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When this happened yesterday (or was it Tuesday lol time dilation) and I posted it in a slack channel an American replied with "so are the Tories using the GOP tactic of announcing a deal to make the other side feel too ashamed to not agree to it?" To which I realised this must be what they're trying to do, but because the DUP, unlike the GOP, have spines, it doesn't work.
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The UUP switching to remain is significant imo. A lot of farmers and small business people here who have been voting DUP for decades now are utterly pissed off at them because they really wanted May's backstop - it would have been a very good thing for them. The UUP has been toeing the DUP's line on nearly everything since the very early 2000s to try to win back the voters they lost to them at that time and today is the first real departure from that. It's also indicative of how terrified people here are of what could potentially happen. If the referendum was re-run I am pretty sure the leave vote would be lucky to get 20% in NI. crispix fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Jose posted:that definitely suggests corbyn is backing a referendum on it a referendum on this specific deal?
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quote:Barnier confirms DUP has lost its veto over whether new Northern Ireland arrangements come into force  And here's a PDF of the agreement. (My puny dumb brain cannot make sense of most of the legal stuff) Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Tesseraction posted:When this happened yesterday (or was it Tuesday lol time dilation) and I posted it in a slack channel an American replied with "so are the Tories using the GOP tactic of announcing a deal to make the other side feel too ashamed to not agree to it?" It's not that they have spines they just lack any shame whatsoever.
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Lol so if this deal goes through how long until they attach engines to the City of London and move it into Belfast
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Pochoclo posted:Lol so if this deal goes through how long until they attach engines to the City of London and move it into Belfast Well, this is a weird spin-off of Mortal Engines!
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crispix posted:It's not that they have spines they just lack any shame whatsoever. In Britain that counts as a spine so either join your southern cousins or get on our level. 
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Pochoclo posted:Lol so if this deal goes through how long until they attach engines to the City of London and move it into Belfast staff toilets have been relocated from London to Belfast so we count as being in Northern Ireland for tax purposes
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The Deleter posted:Well, this is a weird spin-off of Mortal Engines!
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Did you finally Brexit? Is it over?
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Noxville posted:https://twitter.com/dawnhfoster/status/1184771535229378562?s=21 The ordering is a little different. They'll seek to amend the bill and then vote against it - they're trying to cushion any potential defeat.
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Oct 17, 2019 11:26
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Over? It's only just begun.
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Guavanaut posted:Mhoireil Engines? I googled Mhoireil and got a bunch of Homestuck stuff, so either the internet is hosed up or something very bad has happened in Ireland recently.
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Guavanaut posted:
Nope - a large public sector organisation.
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Guavanaut posted:Over? It's only just begun. It is amazing how few people understand this. It makes me wonder if a talented politician could have just renamed the UK's membership status in the EU something like "Sovereign Member State" and maybe brought back imperial measures and metal dustbins and sent every household a little flag to wave and that could have been that. crispix fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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The Deleter posted:I googled Mhoireil and got a bunch of Homestuck stuff, so either the internet is hosed up or something very bad has happened in Ireland recently.
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I am loving terrified that even if we did have a confirmatory referendum on whatever lovely deal Johnson managed to scrape out of the EU's backside, people would just vote on enacting it just to get the whole thing over and done with. I have lost track of how many people who are otherwise remain supporting say that they just want the whole thing over and done with so they can stop hearing about it. My confidence in the general public to vote in a considered and informed way is at an all time low.
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FiftySeven posted:I am loving terrified that even if we did have a confirmatory referendum on whatever lovely deal Johnson managed to scrape out of the EU's backside, people would just vote on enacting it just to get the whole thing over and done with. I have lost track of how many people who are otherwise remain supporting say that they just want the whole thing over and done with so they can stop hearing about it. My confidence in the general public to vote in a considered and informed way is at an all time low. I think if you hammer home the fact that this is only the beginning of the negotiation process and present remain as the "gently caress this for a game of soldiers" option it might be simple enough for the hard of thinking to understand. I know what you mean though. These last 5 years have been a wild ride.
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I know it's slightly off topic but I've been dying for like 15 minutes that Trump thinks the leader of Italy is "President Mozzarella" https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299
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Eschenique posted:Did you finally Brexit? Is it over? Guavanaut posted:Over? It's only just begun. Exactly. Brexit is Eternal. This is just the withdrawal agreement.  Not even mentioning that, as someone rightly commented earlier, any kind of deal is never going to be acceptable for the Brexit true believers, because what they want literally cannot exist, and is just an excuse to push harder and harder for open facism. And at the opposite end, it'll be the ultra FBPEs who'll continually clamour to revoke leaving the EU, or endlessly trying to rejoin it, pretending that 2016 never happened and never seeking to solve the underlying causes of what made the vote happen.
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Pesky Splinter posted:
I was originally tempted to read this for myself, but 64 pages of legal language is too much of a commitment for a deal that sounds doomed regardless.
