batman story. After the end of the movie, Gotham won't be a poo poo hole filled with crime and the Wayne's assets wouldn't be Bruce's anymore. if people were willing to murder police, they'd guillotine the more of the rich than Thomas Do... Do you think all riots automatically mean permanent societal change? Either: a) The riots would've peaked and burned themselves out. Everyone goes home and gives each other a pat on the back for a job well done. Maybe whoever's elected mayor makes some noises about listening to the concerns of the rioters and things get just better enough (ie the piles of waste and super rats are shovelled away) to prevent anything further from happening. or b) The military rolls in and the instigators (including Mr J) would've been made an example of. The city would've been in lockdown for a while and the Wayne assets would've been well guarded. stev fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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