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IdealFlaws posted:So Price had Eliot killed but changed his mind in the last episode? Or did he make a show of it for Whiterose and come in after he recorded his fake death to revive him? Also are the mom and kid Eliot actually existing in this reality? I wonder what corporate building they were at Price changes his mind after Elliot dropped the Cyprus Bank name and showed Price that he might actually have a shot at taking down White Rose.
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The ending reveal is basically there is another( Oh it got it, Elliot is whiterose). He has gotten even crazier. Also if this illuminati group is so powerful and can start wars and gain more powers from them, how can they not ship some mystery mcguffin project to the Congo? Looking forward to the first Han Solo episode. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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Oct 14, 2019 06:34
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 if ya'll haven't figured out this show at this point. It's so obvious what is going on and what will happenI have no idea what the gently caress is going on but these first two episodes have been great
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Oct 14, 2019 06:39
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Hoping personality 3 is Leon.
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Oct 14, 2019 07:19
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At least 5 personalities. One will be REDACTED
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Oct 14, 2019 08:47
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Maybe we've got this backwards and Elliot's brain is like a Voltron.
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Oct 14, 2019 09:13
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All Eliot needs to do is prevent Whiterose from merging with the Helios AI and then he's free to decide whether to merge with it himself, destroy it, or to hand it over to the Illuminati.
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Oct 14, 2019 10:46
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Tiggum posted:All Eliot needs to do is prevent Whiterose from merging with the Helios AI and then he's free to decide whether to merge with it himself, destroy it, or to hand it over to the Illuminati. Thank you for doing the obvious joke. I would have done it otherwise!
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Oct 14, 2019 11:50
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So what did happen in 1884
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So people have been pointing out that there's been clues of a third personality hinted at for some time. At the start of S2E12, when Elliot is talking to Tyrell outside the SUV, he is speaking in a much slower paced and serene voice than either Mr. Robot or Elliot ever uses. He says "You're only seeing what's in front of you. You're not seeing what's above you", which is a line that confuses Mr. Robot when Tyrell brings it up again in S3E3. Then, in this episode, Elliot is talking to Price in the same self-assured, slow-paced and serene voice when they are in the Allsafe office. I just compared the two scenes and it seems pretty dead on. No idea what any of it means of course.
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Oct 14, 2019 14:27
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All that "cosmic" stuff Vera spews is going to relate to whiterose's ultimate plan in some way.
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Oct 14, 2019 15:14
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We all know in our hearts that the new personality is Alf
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Oct 14, 2019 15:49
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That opening exposition about Whiterose being the villan mastermind behind the neoliberal world order made me roll my eyes. Liked the rest of the episode though I wonder how it's going to come together at the end.
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I'm really not that excited about there being a third personality. There's 2 options, its either someone we know, or it's just a random new person we don't. After 3 seasons of everyone interacting with each other I don't see how it could be anyone we know, there's no way any established character could have been Elliot the whole time without it seeming absurd.
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Oct 14, 2019 17:45
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I think it's more like two Elliots and a Mr. Robot
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Oct 14, 2019 17:52
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i wish i had rewatched this show before season 4. i completely forgot about fsociety killing that lady. i feel like i'm gonna miss important moments, or implications, because so much has happened and i can't remember any of it.
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Oct 14, 2019 18:15
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I was gonna rewatch the last season but I didn't get around to it, so I just watched the last episode of season 3, and that wasn't nearly enough to bring up me to speed. Thank god my boy Leon had me covered!
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Gravastars posted:So people have been pointing out that there's been clues of a third personality hinted at for some time. That would imply that Tyrell is not the 3rd personality, and is probably not a character that we have met so far. It's possible they won't assign a separate actor to the 3rd personality, instead just letting him be the shady operative behind some of the major events that are beyond the understanding of Elliot and Mr. Robot. This might be the same personality that took over when Elliot's father died in the movie theater.
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Martian Manfucker posted:i wish i had rewatched this show before season 4. i completely forgot about fsociety killing that lady. i feel like i'm gonna miss important moments, or implications, because so much has happened and i can't remember any of it. I tried to recap as much as possible but I never thought that she would be an important character because she was so throw away in S2 and never mentioned in S3
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Oct 14, 2019 18:37
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It's definitely Alf.
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Oct 14, 2019 18:58
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I didn't know what Sam Esmail looked like so when he was in the show I just thought he was some random ecorp/dark army goon. Knowing it''s the creator makes it a way different moment. For a while I was thinking the third personality would be us, the viewer, but maybe he's going Stephen King with it and wrote himself into his own dark tower.
