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Oracle posted:Yeah ag reports. NPR has a show on in rural areas that covers all this and more. Growing up in farm country, the nightly news broadcast would have corn/soy/hogs futures right along side the daily DJIA/S&P market recap. Sleepy puppy tax: 
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luxury handset posted:you know who else thinks the solution to public school funding problems is to fire overpaid, useless administrators? (also public schools can't engage in deficit spending without public bond issuance, which gets back to the same local control of funding at the root of the problem) "IT'S THE TEACHERS UNIONS, DUDE! Those guys don't even work for 3 months!" There seems to be a mysterious ideal institution in everyone's heads where it is leanly staffed, but capable of servicing 10 times as many people as are there with full, individualized attention.
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PT6A posted:Yes. We have high school football here too, you know! I would bet vast sums of money that the cultural obsession with football in the US is nothing like what Canada experiences.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:To be fair, while I'm not especially surprised there are high schools with Jumbotrons for their football programs, I also wasn't aware of them and I'm an American. Texans are probably more familiar with them, but all three school districts in my immediate area growing up has jumbotrons in their stadiums, though the stadiums were shared by all the high schools in the district.
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PT6A posted:Excellent, then why did you disagree with my post that we should blame the people who are responsible for the funding, rather than the people forced to divide inadequate funding? Jesus you have no idea what you are talking about. I disagreed with you because they aren't funded that way and we have to make choices about what does get funded. I personally believe that teachers and students education should be the things we spend money on, and not sports, coaches, and admin staff to administer all of it. You seem to disagree with that. EDIT: and you're a canadian so you have even less of an idea of what you're talking about than I originally thought. Brony Car posted:"IT'S THE TEACHERS UNIONS, DUDE! Those guys don't even work for 3 months!" Teacher's unions are also woefully underfunded and not nearly as powerful as some think. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Trump calls for his own impeachment:
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There Bias Two posted:I would bet vast sums of money that the cultural obsession with football in the US is nothing like what Canada experiences. We have a school here with 2 NHL-sized rinks, and still no Jumbotron.
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PT6A posted:Yes. We have high school football here too, you know! Yea however I doubt, because of where you are, you hear much about how many Americans, particularly in the Southeast and Texas, treat high school football. There are more than a few SE US public schools that have football stadiums better than some professional venues. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/highschool/article/Most-expensive-high-school-football-stadiums-Texas-13145194.php https://www.maxpreps.com/news/VFHT4UsAn0Kxjx_zXJeiow/top-10-most-expensive-high-school-football-stadiums-in-texas.htm https://www.ajc.com/sports/high-school-football/photos-biggest-high-school-football-stadiums-georgia/MJXwMCMOw7cahf9C5scD4H/
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Jesus you have no idea what you are talking about. I think you're touching on a nerve because the vague assertion that there are "layers of needless administration" is often the response of right-leaning or right-wing people in this country whenever someone remotely liberal suggests increasing school funding through tax increases or a bond issuance. I'm sure there are some very badly run school districts out there, but administrative layers often arise because there's usually more work than people can see from the outside.
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Didn't the "No Child Left Behind" government accountability movement (not just that act but the whole thing) end up creating a huge need for administration that didn't exist before?
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Brony Car posted:I think you're touching on a nerve because the vague assertion that there are "layers of needless administration" is often the response of right-leaning or right-wing people in this country whenever someone remotely liberal suggests increasing school funding through tax increases or a bond issuance. You're likely correct, and I want to make clear I am not making a right wing argument. Schools need admin staff, and often more than it would seem due to the level of bureaucracy they have to navigate. That's all fine and good, but there is some serious grifting going on as well. GlyphGryph posted:Didn't the "No Child Left Behind" government accountability movement (not just that act but the whole thing) end up creating a huge need for administration that didn't exist before? Yeah. Get rid of the god damned standardized tests and schools will instantly have additional money.
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But how else will they determine which schools are under performing so that they can punish those schools and demand better results with even less funding?
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In Texas, high school football is often treated like actual pro football. They have huge, expensive stadiums, and it's a major part of the culture of certain communities. It's really loving weird to people from anywhere else.
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Taerkar posted:But how else will they determine which schools are under performing so that they can punish those schools and demand better results with even less funding? It's almost as if the movement was intended to Starve the Beast and allow Charter Schools to flourish!
