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KillHour posted:Back when I delivered pizzas for a living and had less than $100 in my bank account at any given time, I would limp my car along by buying a pair of used tires with as much tread as I could afford, putting them in the rear, moving the existing rear tires to the front and throwing out the trashed front tires - repeat every time the fronts were dangerously worn. I don't recommend it, but it beat starving to death. true that bro
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BOOTY-ADE posted:This might make it easier It's the beltline and the ride height that really make all SUVs look similar. There's very little that you can do with the body design to make an SUV look more aggressive or athletic or whatever stupid automotive journalist term you want to use. I'm convinced that this is the reason why manufacturers have gone crazy with angry loving headlights and giant grillles; you can't do poo poo to differentiate your vehicles from the side, so you have to go crazy to make something that's distinctive up front.
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Oct 17, 2019 15:45
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Wagons: Sexy SUVs
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Oct 17, 2019 15:46
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um excuse me posted:Wagons: Sexy SUVs Not an empty quote. Part of the reason I picked up an Outback, besides cheap. Trying to avoid an SUV.
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Oct 17, 2019 17:49
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Darchangel posted:Not an empty quote. 'SUV' is a meaningless term anyway - Subaru calls the Outback a 'Large SUV' the Forester a 'Mid Size SUV' and the XV a 'Compact SUV' in their marketing material.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:41
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And the crosstrek is nothing but a lifted Impreza, which they call a compact sedan. So at least the compact part is consistent I guess.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:44
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Doesn't Ford call the Ecosport and SUV? And it's teeny tiny.
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Oct 17, 2019 18:47
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Rhyno posted:Doesn't Ford call the Ecosport and SUV? And it's teeny tiny. I just started seeing these on the road just recently. They look like a bulbous Fiesta. Tiny little wheels at each end are adorable. I can't imagine they be any good on anything other than a flat gravel road.
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Oct 17, 2019 19:28
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dissss posted:'SUV' is a meaningless term anyway - Subaru calls the Outback a 'Large SUV' the Forester a 'Mid Size SUV' and the XV a 'Compact SUV' in their marketing material. The Forester is bigger than the Outback - enough that it probably is big enough to be classed an SUV, though I'd still call it a CUV/Crossover. The Outback is a lifted wagon. And the Crosstrek is literally named after the Crossover class... None of them are really SUVs. The smallest SUV that comes to mind is my former Jeep Cherokee, and the original Ford Explorers. Regardless, I was after a wagon, *maybe* a CUV. I'd get a real, truck-like SUV to replace my Crown Vic if needed. Not that the Outback gets much better mileage than a full-on SUV... And the current Outback is probably larger than my Cherokee.
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Oct 17, 2019 19:42
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Darchangel posted:The Forester is bigger than the Outback - enough that it probably is big enough to be classed an SUV, though I'd still call it a CUV/Crossover. The Outback is a lifted wagon. And the Crosstrek is literally named after the Crossover class... None of them are really SUVs. The smallest SUV that comes to mind is my former Jeep Cherokee, and the original Ford Explorers. Regardless, I was after a wagon, *maybe* a CUV. I'd get a real, truck-like SUV to replace my Crown Vic if needed. This is also a weird way to look at it, because technically wasn't the XJ kind of the first crossover?
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Oct 17, 2019 19:47
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Isn't the definition of a crossover "SUV style body on a car chassis/ platform"?
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Oct 17, 2019 19:54
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Darchangel posted:The Forester is bigger than the Outback - enough that it probably is big enough to be classed an SUV, though I'd still call it a CUV/Crossover. The Outback is a lifted wagon. And the Crosstrek is literally named after the Crossover class... None of them are really SUVs. The smallest SUV that comes to mind is my former Jeep Cherokee, and the original Ford Explorers. Regardless, I was after a wagon, *maybe* a CUV. I'd get a real, truck-like SUV to replace my Crown Vic if needed. The Forester is actually smaller than the Outback in terms of footprint, but the Outback usually looks smaller to me. Length: 182.1 vs 191.3 Width: 71.5 vs 73 Height: 68.1 vs 66.1 (both with roof rails) Wheelbase: 105.1 vs 108.1 Gay Nudist Dad fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Oct 17, 2019 |
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Oct 17, 2019 20:03
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iospace posted:Isn't the definition of a crossover "SUV style body on a car chassis/ platform"? Yep, that's literally what a CUV is. This idea that size has anything to do with being an SUV is incredibly dumb. If that's the case, then what the gently caress is a Suzuki Samurai (or Sidekick)?
