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I don't think I've ever seen a Friends inspired meme. That's the true measure of cultural relevance. more importantly https://twitter.com/AvyLynne/status/1183481991326502912?s=20
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Plank Walker posted:no it's because friends depicts an idealized view of the 90s lifestyle with 0 criticism thereof. it's 90s leave it to beaver It's pretty much this, except instead of a 90s lifestyle is it's PMC one (which, tbf, was arguably birthed in the 90s). It's simply bougie white people wanting entertainment that doesn't make them think about their privileges (even accidentally).
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CharlestheHammer posted:not really. I think the weird point is the one that is objectively incorrect personally. have you looked at the box office charts or the tv ratings or the bestseller lists from that era because the vast majority of it is poo poo that neither you nor i nor anyone else has ever heard of
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man i want to see parasite but it basically isn't playing in georgia
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MizPiz posted:It's pretty much this, except instead of a 90s lifestyle is it's PMC one (which, tbf, was arguably birthed in the 90s) i've never seen an episode of friends other than catching snippets on TBS or whatever while channel surfing--no real desire to either
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Oct 15, 2019 02:42
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Xaris posted:whats PMC private military corporation
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Atrocious Joe posted:I don't think I've ever seen a Friends inspired meme. yeah this is why the idea that friends is a huge cultural touchstone really surprises me stuff from the simpsons and seinfeld actually holds up as still funny the typical friends joke is just something dumb like ross speaks in an english accent for no reason or joey is a horny idiot for as long as i can remember the show was just jennifer anistons origin story and even thats an antiquated reference at this point
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KomradeX posted:That's something else that these, besides that these 23+ movies have maybe 5 lines that get quoted between all of them, they're are no stand out set pieces like running from the boulder, ripping the heart out, choosing the wrong grail, the Death Star trench run, the Canal chase from T2, anything from Aliens or any of the other rich stones of well cinema that have been absorbed into culture. It's like the opposite of Avatar that made a billion dollars but left no pop cultural foot print, these Marvel movies make so much money and god knows their toys and other related things are everywhere but nothing from there movies themselves have entered into our cultural history like these other scenes have. Maybe the elevator fight from Winter Solider?
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Some Guy TT posted:have you looked at the box office charts or the tv ratings or the bestseller lists from that era because the vast majority of it is poo poo that neither you nor i nor anyone else has ever heard of that isn’t terribly relevant to my point unless you think I mean every pop culture article will be remembered which isn’t my point nor the discussion. pop culture will be remembered for rather arbitrary reasons and the idea that modern pop culture will be forgotten when past pop has objectively not is insane. it’s old man yelling at clouds basically
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at this point we're not going to be allowed to forget the marvel movies and that's the true horror
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Xaris posted:whats PMC Professional-managerial class It's simultaneously annoying and apt that it shares an acronym for glorified mercenaries
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Serf posted:at this point we're not going to be allowed to forget the marvel movies and that's the true horror like john wicks and dennis villeneuve movies have been the only good things the last several years and even the former is a small-studio. like look at 2004-2007 vs 2015-2018 2004 - 2007 posted:Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest compare that to 2015 through 2018 posted:Star Wars Ep. VII: The Force Awakens loving shameful Xaris has issued a correction as of 04:17 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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MizPiz posted:Professional-managerial class ah gotcha, yeah i was c onfused with the PMC term lol
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KomradeX posted:That's something else that these, besides that these 23+ movies have maybe 5 lines that get quoted between all of them, they're are no stand out set pieces like running from the boulder, ripping the heart out, choosing the wrong grail, the Death Star trench run, the Canal chase from T2, anything from Aliens or any of the other rich stones of well cinema that have been absorbed into culture. It's like the opposite of Avatar that made a billion dollars but left no pop cultural foot print, these Marvel movies make so much money and god knows their toys and other related things are everywhere but nothing from there movies themselves have entered into our cultural history like these other scenes have. Maybe the elevator fight from Winter Solider? all these references apply to just one generation tbf that generation was happening with contemporary with the contradiction of Lucas and Spielberg (and I guess Carpenter) helping birth blockbuster franchise films while being pretty good directors with lots of creative control. They were active in a time when the old Hollywood system was breaking down and talent could actually help a director climb social classes in the transition to the new system. The Marvel project seems at the end of the day an attempt to push down the cost with labor, with the main marketing push is placed on the superhero IP and hoping to make talent replaceable. With regards to the returning actors this seems like it sort of backfired, as all the stars from the first films became A-listers and fought for pay bumps, but behind the scenes it seems like Disney won. It seems like they have indie darling directors signing on to direct three dialogue heavy scenes while the Marvel Team is in charge of the rest of the direction. The cinematic universe is also directly related to Stan Lee's innovation of vaguely tying all his comics together to trick 12-year-old boys into buying them all to get the "whole story." That way Marvel didn't really need to have quality content in all the books and they could keep over working their writers and artists. Except now this trick is being played on 40 year old men.
