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pseudorandom name posted:Hi, unrelated question because I'm rereading the Constitution -- if Congress has "authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress", can Congress require that gun owners spend all their time training in special gun training facilities separated from the public? That doesn't work under the current SCOTUS interpretation of the 2nd amendment.Whether or not we agree with it, what it essentially means right now is "since we clearly need a militia, every able bodied man should be able to own a gun." And yeah, w don't have militias any more unless you are going to count the national guard. But they ruled that it doesn't say IF we need a militia, or WHEN we need a militia, just that is clear we do and the court chose not to read one of those two words into the first part. So, if that first part stops being true, the amendment is not nullified, and the second part always is in effect. Your proposed law would do nothing until we have militias, except maybe it might apply to the national guard.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:11
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Alright, my misunderstanding. I thought I read she was considering giving a vote until she was convinced not to.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:11
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Gatts posted:Alright, my misunderstanding. I thought I read she was considering giving a vote until she was convinced not to. The reporting was that it was being discussed, and after the presser it seems like some other garbage rep like Hoyer was making noise to hold a vote and she shot it down. Watch the loving presser you very obviously didn't before going conspiracy theorist.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:12
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Rigel posted:That doesn't work under the current SCOTUS interpretation of the 2nd amendment.Whether or not we agree with it, what it essentially means right now is "since we clearly need a militia, every able bodied man should be able to own a gun." No, Congress can just create the Gun Owners Militia which all gun owners automatically join upon purchasing their gun, and require that members of the Gun Owners Militia immediately report to the nearest Gun Owners Militia Training Facility on penalty of federal prison. The daily training session in the Gun Owners Militia Training Facility is a looping film strip with a damaged cassette tape that explains how to voluntarily sell your gun to the federal government for $1.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:14
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pseudorandom name posted:No, Congress can just create the Gun Owners Militia which all gun owners automatically join upon purchasing their gun, and require that members of the Gun Owners Militia immediately report to the nearest Gun Owners Militia Training Facility on penalty of federal prison. This made me chuckle.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:17
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Gatts posted:Alright, my misunderstanding. I thought I read she was considering giving a vote until she was convinced not to. I'll help, because this keeps confusing people. There are two potential votes. A ceremonial, meaningless vote that is not legally required to open an impeachment inquiry, and eventually.... the real vote later down the line. Out of three presidential impeachments in history, only two started with a vote to open an inquiry. In this new 4th case, Pelosi and Schiff just declared on their own that they were opening an impeachment inquiry. They can do that, there's nothing that says they can't. The GOP is claiming that an impeachment inquiry vote is legally required and without it, no one has to obey any subpoenas or cooperate in testimony. They are wrong. They are either stupid, lying, or both. Pelosi was tempted to do it anyway because she thinks it might be good politics and a trap to spring on vulnerable republicans who don't want to vote, to force them to go on record as not even wanting to investigate. She backed down because leaders in her caucus said "no don't, this is stupid, we don't need to waste time with a meaningless ceremonial vote". If the Supreme Court hilariously "in a 5-4 decision" 's us, they can quickly gavel this now-suddenly-needed vote through in a hurry.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:20
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evilweasel posted:please explain what you think occurs when the white house sends out a document entitled SUBPOENA because trump finally berated one of his lawyers into compliance Given today's performance, Nancy might try to whip people into obeying, honestly
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Oct 16, 2019 03:22
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pseudorandom name posted:No, Congress can just create the Gun Owners Militia which all gun owners automatically join upon purchasing their gun, and require that members of the Gun Owners Militia immediately report to the nearest Gun Owners Militia Training Facility on penalty of federal prison. That wouldn't even be a 5-4 decision.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:24
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Rigel posted:
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Oct 16, 2019 03:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i thought they were mostly gone. fred died and recanted on his deathbed. most of the kids are gone now and i think the Drane dude leads it now as his personal fiefdom. Grift froth + religious froth? Apparently they have new members? Don't care to look into them here atm...they don't seem worthy. 
