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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it's my understanding this is more like an idiom, and a better translation might be "attempts to split china will happen in a disastrous manner" or "will completely fail"

you mean "death to America" might be a deliberate mistranslation?!?!?

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Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?

Throatwarbler posted:

This thread (and I guess the DND thread moreso) is basically 80%ofwhitepeoplehavenononwhitefriends.php
Youre my friend :3:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

https://twitter.com/Sophiemcneill/status/1183456461235486721
it's my understanding this is more like an idiom, and a better translation might be "attempts to split china will happen in a disastrous manner" or "will completely fail"

The exact phrase was "粉身碎骨". Its meaning is comparable to "torn limb from limb" in English. It's mostly used to describe dying in vain for a cause. It is pretty gruesome but a less loaded translation might be "anyone trying to split China will die in vain."

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Throatwarbler posted:

This thread (and I guess the DND thread moreso) is basically 80%ofwhitepeoplehavenononwhitefriends.php

i was the token white guy in my group of friends in college

Mayman10
May 11, 2019

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i've been reading the memoirs of peng dehuai, who led chinese forces in korea and was later purged by mao.

why?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
he wrote a letter to mao laying out problems in the planning of the great leap forward and was accused of being a right-deviationist

he was purged in 1958 i think

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Darkman Fanpage posted:

how dare a state try to keep itself together!!!

Maybe you should realize America does the same sort of thing, before criticizing China. Do you also criticize America for not dissolving?

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Reports on China ‘organ harvesting’ derive from front groups of far-right cult Falun Gong

this will get dismissed by the usual suspects but surprise surprise that "independent" tribunal was stacked with epoch times people

As usual it’s projecting what life under capitalism is like

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-10-13/body-parts-harvesting-hinders-coroner-autopsies

(From the doomsday economics thread)

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

Darkest Auer posted:

The Party is actively promoting it though and you don't have "traditional medicine" as an alternative to actual healthcare in real countries. Traditional stuff as a connection to culture is just fine, except in this case it's actually killing people.
Your entire bad faith question is based on a false premise. The party has never, ever, promoted TCM as superior to scientific medicine nor has it promoted TCM as primary care. After the revolution Mao retrained an army of folk medicine practitioners as "barefoot" doctors with basic knowledge of hygiene, sanitation, and first aid. It was the best thing he could have done because China at the time was mostly an unindustrialized nation of peasant farmers with very few western doctors. His plan worked and average life expectancy skyrocketed.

During the Cultural Revolution and the 90's there were in fact crackdowns on "superstitious" TCM elements, but the practitioners weren't being issued citations, they were arrested and sent to labor camps. This drew severe domestic and international backlash. The party's relationship with TCM can be described as grudging acceptance and incorporation into 6,000 YEARS OF HISTORY propaganda after various attempts to modernize or eliminate it.

Most Chinese people seek out the best scientific medicine available and use TCM as an adjunct therapy. They prefer doctors to folk practitioners and seek out the most modern care they can find. No one is forgoing grandma's heart surgery in Shenzen in favor of a bag of herbs. On multiple occasions I would see expats ask native mainlanders if they knew of a good TCM practitioner and the response was always some variation of "You're rich, why don't you go see a real doctor you idiot?"

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Control Volume posted:

Maybe you should realize America does the same sort of thing, before criticizing China. Do you also criticize America for not dissolving?

:thejoke:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

Wolf Warrior 3 is gonna be about decapitating gamergaters with a Type 63 MBT

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1183621124338241536

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

Xi should have just said "WE WILL BURY YOU" to troll people.

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFoRBJoKmI0&t=11s

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It literally means what it says. If Tsai try to escape to Guam after she declear independence, she will be shot down by ground to air missile. This was not said for the students in HK. But they are free to think they are important enough to enjoy that phrase. This was not said for the none Chinese speakers either.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Tsai isn't about to declare independence when there's like three further Green parties/factions assembling to challenge her who would gladly do it instead, and if she was to flee to a south Pacific island she'd probably go to one that actually recognizes the ROC

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Venom Snake posted:

this thread is so intense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYAbFqkvzQA

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
A little late to the party, but TCM is fully integrated into the standard state healthcare system in China.

That is, if you go to a state hospital (Nth People's Hospital of $city), you will see a doctor, get a prescription, go to pay for and collect your prescription, then see the doctor again for directions on its use.

Unless you specifically and repeatedly request otherwise, that prescription will be for both TCM and actual working medicine. If you show up without the TCM portion on your second doctor visit, they will want to know why, and may get annoyed / refuse to consider your case further if you're going to be uncooperative.