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Ershalim posted:Oh, okay... this might be a dumb follow-up, but how does that work in practice re: food? I'm not super versed in logistics, but I think most school lunches are outsourced to catering companies, so are they just contractually obligated to bring X amount of food per week and paid up front? Is the school being reimbursed by the money given to them by students buying lunches? It feels like there's something, somewhere in the chain where there's some service being provided on faith before it's paid for. Where does that happen? Is the school paying for the service weekly with money pre-allocated during the setting of the budget? this is the part which is highly variable some schools outsource food provision to third party contractors. some schools cook on site in kitchens. some schools have a hybrid system, where private companies might set up shop in the school cafeteria assuming the school provides food through directly employed cafeteria staff, the cafeteria manager will have a set yearly budget to work with and plan out meals at a very low cost per student. they will try to recoup as much of that money as possible through lunch fees, which are typically pretty cheap per-meal (though easily out of reach of very poor students). i'm talking like $2 per lunch, but assume a family that has three kids in the system, that $6/day (more with breakfast!) will add up fast this is why subleasing a part of the cafeteria to some local fast food franchise is attractive, you then collect your taco bell rent and leave it up to them to make their profit off your student base this is also why school food is often garbage, whoever is running the breakfast/lunch program is getting industrial scale foodstock from sysco or us foods and trying to feed students at about a dollar per head. so, dehydrated eggs, large portions of cheap meals like vegetable soup and giant pans of cheese pizza, etc. Shifty Pony posted:Those sorts of expenditures tend to be funded by the booster club. this is also a good point - school sports, especially very popular sports like football, are often on a separate revenue stream if not a revenue generator for the school. a high school with a monster size stadium usually had big receipts from ticket and concession sales if it's the kind of place where the entire town turns out for a game. and the districts with stadiums that seat 10k folks tend not to be the same districts that struggle with school funding Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Oct 15, 2019 18:27
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https://twitter.com/AREvers/status/1183828390530469888 Goddamn Gym is such a piece of poo poo. This is the argument they are going with? Never thought I would see the day Republicans are spouting process arguments
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There Bias Two posted:I would bet vast sums of money that the cultural obsession with football in the US is nothing like what Canada experiences. maybe not football, but let me tell you about the Canadian junior hockey system
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AREvers/status/1183828390530469888 It's a good sign, they're out of better ideas.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1184149515265175553 If it goes all the way back to March a lot more subpoenas are gonna go out this week
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I think it's a fair guess to say Canada is also a bit denser then the US, so it probably has fewer, albeit larger schools while the US has a need for a metric gently caress ton of small ones.
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Celexi posted:Issue in America, at least in California is how schools also get funded per student being in school daily, which makes them pack students for as long they can regardless of it being a good idea or not, they should have a fixed budget according to student number and size of school and not on how many students they can keep packed imprisoned all day. Yeah this caused problems at my school. When our old administration retired this stereotype of a young 80s businessman took over in my sophmore year. He immediately instituted policies where you failed every class with a 0 if you were absent more than 5 days. There were no exceptions to this unless you had documentation from a doctor or hospital verifying that you had a condition that he thought was an acceptable reason to miss school. So he would even refuse some doctor's notes even if families went to the expense of a doctor visit. He also doubled the price of school lunches. Oh and to discourage early graduation he banned any student who did it from senior prom, the yearbooks and graduation and made them pay some kind of administrative fee. Mine was $240 so I sold my class ring for scrap gold.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AREvers/status/1183828390530469888 Matt Gaetz isn't legally allowed to be in those hearings; he's not part of the committee. And if process arguments are all they've got, they've already lost the debate. Literally no one cares that these things are being held behind closed doors except the House GOP; the good bits are all getting leaked anyway. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Brave New World posted:In Texas, high school football is often treated like actual pro football. They have huge, expensive stadiums, and it's a major part of the culture of certain communities. It's really loving weird to people from anywhere else. I'm in Ohio, and in my town it's basically just "bleachers and an old scoreboard around the field," but I went to look up a fancier one that I drive past sometimes. Apparently it seats 4,000 people and has a "video scoreboard," which I assume is a Jumbotron or equivalent. I can't imagine 4,000 people turning out to watch high school football, but there are pictures of the stands being packed so I guess it does happen. I'm originally from NY, and the only interaction I ever had with high school football was when they had the annual mandatory pep rally in the gym, and it was about the same for pretty much everyone I knew.
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https://twitter.com/kennethkorri/status/1183956136250281986 Not sure if the right one is real or not, but LOL regardless.