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Oct 16, 2019 03:28
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Otteration posted:Grift froth + religious froth? Apparently they have new members? Don't care to look into them here atm...they don't seem worthy. drane and his family joined in the 80s or 90s or something. he was some hippy documentry dude and he either fell head over heels for their bullshit or is playing a long con. probably a mix of both.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:31
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FlamingLiberal posted:That article says 2015 Oops, sorry. New glasses needed. Protest some more anyway.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:32
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Rigel posted:I'll help, because this keeps confusing people. There are two potential votes. A ceremonial, meaningless vote that is not legally required to open an impeachment inquiry, and eventually.... the real vote later down the line. Out of three presidential impeachments in history, only two started with a vote to open an inquiry. In this new 4th case, Pelosi and Schiff just declared on their own that they were opening an impeachment inquiry. They can do that, there's nothing that says they can't. This is a good post. Also worth mentioning, why the Democrats don't move faster or just vote now, because they own the house. 1) these impeachment proceedings are moving INSANSELY fast, Nixon took almost a year. 2) the Democrats are likely trying to uncover rock-solid proof of a crime that will force the Republicans in the Senate to vote to remove.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:36
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There probably is no proof that could force that, but they can make the inevitable vote to acquit as damaging as possible.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:39
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Elviscat posted:2) the Democrats are likely trying to uncover rock-solid proof of a crime that will force the Republicans in the Senate to vote to remove. Its going to have to be insanely solid, to the point where Graham and McConnell are suddenly in trouble for 2020. Realistically, they are trying to make the inevitable acquittal as politically horrendous for the GOP as possible.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:46
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skeleton warrior posted:So, every headline today is about either the disastrous genocide that Trump started through his own cowardice - and where literally only Rand Paul has come out to defend him - or about how government personnel are lining up to testify about how everything in Ukraine was a giant crime syndicate that Giuliani was running for Trump’s personal benefit and his 2020 campaign Yep, not seeing at all how Republicans have legally or politically advanced their goals (even) recently. Those that aver the Senate will "never" vote to remove the orange fecal smear from office forget how long "never" is and how loving awful he might end up being for them when the smear hits their fans.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:53
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Oct 16, 2019 03:53
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Otteration posted:Yep, not seeing at all how Republicans have legally or politically advanced their goals (even) recently. Those that aver the Senate will "never" vote to remove the orange fecal smear from office forget how long "never" is and how loving awful he might end up being for them when the smear hits their fans. If it gets bad enough, I predict that they may make the calculation that getting rid of Trump might be easier for them in the long run than carrying his dead weight into an important election year. Don't know if we're quite at that point yet, but we may well be in a month or two. I don't think this is going to get any better for Trump - or for the GOP.
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Oct 16, 2019 03:55
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Rigel posted:Its going to have to be insanely solid, to the point where Graham and McConnell are suddenly in trouble for 2020. I'm hoping that one of the call recordings the WH is violently trying to cover up has "I'll get you your loving missiles if you investigate Hunter" since that's the line in the sand the Republicans have drawn, or maybe they just find something coincidental. That's the kinda hope that lead my mom to have a novelty Robert Mueller prayer candle on her kitchen island though. I really want to watch him burn for Syria, but it's too well established a power vested in the executive branch for that to get him.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:00
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1184273516075667457 This is the nerdiest political analogy I've ever put forth, gently caress you 2019
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Oct 16, 2019 04:06
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Elviscat posted:I'm hoping that one of the call recordings the WH is violently trying to cover up has "I'll get you your loving missiles if you investigate Hunter" since that's the line in the sand the Republicans have drawn, or maybe they just find something coincidental. That's the kinda hope that lead my mom to have a novelty Robert Mueller prayer candle on her kitchen island though. "It is important that the president is so tough on corruption and tracks it down no matter whose son it is. He is that tough on corruption! Frankly the american citizens should be proud someone is finally tackling wrong doing in DC and draining the swamp!" They can spin anything.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:09
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1337JiveTurkey posted:How does everybody get implicated in the exact same loving crimes!? Alright people, let's do this one last time. My name is
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Oct 16, 2019 04:23
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cr0y posted:"It is important that the president is so tough on corruption and tracks it down no matter whose son it is. He is that tough on corruption! Frankly the american citizens should be proud someone is finally tackling wrong doing in DC and draining the swamp!" while i agree. the senate for the most part has still be quiet and alot of them are pissed as gently caress about the kurds.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:27
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1184273516075667457 quote:However, Trump appeared receptive to the idea, pressing his advisers about Gulen’s status, the people said. loving hell, I bet Enes Kanter’s name is in one or more transcripts too
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Oct 16, 2019 04:28
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ZobarStyl posted:I had originally thought Giuliani's role was just a replacement henchman after Cohen got pinched, but now I see he's basically the fusion dance of all of Flynn's and Cohen's crimes combined. Giuliani is the dog chimera from Full Metal Alchemist, except you're relieved when it dies.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:29
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I'm more mad that they didn't even take the effort to actually try to make them semi-playable Magic cards as well, because those look like an amusing Un-like set.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:31
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Young Freud posted:Giuliani is the dog chimera from Full Metal Alchemist, except you're relieved when it dies. Nah, Rudy is Shou Tucker. He makes the crime chimeras, and they keep getting worse because he just can't loving stop himself. Also he winds up stapled to a gorilla's rear end.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:31