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Oct 14, 2019 19:02
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So where does the viewer fit in? We're not a personality, just an imaginary friend?
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Oct 14, 2019 19:03
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I don't know about you but I've been screaming at him to do certain things through all the seasons. I was telling him not to undo the hack, tellin' him to do or not do this or that all the time. Delete debt, kill rich people, if that isn't what Sam is wanting us to feel while watching this then I guess it's just my bloodthirsty classicism. Then again he never listens to me so if we are a personality we don't have too much sway.
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Have we ever seen Angela's mom? She's apparently a major enough figure in his younger life that he recorded that tape for her. She dies due to E-Corp like his Dad and he hallucinates him all over the place. im depressed lol fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Oct 14, 2019 |
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Oct 14, 2019 20:26
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im depressed lol posted:Have we ever seen Angela's mom? Yeah, she's in a flashback
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Oct 14, 2019 21:17
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ah ok, season 3 episode 6
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Oct 14, 2019 21:50
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was the music in the opening from The Matrix?
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Riptor posted:was the music in the opening from The Matrix? It sounded like something Philip Glass did. I'm not sure.
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Yeup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a2K4pcAFIM
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Oct 15, 2019 00:41
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Yes! Figured it was from Koyaanisqatsi.
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Oct 15, 2019 00:43
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Man NYC really is pretty at Christmastime. And before you start in on "well after the first snow, it rapidly turns to grey slush" that's pretty much my favorite type of weather anyway. Lolling at the guy knocking the tree over
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Ugh... how do I even begin to unpack this episode for ya'll. Okay, let's get the rear end in a top hat part of my post out of the way first and just go chronologically. This episode mostly suffered from "let's put everyone off the center camera frame because that's what Mr. Robot is recognizable for" syndrome. It was rarely-if-ever used to convey anything meaningful other than the usual sense of unease the show tries to impart on a constant basis anyways. It wasn't noticeable last episode, if it even was a problem, but this episode it was just everywhere. It's such a problem. That song at the beginning as Price rants about how easy it is to set up an Illuminati while they showed alternate-universe Forrest Gump footage? That's Philip Glass - Pruit Igoe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_SpRBXRmE You may recognize it from the movie already linked in this thread, Koyaanisqatsi, but you may also recognize it from the original trailer for GTA:IV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlF6fbIFiCM Or you might recognize it from one of the best scenes in the Watchmen movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXohNU3tWo But what you saw instead was Sam Esmail thinking that it's perfectly fine to be wholly unoriginal and throw at his audience something that he hopes will be seen as thoughtful, emotional, and impactful. To me, it rang empty. If I put aside my own personal objection to its overuse, I would instead have to object to the fact it was used in the beginning of the episode. A masterstroke explanation like that one certainly warrants the song, I won't disagree, but it's the kind of thing that would fit better as the climax of an episode or a season, not up front in your scanlined CRT television. I heard the song begin, I understood what Price was explaining, and all I could do was sigh. The season premiere was a fluke after all and here we are, up Sam Esmail's rear end again. Now... I was going to complain about the direction of Elliot in that first scene. The way he's all cold and insular while talking to Price was great (he was just brought back from the dead, obviously he had some drug-induced side-effects) but the fact he immediately cured himself just to give Price a stern talking to seemed way off. But now that there's apparently a third Elliot personality that is being rumored to have shown itself in other parts of the show, eh. Fine. That's Elliot 3. But I'll still take a jab at this scene and suggest the "You can get us in." "Excuse me?" dialog is older than dirt. Price may be off his rocker now that Angela's dead but there's no reason for him to be dumb enough not to foresee the suggestion that he be the in towards hacking the Deus Group. Oh yeah I'm totally on board with the "AI Safe" logo being a hint that Whiterose's project is just a massive data-center into which he will upload people's brains. Everyone will become AI, that's why Angela thought "we could all be re-united" because they'll put her in a Matrix where she'll be with mom again. Either that or the Singularity. Anyway, between AI Safe, Mom having a missing safe deposit box, and the lawyer's e-coin bank account, I think "Safes" might be a theme of some sort? Eh, might be reaching there. Anyway, dead mom's room scene was fine. Something's probably up with the dumb broken clock? Who knows:  Gonna assume that 4th hand is supposed to be an alarm? Never seen a wall clock with an alarm setting, let alone an analog alarm setting hand that was as long as a seconds hand. WTF is with that clock? Some super obvious imagery going on with Dom's interview:   Which probably means something but it's so easy to come up with poo poo that there's no way to know the actual meaning being imparted. "Whiterose is behind Dom but nobody is behind the man" I dunno. Also her head is covering up the FBI logo that shows on that monitor. Gonna be honest I was straight up thrown off by this: https://i.imgur.com/S4bYdSg.mp4 Why was this poor transition used when the previous episode did the same thing, twice, going in and out of a taxi completely seamlessly? I don't get it. It's like day and night how much effort was put into these first two episodes. I wish I could get official credits because nobody is listed as cinematographer. There are two assistant directors but they're the same names. I kinda have to blame Esmail on this one. Hey! Who is this guy?  