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Oct 17, 2019 20:58
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Q_res posted:If that's the case, then what the gently caress is a Suzuki Samurai (or Sidekick)? The answer is Badass.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:01
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You can argue semantics all you want but most manufacturers refer to their vehicles as either ‘Cars’ or ‘SUVs’ with nothing in between. Ford says the Ecosport is an SUV and also the (Ranger based) Everest. Also not sure how anything could think a Forester is larger than an Outback (at least not within similar generations).
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Q_res posted:Yep, that's literally what a CUV is. This idea that size has anything to do with being an SUV is incredibly dumb. If that's the case, then what the gently caress is a Suzuki Samurai (or Sidekick)? A jeep.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:08
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Gay Nudist Dad posted:The Forester is actually smaller than the Outback in terms of footprint, but the Outback usually looks smaller to me. The Outback looks giant to me when I drive past one. It seems so much smaller in photos. I'm always a little surprised.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:28
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Uthor posted:The Outback looks giant to me when I drive past one. It seems so much smaller in photos. I'm always a little surprised. The outback is a big longer, but a little shorter. I think it just makes it look short and fat or something because I see it too.  The outback is definitely bigger though, it has quite a bit more storage space if you look up the numbers.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:39
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Darchangel posted:Not an empty quote. I'd love to have a little Outback Sport like my folks had back in '99 or so - it was the perfect size & didn't sit super high, rode pretty nice too. That or the Forester of that same era in the late 90s/early 00s, they were a little boxy but I liked that they weren't as tall or bulky as others like the Explorer/Blazer.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:59
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Paradoxish posted:This is also a weird way to look at it, because technically wasn't the XJ kind of the first crossover? No? It's Jeep's answer to the S-10 Blazer and Bronco II. Though I'll give you that the XJ is weird due to unibody. Gay Nudist Dad posted:The Forester is actually smaller than the Outback in terms of footprint, but the Outback usually looks smaller to me. Huh. OK, then. Weird. dissss posted:You can argue semantics all you want but most manufacturers refer to their vehicles as either ‘Cars’ or ‘SUVs’ with nothing in between. Ford says the Ecosport is an SUV and also the (Ranger based) Everest. In my defense, I've never seen them together, and the Forester always looked larger, or at least taller, to me, in isolation. It seems like some manufacturer's refer to the car-based ones as "Crossover SUVs" which just blurs the hell out of everything. Uthor posted:The Outback looks giant to me when I drive past one. It seems so much smaller in photos. I'm always a little surprised. The fourth-gens definitely look bigger to me than our second-gen. But I thought a Forester looked bigger, so... BOOTY-ADE posted:I'd love to have a little Outback Sport like my folks had back in '99 or so - it was the perfect size & didn't sit super high, rode pretty nice too. That or the Forester of that same era in the late 90s/early 00s, they were a little boxy but I liked that they weren't as tall or bulky as others like the Explorer/Blazer. Really, the Crosstrek is an Outback Sport of this generation. I would prefer the boxy Forester, myself. An XT if possible. I don't really care for the new ones.
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Darchangel posted:No? Auto enthusiasts can argue definitions forever, but if you're taking what broader consumer culture considers an SUV, the first will be the XJ. Unibody, i.e., more carlike like than trucklike, and 4 doors from the beginning sets it apart from the S-10 Blazer and [Explorer].