Chinese healthcare for simple / external issues is kinda brutal but effective, and definitely priced right, but TCM seems like a drag on the system that is very thoroughly integrated.

Also, from the research side, a lot of state funding is thrown at desperate attempts to squeeze more actual / observable effects out of TCM whether they exist or not.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


one thing i miss about chinese doctors is their willingness to throw a ton of medicine at you to make you go away

"oh you have bronchitis? heres a big bottle of codeine pills have fun"

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
In Hong Kong, doctors have their own pharmacies so prescribing way too much medicine is a profit center for them. You'll always come out with 4 different bags of pills and 2 bottles of liquid medicine when you go in for a cold.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeAsia/status/1182375305085968387

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i'm losing my goddamn mind

Scionix
Oct 17, 2009

hoog emm xDDD
gamers realize corporations only care about money, in this case chinese
gamers achieve class consciousness
gamers rise up
???
united socialist states of america

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

China is powerful enough to make corporations do what it wants and I'm not supposed to like that?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1183692103303487490?s=20

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*


red on red violence

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

there goes the left's circular firing squad again

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


capitalism breeds innovation



Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


i like how their picture is just a random recent picture of movie advertisements unrelated to the movie under discussion

if only there was a more relevant photo they could have shown like a comparison between the chinese maps and the vietnamese maps that would maybe give some context as to what the dispute is about

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

he wrote a letter to mao laying out problems in the planning of the great leap forward and was accused of being a right-deviationist

he was purged in 1958 i think

that seems sad. :smith:

Bloodnose posted:

In Hong Kong, doctors have their own pharmacies so prescribing way too much medicine is a profit center for them. You'll always come out with 4 different bags of pills and 2 bottles of liquid medicine when you go in for a cold.

Does HK have an opiate epidemic problem? Seems like they would in this context.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

GoutPatrol posted:

red on red violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/lokinhei/status/1183710189360336898

quote:

According to the Congressional Research office[2][3], the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act would direct various departments to assess whether political developments in Hong Kong justify changing Hong Kong's unique treatment under U.S. law. Specifically, it would:

Require the Secretary of State to issue an annual certification of Hong Kong’s autonomy to justify special treatment afforded to Hong Kong by the U.S. Hong Kong Policy Act of 1992.[12]
Require the President to identify persons responsible for the abductions of Hong Kong booksellers and journalists and those complicit in suppressing basic freedoms in Hong Kong, including those complicit in the rendition of individuals, in connection to their exercise of internationally recognized rights, to mainland China for detention or trial, and to freeze their U.S.-based assets and deny them entry into the United States.[12]
Require the President to issue a strategy to protect U.S. citizens and businesses from the risks posed by a revised Fugitive Offenders Ordinance, including by determining whether to revise the U.S.-Hong Kong extradition agreement and the State Department’s travel advisory for Hong Kong.[12]
Require the Secretary of Commerce to issue an annual report assessing whether the government of Hong Kong is adequately enforcing both U.S. export regulations regarding sensitive dual-use items and U.S. and U.N. sanctions, particularly regarding Iran and North Korea.[12]
Make clear that visa applicants shall not be denied visas on the basis of the applicant’s arrest, detention or other adverse government action taken as a result of their participation in the nonviolent protest activities related to pro-democracy advocacy, human rights, or the rule of law in Hong Kong.[12]

seems like asking the US to pass a law specifically to let them gently caress with HK is a bad idea

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1183386522030166016

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i like how everybody thinks that tributary state means like you have to send china a treasure fleet or they invade you or some weird kind of bullshit like that

whats especially funny is that china itself encourages this misunderstanding since it makes them sound like badass warriors instead of disinterested christmas uncles

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

i like how everybody thinks that tributary state means like you have to send china a treasure fleet or they invade you or some weird kind of bullshit like that

whats especially funny is that china itself encourages this misunderstanding since it makes them sound like badass warriors instead of disinterested christmas uncles
you're responding semi-seriously to a getfiscal tweet

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010


Sweet Mickey Ahegao Face

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

get that OUT of my face posted:

you're responding semi-seriously to a getfiscal tweet

loving getfiscal, I made the same dumb post just yesterday!

Norton the First posted:

When you think about China's historical claim to Tibet, don't all its neighbors owe obeisance to the Dragon Throne? Maybe the Japanese are off the hook, based on historical precedent, but not the Koreans or Mongolians or Vietnamese.

That Vietnam, or so-called "South Korea," or so-called "North Korea," have engaged in independent foreign policies, is frankly outrageous.

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

i offer my cock and balls as tribute to the people's republic of china

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Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?
Imagine the sigh of disappointment from a billion people

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