He looks familiar. I like him. The snowman costume was good poo poo. I was waiting for the payoff and I'm glad it was a simple "condolences." Thoughts and prayers, ya'll. This was a good center vanishing point shot. I liked it.  Again you could probably make up some meaning here. E-Corp bank is big and Elliot and Darlene are little people. Whatever. There was a decent subtle long shot between Elliot and Darlene while she's holding the urn, good on them for sticking with the subtlety. Another obvious symbolic shot was here between the bleeding red exit sign and the cross on the wall.   Again, insert whatever you wanna make of this. Elliot having a Christ complex? Darlene being a way out? Once they come to terms and are "cool" with each other the symbology goes away as they stand next to each other in an even framing. Okay have you rolled your eyes yet at my post? This poo poo's more a therapy for me than anything else. I just watched Barry's best episode (Ronny Lily) and it's a drat shame when Bill Hader's direction outshines Sam Esmail's. But hey, good for Hader! Anyway, last thing. The kid was told "that's not your seat." There are 3 other seats at the table. So then we have Autistic Elliot, Mr. Robot, Kid Elliot, and Mystery (Let's call him "Confident") Elliot as the 4 personalities? I was kinda hoping we were done with twists but here we are. Looking forward to a flashback episode where Confident Elliot murders the gently caress out of Vera and his gang. That's why he isn't a problem!
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So, anyone else notice this in the background? Changing the Allsafe sign so it looks like it says "AI." It was pretty prominently featured both in this week's episode and last week with it in frame quite a bit during dialog scenes.
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Oct 15, 2019 03:30
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It's a red herring. Al is the third/fourth Elliot
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Yeah, I noticed that too.Khanstant posted:It's a red herring. Al is the third/fourth Elliot ...that's... the opposite of a red herring?
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I was hoping we were gonna get 60+ min episodes every week, was bummed to see this one was back to the standard 44 or whatever.DaveKap posted:Ugh... how do I even begin to unpack this episode for ya'll. Your posts are such a strange blend of really good and interesting and hate-watching snarky elitist. Do you not like much on TV at all or are you holding this show up to higher standard because of Esmail's unearned reputation and penchant for making things look more flashy and brilliant than they actually are? muscles like this! posted:So, anyone else notice this in the background? Considering it's been on-screen front and centre for about 10 minutes over the last couple of weeks, yeah we've noticed.
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Looten Plunder posted:I was hoping we were gonna get 60+ min episodes every week, was bummed to see this one was back to the standard 44 or whatever. Yeah, I was pretty disappointed when there was a commercial break at all. Looten Plunder posted:Your posts are such a strange blend of really good and interesting and hate-watching snarky elitist. Do you not like much on TV at all or are you holding this show up to higher standard because of Esmail's unearned reputation and penchant for making things look more flashy and brilliant than they actually are? Trust me, if this is how Dave's posts are going to be for the indefinite future, I'll take it. For some reason, he was completely hung up on Angela being recruited into the Dark Army at the end of season 2 on being a plot hole, and was seriously convinced that her personality shift was completely unexplained, despite her plan to undo E Corp from within proving to be completely fruitless on every level and then being kidnapped by a hacker mafia and interrogated with a series of strange questions from both a child and White Rose. Personally though, I'm seriously wondering how they managed to splice videos of Putin and other real world figures with White Rose. However they did it, it's as impressive as when they used someone to dub over videos of Obama talking about Tyrell Wellick back in season 2.
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Khanstant posted:It's a red herring. Al is the third/fourth Elliot He's going to dramatically spraypaint a red f in the blank space
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He will reach through the screen and spraypaint the viewer
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Shitenshi posted:Trust me, if this is how Dave's posts are going to be for the indefinite future, I'll take it. For some reason, he was completely hung up on Angela being recruited into the Dark Army at the end of season 2 on being a plot hole, and was seriously convinced that her personality shift was completely unexplained, despite her plan to undo E Corp from within proving to be completely fruitless on every level and then being kidnapped by a hacker mafia and interrogated with a series of strange questions from both a child and White Rose. His posts are fine, he's admitted he was a bit crazy before. It's not like he's criticizing the entire show when he's only seen one episode mid-season or something.
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