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CharlestheHammer posted:that isn’t terribly relevant to my point unless you think I mean every pop culture article will be remembered which isn’t my point nor the discussion. pop culture will be remembered for rather arbitrary reasons and the idea that modern pop culture will be forgotten when past pop has objectively not is insane. the idea that past pop culture was forgotten for being poo poo is the exact opposite of old man yelling at clouds i would also like to take a moment to appreciate the irony of you making this argument with a simpsons reference as opposed to a sitcom from the last twenty years
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Some Guy TT posted:the idea that past pop culture was forgotten for being poo poo is the exact opposite of old man yelling at clouds I did not use a Simpson reference so I have no idea what you mean here. the Simpsons reference was in relationship to Friends another twenty year old show. both not forgotten. Weird Almost like popular pop culture just doesn’t disappear
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CharlestheHammer posted:I did not use a Simpson reference so I have no idea what you mean here. clearly you are right twenty years from now casual speech will be peppered by popular marvel movie references such as
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Some Guy TT posted:clearly you are right twenty years from now casual speech will be peppered by popular marvel movie references such as I don’t care about that it’s pointless. no one quotes friends but it’s still a thing people know. I’m not interested in which is better or whatever that’s pointless and is going to weigh heavily on what you personally have nostalgia for
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The thing about saying superhero films aren't "cinema" is that it starts getting into genre ghettoization as a whole, which gets into even stupider arguments about whether Get Out is horror or cinema, etc. It's an argument that leads into aristocratic thinking that rewards crap. Sure, Scorsese's films are good, but are many of the films that are within his genre of crime thrillers and such, are they equivalently good or even worthwhile? Is Gotti cinema while Winter Soldier is not? It annoys me more because it's similar arguments that have been used to marginalize animation, one of the coolest cinematic effects we've ever done, or comics, a fascinating art form that has produced Persepolis and The Epileptic and all other sorts of things, being reduced "oh those are for children." Which makes no sense. The Marvel films are very homogeneous and very focus-grouped and, particularly pertinent to this thread, mostly technocratically neoliberal, but they are, they do communicate ideas about what heroism is, the relationship between technology and surveillance, etc. In short, they have value, even if not the same value as Last Temptation of Christ, but probably just as much if not more than some glowing biopic of Margaret Thatcher or whatever the gently caress. Like, I can sympathize with James Cameron saying, "Holy poo poo, could we make another kind of movie." Less so with trying to gatekeep genres. High art is frequently poo poo and there's plenty of gems in low art. And worse, making such a point of that leads to poo poo that tries to overcompensate and be meaningful cinema like Batman vs. Superman, which has far less to say about anything than any Raimi Spider-Man. I don't know. Maybe I'm the nerd who needs to be yelled at. But I think it's important to keep definitions of art as liberal as possible, lest you end up calling anything you don't like smut, y'know.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t care about that it’s pointless. if youre not interested in discussions about how and why certain kinds of pop culture manifest in daily life i dont think the cspam pop culture thread is a place where youre going to have a good time
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lots of people know and quote friends, shockingly those same people dont tend to frequent these forums but friends is at least as popular if not more than the simpsons is it as influential in shaping current culture as the simpsons? absolutely not. but that's not its role. friends is to the 90s as leave it to beaver is to the 50s and i guess how i met your mother to the 00s. it's a mass market period sitcom, the entire point of it is slice of life of the upper middle class (PMC ugh). as such, it's ripe for nostalgia since anyone living through the 90s will be like ah yes this is what life was like, despite most likely not actually having been as well off as the characters, but having aspired to be so during that time