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Snipee posted:I was originally tempted to read this for myself, but 64 pages of legal language is too much of a commitment for a deal that sounds doomed regardless. The summary is that Northern Ireland has less control over what happens going forward, and can only choose to keep things going once every four years. Naturally, the DUP aren't pleased.
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I knew I should have invested in balaclavas and those green army jumpers when I had the chance
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Tesseraction posted:I know it's slightly off topic but I've been dying for like 15 minutes that Trump thinks the leader of Italy is "President Mozzarella" https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299 loving hell
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Guavanaut posted:Google is weird. I googled it and got nothing but references to Baile Mhoireil (Balmoral). Maybe it thinks you're a [whatever weird name homestuck fans call themselves]. I've not thought about Homestuck in months, which is probably the right state of mind to be in at this point in Internet Culture. I did eventually get Balmoral though. Tesseraction posted:I know it's slightly off topic but I've been dying for like 15 minutes that Trump thinks the leader of Italy is "President Mozzarella" https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299 This is loving incredible.
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FiftySeven posted:I am loving terrified that even if we did have a confirmatory referendum on whatever lovely deal Johnson managed to scrape out of the EU's backside, people would just vote on enacting it just to get the whole thing over and done with. I have lost track of how many people who are otherwise remain supporting say that they just want the whole thing over and done with so they can stop hearing about it. My confidence in the general public to vote in a considered and informed way is at an all time low. don't worry we'll have a referendum on a closed question about this specific deal. it'll be defeated by a super coalition of remainers and 'no deal is better than any deal' psychos and boris or whoever will say this is just evidence that the coward's surrender deal was bad and we need to try again, the whole thing will rumble on forever. we'll all drown or boil before this thing has a meaningful conclusion.
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i think politicians wildly underestimate the "vote for it to be over" vote
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Trump is a sensible, highly intelligent leader. Truly a man of the 21st century.
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Eschenique posted:Did you finally Brexit? Is it over? HAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 
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this has tipped me into full tinfoil that XR is an op, come the gently caress on!
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Rustybear posted:this has tipped me into full tinfoil that XR is an op, come the gently caress on! Look, if everyone is in jail then there's less cars on the road so the planet is saved.
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Tesseraction posted:The summary is that Northern Ireland has less control over what happens going forward, and can only choose to keep things going once every four years. Naturally, the DUP aren't pleased. Thanks. And lol what a brilliant negotiation.
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Rustybear posted:this has tipped me into full tinfoil that XR is an op, come the gently caress on! "Officer! I drew in chalk on the pavement! Please arrest me quick because it's starting to rain."
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https://twitter.com/syalrajeev/status/1184781700288696321 *geoffrey cox frantically arranging his turd polishing cloths* Snipee posted:Thanks. And lol what a brilliant negotiation. lol apparently it's potentially *eight years* quote:Q: What happens if the Northern Ireland assembly wants to stop accepting EU rules? And what is the solution on VAT?
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Tesseraction posted:Look, if everyone is in jail then there's less cars on the road so the planet is saved. if it's not a fully intentional op from the get-go (it is) then the only way i can explain it is that these ppl really genuinely wholeheartedly believe that if nice middle class white ppl want change capital will have to respond. lol suckers, you're just as expendable as the rest of us.
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Tesseraction posted:I know it's slightly off topic but I've been dying for like 15 minutes that Trump thinks the leader of Italy is "President Mozzarella" https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299 Fuckin'  crispix posted:I think if you hammer home the fact that this is only the beginning of the negotiation process and present remain as the "gently caress this for a game of soldiers" option it might be simple enough for the hard of thinking to understand. I know what you mean though. These last 5 years have been a wild ride. The lack of general political engagement outside of Big Events (tm) really hit home when May resigned, and I had my workmates of various ages coming up to me (I'm "the bright political one" at work  ) and asking if that meant Corbyn was now PM, if Labour was in power now, when do we vote for the PM, etc, etc, not to mention taking all the papers at face vaule.loving hell if that's real
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Hey UKMT what do I do in this situation. I live next to a newsagents and know the couple that run it really well. Lately, they've had a gang of kids (maybe 10-12 years old) coming in, racially abusing them, throwing stuff around the shop, throwing eggs at the windows at night and openly stealing stuff. The couple are really scared and have called the police, but they turn up hours after the incident, stay there for a few minutes and obviously don't give a poo poo. I've given the newsagents my number and we've arranged with the other neighbours and other local shops that if it happens again we'll come round and help, but I dunno what we can reasonably do about it other than yell at the kids. Any ideas?
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Tesseraction posted:I know it's slightly off topic but I've been dying for like 15 minutes that Trump thinks the leader of Italy is "President Mozzarella" https://twitter.com/DKeetz/status/1184597223465783299 It's kind of weird how people keep changing the colour of the faces of people they dislike. Trump isn't that orange.
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