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RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
It's the Dollop, that's about the best I could ask for.

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stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
I had no idea Nancy was such a oval office.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

stealie72 posted:

I had no idea Nancy was such a oval office.

dave is downplaying the astrologer in this


like they ran everything by her

I only suspect it's because Reagan's second term chief of staff found out about the arrangement and flipped out and spilled the beans post Iran-contra and narratively hes seeding it so he can break poor Gary's mind later

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 16, 2019

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib
The thing that blows my mind (and to an extent it's been the same as the Ragnar Redbeard Behind the Bastards episodes). I've stayed more or less ideologicaly the same my whole life. But when people make these hard turns like Ronnie did it seems so weird to me.

Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





SalTheBard posted:

The thing that blows my mind (and to an extent it's been the same as the Ragnar Redbeard Behind the Bastards episodes). I've stayed more or less ideologicaly the same my whole life. But when people make these hard turns like Ronnie did it seems so weird to me.

He became rich and so all his politics and beliefs went out the window in exchange for a tax cut.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


SalTheBard posted:

The thing that blows my mind (and to an extent it's been the same as the Ragnar Redbeard Behind the Bastards episodes). I've stayed more or less ideologicaly the same my whole life. But when people make these hard turns like Ronnie did it seems so weird to me.

i made a pretty significant turn in my 20s. i can't understand making the bad turn though since it requires you to buy into all sorts of things that aren't just morally wrong but empirically wrong.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

Groovelord Neato posted:

i made a pretty significant turn in my 20s. i can't understand making the bad turn though since it requires you to buy into all sorts of things that aren't just morally wrong but empirically wrong.

:capitalism:

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

DrManiac posted:

So Reagan is literally just Trump brain worms included.

Reagan definitely had dementia by the time he ended his second term, but was still a bit more lucid in the first if I recall

theres an untold thing in the story so far where during the Hinckley assassination attempt, the Reagans were not following Joan Quigley (the Astrologer) for setting that day's schedule, and when Nancy went back to her afterwards, the Quigley told Nancy if she followed her schedule than it wouldn't have happened

so for the next 5 or 6 years Quigley basically Rasputined her way into influencing government, and set most of the operational schedule for the White House and gave policy advice

like they would always set weirdass times for briefings and the press thought it was Reagan antagonizing them but it was because of what Quigley divined


It's really loving insane how much power they gave to a San Francisco socialite

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

DrManiac posted:

So Reagan is literally just Trump brain worms included.

most of Dollop episodes confirm that everything and everyone have been dumb forever the difference is dumbest people have direct line to our brains now and we have direct line to theirs

Biggest laugh of the episode is Alexander Haig IMMEDIATELY jumping in for the coup after Reagan got shot

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


1/7/1986

President Reagan begins his 33rd press conference by calling the Vienna airport "Vietnam International", calls 11 year old terrorist victim Natasha Simpson "Marsha Simpson", and says Qaddafi is "not only a barbarian but he's flaky"

1/15/1986

President Reagan is asked if he intends to see Halley's Comet. "If it's a choice between sleeping or seeing it," he replies, "I'll wait and see it on television."

4/9/1986

President Reagan says he rarely quotes William F. Buckley, Jr., "Because he uses too big of words."

10/22/1986

"I was in such a hurry, I wrote my last name first," President Reagan after signing his tax reform bill 'Reagan Ronald'.

11/26/1985

President Reagan tells reporters that his 688 acre ranch - to which the rambunctious Lucky is being exiled - is "dog heaven". When reporters attempt to shift the topic to an upcoming tax bill, the President says, "I'm concentrating on dog heaven."

12/9/1986

Reporters ask President Reagan if he's watching the White House Foreign Affairs Committee hearings. "Oh, now and then when I can't find a ball game," he quips, leaving them to wonder what kind of ball game he expects to find early on a weekday morning in mid-December.

2/12/1987

President Reagan tells a group of junior high students about how Rex barks in front of Lincoln's bedroom and won't go in, which makes the President think Lincoln's ghost is in there. "Well," he says, "I guess that's enough of a history lesson here for today."

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 16, 2019

EdwardSwifferhands
Apr 27, 2008

I will probably lick whatever you put in front of me.
For most of those he could have either been insane or a comedy genius.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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I am actually surprised by how loving evil Nancy was. I was unaware of how hollow the space where her soul was supposed to be is. Also she was a loving moron but I guess that goes hand in hand.

edit: let's just get this out of the way with the theme song for this series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU

I'm fuckin' glad Reagan's dead.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
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Toilet Rascal

SalTheBard posted:

The thing that blows my mind (and to an extent it's been the same as the Ragnar Redbeard Behind the Bastards episodes). I've stayed more or less ideologicaly the same my whole life. But when people make these hard turns like Ronnie did it seems so weird to me.