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What's important about the few good superhero movies is that they allow young people to participate in the current mythology which creates a sense of community. Like, my nephews go to the theater with 20 or 30 of their friends once or twice a month and binge *every* event film. I think Avery Brooks talked about it a little bit when he said that it was good for black kids to see Captain Sisko on screen because he's such a positive figure. Into the Spiderverse probably works the same way with Miles Morales. Thor and Hulk are important in their own way, and it helps to have them confronting those challenges (anger and insecurity, accepting responsibilities) on screen, casting a wider net. I'm vague on all of what Scorsese said, but I think his viewpoint exposes a professional insecurity– a need to be serious or perceived as such when all of film is a form of fantasy. It's just people playing pretend in front of a camera. There's a Michael Chabon essay where he gets pissed at culture snobs who don't appreciate how challenging it is to write a swashbuckling adventure with strong heroes and villains. Scorsese seems to fall into this pit and gets caught up in the genre rather than focusing on the quality of the work or the (often terrible, algorithmic) subtext. The Marvel movies overall are solid and they at least deserve some credit for being a colossal logistical operation and I think Ragnarok is a legit good movie. I dunno, I'm kinda all over the place with this phone post
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Fleetwood posted:I think Ragnarok is a legit good movie thor ragnarok is a legit good movie, but mostly bc the cast loving nails it with hemsworth and goldblum just loving around having fun, and Taika Waititi is extremely funny and talented. anyone else in the director's chair and it'd have been boring and forgettable as thor 2. it's good enough that it works on it's own outside of any marvel attachments (and the few marvel attached parts actually drags it down a bit). it manages to never take itself seriously but avoiding the trap of self-referential "haha we know we're not trying to be serious cuz its bad  !!" that many ones fall into trying to be to pomo whedon-whatever garbage or w/e its called.It's not so much a problem that they exist, as i said, they make very good filler to kill time on an airplane ride, or I presume if you have kids its a way to shut them up for 2 hrs. It's more the overall industry has consolidated and turned into a stagnant boring algorithmic-focus-tested behemoth that doesn't actually do much else besides reboot, prequels, live-action/3d remakes, and more reboots and sequels of poo poo that once worked 5-20 years ago. Like yeah there's still some good movies coming out: Midsommar, Blade Runner 2049, sicario, Get out, sorry to bother you, John Wicks, Grand Budapest Hotel, and stuff are v good, but a) they're usually small production work or the last remaining directors with talent to have enough pull to get their own pet-projects funded (villeneuve, tarantino, alfonso cuaron, del toro, etc), and b) very far and few between. even though there was a lot of bad stuff being made before, at least it was more novel or fresh and a one-off from the getgo. it definitely feels like we get less movies like Children of Men/No Country for Old Men/Will be Blood/Pitch Black and such than we used to. Xaris has issued a correction as of 07:20 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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claims pop culture is easily disposable & forgotten still remembers Minky Momo Xaris posted:thor ragnarok is a legit good movie, but mostly bc the cast loving nails it with hemsworth and goldblum just loving around having fun, and Taika Waititi is extremely funny and talented. anyone else in the director's chair and it'd have been boring and forgettable as thor 2. it's good enough that it works on it's own outside of any marvel attachments (and the few marvel attached parts actually drags it down a bit). it manages to never take itself seriously but avoiding the trap of self-referential "haha we know we're not trying to be serious cuz its bad it doesn't matter who could have directed Thor 2 because the script was so dour and boring. Thor 3 was just recycling what Thor 1 got right, which is that Thor works when he's a fun loving fish out of water - only everything about Thor 3 was also better.
