|
DrSunshine posted:What wondrous sort of games shall we expect under glorious future communism, though? Supposedly the Soviets had an arcade cabinet based on that Afghan game where you ride around on horseback tossing around a headless goat corpse, presumably more stuff like that.
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 09:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 12, 2024 22:10 |
|
|
Don Gato posted:Supposedly the Soviets had an arcade cabinet based on that Afghan game where you ride around on horseback tossing around a headless goat corpse, presumably more stuff like that. Excuse me, there's an arcade style Buzkashi game? I'm trying to google it but I can't find poo poo, and I would really like to see that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 09:24
|
|
|
Serious note: Soviet gaming existed. By that time Soviets decided to stop making their own PCs and just copied IBM. Same happened with videogames. Like the most popular handheld game was a copy of this thing: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/45/36/624536f08e2f7e909fcd672ced7bbedb.jpg with a wolf from a Soviet cartoon but even the egg theme was still there. PC game copies were more like localized pirated games made by an enthusiast. So I'd say communist videogame market wouldn't look that different from modern mobile games made by all those cheap development companies.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 09:46
|
|
|
Why has no-one said Tetris yet?
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 10:28
|
|
|
Well yeah, there's also Samizdat.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 10:36
|
|
|
Splicer posted:Why has no-one said Tetris yet? 
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 11:47
|
|
|
MAME actually emulates a number of old Soviet and East German arcade games if anyone ever wants to actually try one. Overall, they're bizarre at best and completely unplayable at worst so I wouldn't really recommend it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 12:56
|
|
|
VIsit Moscow or St. Petersburg and see for yourself. http://15kop.ru/en/
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 13:31
|
|
|
ilitarst posted:Serious note: Soviet gaming existed. Soviet hardware still lagged behind the standard of the west, and didn't really proliferate throughout consumers very well. They also decided to one-up the west when there was a scare against violent videogames by outlawing all violence in videogames. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7xndvitLa8 Overall, I feel like in a command economy, luxury goods like entertainment would always lag behind in funding, and development of new things or genres will have a harder uphill battle to justify themselves to the central authority rather than being able to find a niche market.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 15:28
|
|
|
I know about USSR hardware cause I was taught by a guy who developed it and I did some lab work with it. This video is about East Germany and be mindful about it being the most progressive country in the Soviet Block. It depends with luxury in a command economy. When USSR wanted to compete with the West they spared no resources on movies, sport, circus, and ballet. I imagine that if they decided that video games are serious business they'd do some big budget production; but it might be as likely they'd consider it kids stuff.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 16:30
|
|
|
I'd always heard that the olds in charge of the ussr were kind of dismissive of electronic computers and kept them as a middling priority until the late 70s
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 16:33
|
|
|
PinheadSlim posted:Excuse me, there's an arcade style Buzkashi game? I'm trying to google it but I can't find poo poo, and I would really like to see that. I looked into it and turns out I fell for a hoax, there's an article written by the guy who made it. I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit disappointed now.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 16:39
|
|
|
I hope the AIDS-Waters of capitalism (I call it crapitalism) hold off on the shores of paradox for as long as possible. I like these games and no other company fills this niche.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 17:18
|
|
|
Agean90 posted:I'd always heard that the olds in charge of the ussr were kind of dismissive of electronic computers and kept them as a middling priority until the late 70s The Soviets actually thought that computers would be the salvation of the command economy; the problem was that they were always a decade behind the curve in implementation and also, as this video (which is a fascinating watch if you're into Soviet history and have 45 minutes to kill) and Victoria 2 both adequately demonstrate, a functioning economy is beyond the ability of a computer program to control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gwyHNo7MI
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 17:38
|
|
|
Fascinating. they must have been pissed when Chile got overthrown considering Allende was gonna introduce a partial command economy that was computerized from the get go
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 17:44
|
|
|
I think the Soviets would like the Victoria: Revolutions model since capitalism always falls behind when your capitalist POPs decide to spend their money buying multiple airplanes every day instead of building factories.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 17:46
|
|
|
Lum_ posted:The Soviets actually thought that computers would be the salvation of the command economy; the problem was that they were always a decade behind the curve in implementation and also, as this video (which is a fascinating watch if you're into Soviet history and have 45 minutes to kill) and Victoria 2 both adequately demonstrate, a functioning economy is beyond the ability of a computer program to control. the soviet approach to computing can be seen as exactly the same kind of wrong-headed belief in the power of the algorithm that was iconic of 2008-2016 in business and politics in the US and is still kicking around among the social media giants the irony of course is that walmart and amazon have demonstrated that computers were perfect for the most serious problem facing the soviet economy - distribution - although the tech of the time certainly wasn't up to it regardless.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 17:50
|
|
|