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Otteration posted:Yep, not seeing at all how Republicans have legally or politically advanced their goals (even) recently. Those that aver the Senate will "never" vote to remove the orange fecal smear from office forget how long "never" is and how loving awful he might end up being for them when the smear hits their fans. F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:If it gets bad enough, I predict that they may make the calculation that getting rid of Trump might be easier for them in the long run than carrying his dead weight into an important election year. Don't know if we're quite at that point yet, but we may well be in a month or two. I don't think this is going to get any better for Trump - or for the GOP. Yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that as the case builds and gets reported upon with new testimony, his support continues to deteriorate because it's a constant build and escalation rather than the slow cycle of new reporting -> new outrage -> lots of discussion -> slow return to the standard polling lines as people shrug. Trump's polling dived into the shitter following the Access Hollywood tape release, but then moved back to its normal 40% after a week and GOPers managed to rationalize themselves into "well, he's a shitbag, but he's our side's shitbag" and most of the Mueller investigation fell into that pattern as well. This feels like it might be building, but it's felt like that before.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:35
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:If it gets bad enough, I predict that they may make the calculation that getting rid of Trump might be easier for them in the long run than carrying his dead weight into an important election year. Don't know if we're quite at that point yet, but we may well be in a month or two. I don't think this is going to get any better for Trump - or for the GOP. Given that none of us last week or month had one clue about where are right now, "predictions" might be unfortunate. Trends might be a thing though. Just a nuance, is all.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:39
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skeleton warrior posted:Yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that as the case builds and gets reported upon with new testimony, his support continues to deteriorate because it's a constant build and escalation rather than the slow cycle of new reporting -> new outrage -> lots of discussion -> slow return to the standard polling lines as people shrug. both of those had various other factors. comey dumb poo poo came out like a week later and that sunk that and the Russia report while damning didn't have enough fire and was way to drawn out and complex to attract attention. anyway outside being pretty sure poo poo will only get worse for trump. i have no idea what will happen now.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:40
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skeleton warrior posted:Yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that as the case builds and gets reported upon with new testimony, his support continues to deteriorate because it's a constant build and escalation rather than the slow cycle of new reporting -> new outrage -> lots of discussion -> slow return to the standard polling lines as people shrug. Yep. Can extremely not see what trump could loving possibly do to improve his lot politically at this time. Anyone? Edited for emphasis. Otteration fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Oct 16, 2019 04:42
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Otteration posted:Yep. I mean since literally the day he was elected Trump has never had to improve his lot politically. Nothing he says or do will eliminate his base. He wins unless people actively get out to vote and loses if they do. Nothing will change that and the only real deciding factor is if people convince themselves not to vote for Warren/Biden/Sanders/Obama's Head On Clinton's Body. The major reason to impeach Trump is because he is doing irreparable damage every day he's president and that has been getting significantly worse over the past three weeks, to the point where waiting another year could be a genuine disaster especially if the scandals continue and Trump starts lashing out more.
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Oct 16, 2019 04:46
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Electric Bugaloo posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1184119627225452544 School lunch debt is a phrase that could only exist under capitalism. Let’s create a new financial instrument called baby bottle debt ensuring that all babies have the food they need to survive - and learn a hard lesson about fiscal responsibility in the process!
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Oct 16, 2019 04:47
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ImpAtom posted:I mean since literally the day he was elected Trump has never had to improve his lot politically. Nothing he says or do will eliminate his base. He wins unless people actively get out to vote and loses if they do. Nothing will change that and the only real deciding factor is if people convince themselves not to vote for Warren/Biden/Sanders/Obama's Head On Clinton's Body. Not sure his base will help him much anymore, given that, as you point out, "The major reason to impeach Trump is because he is doing irreparable damage every day he's president and that has been getting significantly worse over the past three weeks, to the point where waiting another year could be a genuine disaster especially if the scandals continue and Trump starts lashing out more." I'd like to hear that the poo poo smear's base is coming around to our side, but then again, why do they matter? (Short term, anyway, for trumps sake.)
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Oops, predicting a new page tax before I sleep: (This is my current happy face, btw.) From the imgur thread, "Homeless grumpy cat is found during a house inspection and gets Adopted. Hates every moment of it." Thread w/more grumpy taxes: https://imgur.com/gallery/Hc94w Otteration fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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I feel like it's worth pointing out that Congress could pass a new article of impeachment basically every week until November 2020 and not run out of material. Not sure if that'd just confuse and therefore anger the electorate, but, like, there just that much fuckin' crime and AFAIK nothing in the constitution says they only get one shot.Otteration posted:Are you happy now, Trump supporters? Wait, this is in their Op-Ed section but it's not bad. Help! I'm doubting thread doctrine 
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DeeplyConcerned posted:School lunch debt is a phrase that could only exist under capitalism. Let’s create a new financial instrument called baby bottle debt ensuring that all babies have the food they need to survive - and learn a hard lesson about fiscal responsibility in the process! see, i am more flummoxed that it was nine hundred loving dollars and who the gently caress cares state government, just take that on the chin what the gently caress
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Given today's performance, Nancy might try to whip people into obeying, honestly You are saying extremely stupid things FYI theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Munkeymon posted:I feel like it's worth pointing out that Congress could pass a new article of impeachment basically every week until November 2020 and not run out of material. Not sure if that'd just confuse and therefore anger the electorate, but, like, there just that much fuckin' crime and AFAIK nothing in the constitution says they only get one shot. Yep, said it before, but Congress legally could have (and should have) impeached it for its spray tan from day one. Munkeymon posted:Wait, this is in their Op-Ed section but it's not bad. Help! I'm doubting thread doctrine Pick and choose, choose and pick. Thus goes
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