One interesting thing I've found is that Reagan's kids from Jane Wyman were irremediable pieces of poo poo like him. Michael became a conservative radio host and columnist and argued that churches weren't fighting hard enough against same sex marriage as well as support racial profiling. Maureen became cochair of the RNC and often did stump speeches for segregationalist gubernatorial candidates.

On the flip side, the kids from Nancy, Ron Jr. and Patti want nothing to do with him. Ron became a progressive talk show host who's supported Bernie, and Patti remained mostly apolitical, but changed her last name to avoid having the Reagan name tied to her.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


SalTheBard posted:

The thing that blows my mind (and to an extent it's been the same as the Ragnar Redbeard Behind the Bastards episodes). I've stayed more or less ideologicaly the same my whole life. But when people make these hard turns like Ronnie did it seems so weird to me.

I made a pretty hard turn, but it was from being raised Republican to socialist so I don't think it's too weird, I just got out of my dad's influence and learned how the world actually works. The hard right turn is a mystery to me too.

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Grand Fromage posted:

I made a pretty hard turn, but it was from being raised Republican to socialist so I don't think it's too weird, I just got out of my dad's influence and learned how the world actually works. The hard right turn is a mystery to me too.

Maybe it's because I consider myself pretty far left but I've never understood people who either go from left to right or apolitical to hard right. When I was in the military my best friend Dan was totally apolitical. He knew that W was president, but probably couldn't tell you much else. Then in 2008 he started getting interested in politics, got sucked into the tea party and became a hard core Libertarian. If anything, while in the military I went from center left to hard left because one of my close friends was a big lefty and I didn't really have anyone else to talk politics too because everyone else was what we would now call a chud or apolitical.

But in my own experience I have seen how powerful talk radio can be because I listened to Air America Radio (Al Frankens liberal talk radio channel) and if anything it pushed me farther left than I already was.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

SalTheBard posted:

The thing that blows my mind (and to an extent it's been the same as the Ragnar Redbeard Behind the Bastards episodes). I've stayed more or less ideologicaly the same my whole life. But when people make these hard turns like Ronnie did it seems so weird to me.

i mean i used to be a conservative in my early teens and than i changed for various reasons and now i am a weird left thing. with ragnar, he was always a violent rear end in a top hat who jerked off to Robert E. Howard primtivism type bullshit. he just leaned left. eventually he got pissed because the left didn't burn the world down and he went full facist out of bitter rage.

i havent listned to the episode yet but reagan was always an opportunist, look at the behind the bastards episode on the aids crisis for proof.


Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

I am actually surprised by how loving evil Nancy was. I was unaware of how hollow the space where her soul was supposed to be is. Also she was a loving moron but I guess that goes hand in hand.

edit: let's just get this out of the way with the theme song for this series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU

I'm fuckin' glad Reagan's dead.

honestly, i am glad his mind melted and he was trapped for decade before dying. so he did suffer at least.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I always laugh remembering the time the White House's shredder got jamme dduring the Reagan presidency.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

seiferguy posted:

One interesting thing I've found is that Reagan's kids from Jane Wyman were irremediable pieces of poo poo like him. Michael became a conservative radio host and columnist and argued that churches weren't fighting hard enough against same sex marriage as well as support racial profiling. Maureen became cochair of the RNC and often did stump speeches for segregationalist gubernatorial candidates.

On the flip side, the kids from Nancy, Ron Jr. and Patti want nothing to do with him. Ron became a progressive talk show host who's supported Bernie, and Patti remained mostly apolitical, but changed her last name to avoid having the Reagan name tied to her.

Michael was adopted and Ronald was not a good parent to Michael ever.


Michael graduated from boarding school in the 60s and Reagan gave a speech at the commencement and then went to speak to congratulate to all the graduates individually. As he went down the line, this exchange happened


quote:

“My name is Ronald Reagan. What’s yours?” The boy said, “I’m your son, Mike.” “Oh,” said Reagan. “I didn’t recognize you.”

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:

Michael was adopted and Ronald was not a good parent to Michael ever.


Michael graduated from boarding school in the 60s and Reagan gave a speech at the commencement and then went to speak to congratulate to all the graduates individually. As he went down the line, this exchange happened

Which makes it all the more jarring that Michael goes to bat for his dad being lovely when Ron just owns the fact that his dad was a monster.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



It’s kind of how Don Jr constantly wants his dad’s attention but Trump could give two shits about him

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:

Michael was adopted and Ronald was not a good parent to Michael ever.


Michael graduated from boarding school in the 60s and Reagan gave a speech at the commencement and then went to speak to congratulate to all the graduates individually. As he went down the line, this exchange happened

That's like an arrested development joke. That's incredible

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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terrorist ambulance posted:

That's like an arrested development joke. That's incredible

lol have you seen reality lately? and not so lately?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
listening to it. gently caress reagan. it makes me happy a scene like this exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aatywZ4EMxc&t=13s

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
I know a lot of awful poo poo about who Reagan was and what he did, and I'm not especially glad to say I still learned a bunch of new things to be disgusted at him for.