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Countdown until that background music is cease & desist'd. Edit- federalize the education system, stop letting Bubba and Nancy run our education systems. ummel fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Shifty Pony posted:Those sorts of expenditures tend to be funded by the booster club. Sadly all too often they're paid for by the school district outright. The excuse to get around title-IX is they let the women's sports play on the field sometimes. Here are some examples for those unfamiliar: Waxahachie ISD - Screen Cost: $500,000 Paid for by the ISD. Number of Students in the ISD total: 8,500 Average Teacher Salary: $53k Economically Disadvantaged Students: 45%  Katy ISD - Screen Cost: $2M Paid for by the ISD. Number of Students in the ISD total: 77,300 Average Teacher Salary: $57k (+4k over state average) Economically Disadvantaged Students: 31%  Mckinney ISD - Screen Size: 32'x54' Paid for by the ISD. Number of Students in the ISD total: 24,800 Average Teacher Salary: $57k (+4k over state average) Economically Disadvantaged Students: 30%  Weslaco ISD - Screen Size: 36'x66' Paid for by the ISD. Number of Students in the ISD total: 17,100 Average Teacher Salary: $57k (+4k over state average) Economically Disadvantaged Students: 82% 
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Trabisnikof posted:Sadly all too often they're paid for by the school district outright. The excuse to get around title-IX is they let the women's sports play on the field sometimes. independent school districts are a weird edge case of yeehaw texas and aren't going to be explicative of school district operations around the rest of the united states not that these expenditures are excusable in any way, just that this is a poor example of how public school expenditure on athletic programs works in general, outside of texas
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ummel posted:Countdown until that background music is cease & desist'd. Nah, usually education is run locally by a series of Very Concerned Moms all named Becky.
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luxury handset posted:this is the part which is highly variable I used to work for one of the three largest food service management companies in the world and can say this is pretty accurate. Third party companies make their money because they have purchasing agreements in place and will both skim off the top in direct food sales to students (or, more likely, be subsidized by the school district because they're still able to operate it cheaper than the school thinks they can), and also take advantage of additional discounts from vendors for being able to bulk-purchase millions of pounds of food annually. Many, many public agreements also allow the vendor to operate on a sliding scale fee arrangement, where the district approves a certain budget and the vendor makes more money the better they do against that budget. Often times the vendor will over-hype the budgetary needs so they can bank more for the company, or just outright grift because not every school district has a liaison that understands how food service works. There are minimum standards in place as well, but lol if you think that a mega company doesn't look for ways to skirt them.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Nah, usually education is run locally by a series of Very Concerned Moms all named Becky. But like Bubba and Nancy they are all usually racist
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friendbot2000 posted:But like Bubba and Nancy they are all usually racist "I mean, school choice will mean more of the ni-"urban" children will be in our suburban school district! We can't have that!" Becky, PTA Meeting
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friendbot2000 posted:But like Bubba and Nancy they are all usually racist Of course they're not racist. They even begin every sentence with "I'm not racist, but"! I know we have a state/local elections thread but we really need a thread for discussing weirdos in state/local politics. I grew up in a small town and boy have I got some good stories.
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Trabisnikof posted:Sadly all too often they're paid for by the school district outright. The excuse to get around title-IX is they let the women's sports play on the field sometimes. Jesus, these are nicer and more well equipped than our pro stadium. Do they charge for tickets? If so, are they breaking even or making money at least?
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Trabisnikof posted:Sadly all too often they're paid for by the school district outright. The excuse to get around title-IX is they let the women's sports play on the field sometimes. Holy poo poo! Weslaco is my home town! Very poor school district. I taught there in the mid 90's and I had 36 students in each of my classes. I had one set of 30 text books for nearly 180 students. Oh, and only 30 chairs.
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luxury handset posted:independent school districts are a weird edge case of yeehaw texas and aren't going to be explicative of school district operations around the rest of the united states those stadiums were all built with funding obtained in local bond elections as well, not from the general school budget. fun fact, in Texas you are legally not allowed to use a bond election to pay teachers or to pay for student lunches
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luxury handset posted:independent school districts are a weird edge case of yeehaw texas and aren't going to be explicative of school district operations around the rest of the united states The ISD model is pretty normal, I don't think it is as unusual as you think. I only used Texas examples because the Texas Tribune made finding the demographic stats easier. Here's Georgia:  Ohio:   Louisiana: 
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TulliusCicero posted:"I mean, school choice will mean more of the ni-"urban" children will be in our suburban school district! We can't have that!" Man I'm not surprised but I still can't believe we're doing this in 2019.
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