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Fleetwood posted:What's important about the few good superhero movies is that they allow young people to participate in the current mythology which creates a sense of community. Like, my nephews go to the theater with 20 or 30 of their friends once or twice a month and binge *every* event film. when you write binge do you mean that they watch every prequel on a relay so that say for the next marvel film they'd be watching over twenty marvel movies to prepare for the newest one
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it's incredibly cool that we no longer just *consume* media, but we do so in the same language we use to describe eating disorders
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drat, you tell em Carlin!
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We don't really have a thread for YouTube poo poo so here's some poo poo: ContraPoints had buck angel in a video Buck Angel is truscum who RTs glinner https://twitter.com/AutumnOpossum/status/1183912485344206848?s=19 Awesome, dude
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Some Guy TT posted:when you write binge do you mean that they watch every prequel on a relay so that say for the next marvel film they'd be watching over twenty marvel movies to prepare for the newest one Oh, I meant they form a mob and go to the theater once or twice month to watch everything that's new. In a way, it sort of proves Scorsese's point about superhero movies being theme park attractions (the kids hop from screen to screen), but that shouldn't detract from any value they might have.
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Xaris posted:thor ragnarok is a legit good movie, but mostly bc the cast loving nails it with hemsworth and goldblum just loving around having fun, and Taika Waititi is extremely funny and talented. anyone else in the director's chair and it'd have been boring and forgettable as thor 2. it's good enough that it works on it's own outside of any marvel attachments (and the few marvel attached parts actually drags it down a bit). it manages to never take itself seriously but avoiding the trap of self-referential "haha we know we're not trying to be serious cuz its bad Believe it or not, there's a real hunger from the studios to find strong writers who can produce a product that isn't just recycled versions of the media they've obsessively consumed. I talked to a successful person in the industry recently who said that too many writers have no life experience outside of consuming media. The Marvel movies really suffer from this. Once you peel away a lot of the idpol surface stuff, what remains is the bland algorithm structure and disturbing consumer or military subtext.
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i think marvel movies are different to 'cinema' in the same way that maybe trash direct-to-video/netflix stuff is. its not that they arent artistically worthy but the way you consume them means that youre judging them entirely differently
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this moment of cinema reminds me of the late '60s, when everything big was trying to capitalize on It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World and the "way too many movie stars" comedy formula. that ended poorly for Hollywood and they gave the keys to directors like Coppolla, Spielberg, and Scorsese but at the same time, it's different because everyone who makes a mildly successful movie is tapped to make a Marvel movie that's announced years in advance, and now Hollywood doesn't have to rely entirely on the domestic market for a movie to be a success. the only way the cycle will break is if more directors and writers put their foot down. it's happened to some degree but there's a ways to go
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:We don't really have a thread for YouTube poo poo so here's some poo poo: ContraPoints had buck angel in a video I dont understand i watched that contrapoints video and i didnt see or hear buck angel brought up? e: ah poo poo i missed my chance to call into the radio show to win $1000 while looking this poo poo over goddammit Proletarian Mango has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Upmarket Mango posted:I dont understand i watched that contrapoints video and i didnt see or hear buck angel brought up? He did a voiceover line
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why hasnt there been a proper paranoid spy movie in ages? we live in an age where spooks seem to run everything and have captured all the tech giants but the only thing that gets greenlight is garbage like jack ryan. john krasinski seems like a massive islamophobic chud
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cargo cult posted:why hasnt there been a proper paranoid spy movie in ages? we live in an age where spooks seem to run everything and have captured all the tech giants but the only thing that gets greenlight is garbage like jack ryan. john krasinski seems like a massive islamophobic chud "Weird how there aren't any movies about how spies running everything would be bad even though spies run everything now"
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