American voters certainly love a rapist.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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I could've sworn that if an accused witch didn't float they'd be pulled back to shore, the drowning thing was just a myth.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
I'd heard the drowning thing happened on similar logic to the stories of the old Christian Samaritan cultists who intentionally tried to get martyred to guarantee their way to heaven. Drowning didn't seem like a big deal, because if they were drowned proving their innocence and purity it was a golden ticket to heaven. But it could definitely be a thing of legends getting written down as fact.

Flip Yr Wig
Feb 21, 2007

Oh please do go on
Fun Shoe
I already knew most of these Reagan stories, and certainly all the major ones, but hearing them all in a row really drives home that none of this is new. If anything has changed, it's that the American public now largely reacts with horror when we see a white nationalist celebrity with dementia occupy the White House. It would almost be cause for optimism if I didn't know that the GOP is planning on doing a soft coup if Trump loses.

Anyway, can anybody find the source for that bizarre story about Larry Speakes turning off the press room's lights?

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/16/us/the-image-as-message-the-massage-as-image.html


I saw other articles too on wapo lol

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Flip Yr Wig posted:

I already knew most of these Reagan stories, and certainly all the major ones, but hearing them all in a row really drives home that none of this is new. If anything has changed, it's that the American public now largely reacts with horror when we see a white nationalist celebrity with dementia occupy the White House. It would almost be cause for optimism if I didn't know that the GOP is planning on doing a soft coup if Trump loses.

Anyway, can anybody find the source for that bizarre story about Larry Speakes turning off the press room's lights?

Behind the Bastards did a 2 parter (Episodes 25 and 26) on Reagan so some of it was a rehash, but primarily Robert focused on his response to the AIDS crisis. He didn't mention any of the other crazy stuff about when Ronnie was governor. I was blown away by the Dollop and how much of a parallel there is to Trumps presidency. I'm surprised that Dave didn't mention that Trump is using Reagan's desk.

Flip Yr Wig
Feb 21, 2007

Oh please do go on
Fun Shoe

Thanks. What a loving shitshow. Trying to rank the awfulness of the last several Republican president's is truly a pointless exercise.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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I just realized Trump loves to do press conferences in front of a running helicopter and apparently Reagan did it too to use as an excuse to say he couldn't hear people?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Flip Yr Wig posted:

I already knew most of these Reagan stories, and certainly all the major ones, but hearing them all in a row really drives home that none of this is new. If anything has changed, it's that the American public now largely reacts with horror when we see a white nationalist celebrity with dementia occupy the White House. It would almost be cause for optimism if I didn't know that the GOP is planning on doing a soft coup if Trump loses.

Anyway, can anybody find the source for that bizarre story about Larry Speakes turning off the press room's lights?

The two surprises for me were the rape allegations and the fact that he was formerly left wing

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

SalTheBard posted:

I'm surprised that Dave didn't mention that Trump is using Reagan's desk.

just about everybody since JFK has used that desk in the Oval Office

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:

just about everybody since JFK has used that desk in the Oval Office

Oh. I thought Trump used that desk specifically because it was Reagan's

SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Oct 22, 2019

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

SalTheBard posted:

Oh. I thought Trump used that desk surgically because it was Reagan's

I hope Trump isnt actually practicing surgery in his office

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

SalTheBard posted:

Oh. I thought Trump used that desk surgically because it was Reagan's

nah, the Kennedys had it refinished and made it the desk in the Oval Office which kind of associated it in the minds of everyone

when JFK died, LBJ let it go as part of the Kennedy library exhibitions and also because the desk was too small for him and needed a custom desk

Carter brought it back to the Oval Office (Nixon wanted a desk he had used as Veep), Reagan used it, then Clinton, Dubya, and Obama all used it before Trump

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

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That might be the most specific presidential Trivia I’ve ever heard

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
I haven't listened to the presidency part yet. Does the episode mention Reagan signing a bill to defund Braille copies of Playboy?

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Goast posted:

I hope Trump isnt actually practicing surgery in his office

Awrfghh SPECIFICALLY

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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Veskit posted:

That might be the most specific presidential Trivia I’ve ever heard

it's a cool desk also signifies that the us is wanting war because for had its inscribe with the eagle facing the arrows on the us seal instead of the olive branches so really it's the illuminati slowly exerting controls over the US as they attempt to establish a new world order as we give up our heritage to the un in exchange for brass plaques to show how gutless we are while there are bases staffed making human animal chimera hybrids that look at you with sad fish eyes wondering what is going on while the raptor outside in the underground military base eats a chocolate bar...*gets tranqued*

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