We're going weird places with this thread but the problem with distribution in Soviet union was never computational, it was ideological. My favorite trivia is that some of the train routes were called "sausage trains". People from small towns and villages got onto it in special times to get to capitals or big cities. They knew that at the end of fiscal month shops will drop on the counter sausages they wanted to sell under the counter but couldn't find a buyer. It was a mass movement, something everyone knew about. Imagine that, the system moved better goods into cities to make it look more prosperous. It had to be sold for the state sanctioned low price and so shop owners didn't want to sell it at all. And the vast resources were spent on allowing people visit cities to buy stuff. No CPU can do anything with a system like that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:13
|
|
|
ilitarist posted:It depends with luxury in a command economy. When USSR wanted to compete with the West they spared no resources on movies, sport, circus, and ballet. I imagine that if they decided that video games are serious business they'd do some big budget production; but it might be as likely they'd consider it kids stuff. "When they wanted to" is kinda the key phrase there, since centralized bureaucracy will always be slower to acknowledge the prominence and importance of some dumb new thing, even before you get into ideological hangups or institutional inertia. Without the west providing an example and competition, I'm not sure how far they'd go. I feel like that's extra salient for this thread, since Paradox's games are incredibly weird and niche to outsiders. And if you look at it from the other angle, it may be easier to let a free market do its weird dumb thing and then regulate it after the fact to curtail bad things. Hopefully those countries looking at regulating lootboxes will start pushing back against some of the worst mobile games.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:20
|
|
|
Paradox confirmed going further into free-to-play: https://twitter.com/CrusaderKings/status/1184878409178066945
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:30
|
|
|
Anyway, topical news! Paradox Sale has reached Steam and Crusader Kings 2 is now free. But it doesn't say "free till Monday" or anything, just free. Do you think it's forever f2p? Edit: yes, it's free forever. ilitarist fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Oct 17, 2019 |
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:30
|
|
|
At some point when a game is really just a foundation for DLC sales it's just good business sense to make it free. They ain't giving it away because they expect everyone to just play the base game forever.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:33
|
|
|
It also significantly lowers the chance of them rolling old essential expansions into the base game, like Legacy of Rome for retunies. Still it's good and somewhat more honest. I think the famous paywall of DLC that new player sees is much more approachable once you play the base game a little.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:38
|
|
|
I hope they've got a whole load of things to announce and they decided to order the announcements from worst to best
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:42
|
|
|
I guess thats almost confirms CK3 is coming?
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:43
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:I guess thats almost confirms CK3 is coming? I'm putting my money down on this.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 18:53
|
|
|
CK3 but only with a handful of starting counts and dates playable with others being unlocked via lootbox gambling.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 19:35
|
|
|
Rynoto posted:CK3 but only with a handful of starting counts and dates playable with others being unlocked via lootbox gambling. CK3 Mobile exclusive to Epic Games confirmed poggers.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 19:45
|
|
|
Poil posted:Because it's unbelievably boring. Tetris is a perfect video game, sorry about your offensively awful taste.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 19:56
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:I guess thats almost confirms CK3 is coming? Hopefully it takes less then a year and less then two DLCs to get good after its released.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 20:05
|
|
|
Rynoto posted:CK3 but only with a handful of starting counts and dates playable with others being unlocked via lootbox gambling. "Tired of only getting Comet events? Buy a Fun Pack and get a random random event added to your game. Afraid of duplicates? Don't be, any duplicates merely increase the chance of the event occurring so you can have more fun, sooner!"
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 21:15
|
|
|
Rynoto posted:CK3 but only with a handful of starting counts and dates playable with others being unlocked via lootbox gambling. CK3 but only with a handful of starting cousins to date.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2019 21:27
|
|
|
SlothfulCobra posted:Overall, I feel like in a command economy, luxury goods like entertainment would always lag behind in funding, and development of new things or genres will have a harder uphill battle to justify themselves to the central authority rather than being able to find a niche market. Good. The revolution cannot triumph without the deliberate execution of Gamers.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 07:57
|
|
|
ck2 has gone free enough times that it probably doesn't mean a drat thing tbh. also, geez, it's seven years old
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 13:20
|
|
|
Poor Vicky, gonna go through one entire generation of the other Paradox franchise games before it finally gets some love.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 13:24
|
|
|
I'm going to die of disappoint if they don't announce Vicky 3 tomorrow.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 14:05
|
|
|
cheesetriangles posted:I'm going to die of disappoint if they don't announce Vicky 3 tomorrow. Can we make this the permanent thread title?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 17:00
|
|
|
cheesetriangles posted:I'm going to die of disappoint if they don't announce Vicky 3 tomorrow. Didn't they explicitly say it wasn't Vicky 3
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 17:04
|
|
|
AnoHito posted:Didn't they explicitly say it wasn't Vicky 3 It's becayse they haven't thought to steal the assets from Imperialism II yet
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 17:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 12, 2024 22:10 |
|
|
Obliterati posted:It's becayse they haven't thought to steal the assets from Imperialism II yet They need to colonize the developer of it first. Or at least sphere it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2019 17:59
|
|