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Oct 18, 2019 01:17
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I'm convinced the SUV craze came about from "we need a minivan because family" vs "I don't want a minivan I want a manly thing". SUV = MANVAN It's big, holds lots of kids and their stuff, dad doesn't feel emasculated buying it. Family truck. But trucks suck at everything that isn't being a truck. So they buy it and bitch it's rough and gets bad gas milage and etc till we get a massive car that looks angry af but is basically a car and now we live in the greatest era of sports cars surrounded by CUV hell.
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honda whisperer posted:I'm convinced the SUV craze came about from "we need a minivan because family" vs "I don't want a minivan I want a manly thing". 100% agree I have an old-rear end Grand Cherokee b/c my wife is convinced that a 4wd is mandatory in New England. It's great, I get to spend money on transfer cases and 3x more rust damage than any other car I've ever owned and <15mpg etc etc etc all just to haul some groceries occasionally when there's a bit of snow on the ground. Oh and that one time in 5 years that the Prius couldn't make it out of the driveway but the Jeep could. Gotta keep it! kill me please
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Oct 18, 2019 01:47
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Years ago had a coworker thank his lifted truck for being able to make it to work in a snow storm. I made it in my super basic Cavalier. (granted I left early because it kept snowing and I would have been snowed in for the second time in five years)
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Oct 18, 2019 02:21
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Blizzak life. Winter tires and a lsd and you're basically a super hero.
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iospace posted:Isn't the definition of a crossover "SUV style body on a car chassis/ platform"? its just a marketing gimmjck lol
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I got my wife to work in a Mitsubishi Outlander through a blizzard so bad the National Guard had shut down the highways. It was Christmas loving day and she worked at the animal shelter. Even in a blizzard on Christmas those puppies need to get fed, and she and I were the only ones there that whole day. Nothing special about the Outlander versus a normal car except its high ground clearance so it didn't get bottomed out on the big drifts of snow piling up everywhere. I just drove it as fast as I dared and didn't stop for anything, not stop signs, not stop lights, not stuck cars, nothing. I got a commendation from the city for my volunteer service that day. 
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whenever someone says "oh, one day you'll change your mind and want kids," I point at the miata i dd and i say "nooooooo"
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Darchangel posted:Though I'll give you that the XJ is weird due to unibody. The closest thing that exists to an actual definition for crossover is "tall, unibody wagon or hatchback." It's why you get a lot of hot takes on how there are really less than ten SUVs left on the market.
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A buddy of mine got to pick out a company car and went with a Caravan R/T. He said his coworkers poked fun for a bit, that is until it was his turn to drive them out for lunch. Try getting 5+ adults into a modern CUV - it's hell on whoever has to shimmy behind the second row & duck under shoulder straps to get into the 3rd. Sliding doors work so much better, but no, that's what your mom drove when you were growing up, and you're way cooler than that!!
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It all comes down to nobody wants the car their parents drove. Wagons died and minivans took over because the generation that grew up in a wagon was like gently caress no. The minivan generation said the same and bought SUVs. Then SUVs were terrible, now there's CUVs. It's just an endless cycle of designers trying to figure out how to make a boring family hauler seem cool to a new generation of parents.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:whenever someone says "oh, one day you'll change your mind and want kids," I point at the miata i dd and i say "nooooooo" poo poo i have two kids and a Miata and it works out ok!. Of course its not my only car, my wife has a station wagon for when we need to get the whole family somewhere.... I don't think a SUV would have more space than our Mondeo. poo poo most family vans don't offer much more space. And it gives us a shitton of space without looking like garbage! Who knew this was possible!
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Oct 18, 2019 09:18
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um excuse me posted:Wagons: Sexy SUVs Truth! Source. My Sexy Wagon: 
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honda whisperer posted:Blizzak life.  Hell yeah!Though I'm not sure I have LSD in my car
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Humphreys posted:Truth! Source. My Sexy Wagon: RIP to the Commodore, we never knew how good we had it.
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Humphreys posted:Truth! Source. My Sexy Wagon: qft 
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Why don’t we just create a new thread for the permanent “crossover vs suv, all cars look the same, why does no one buy manual brown diesel wagons” circlejerk?
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drgitlin posted:Why don’t we just create a new thread for the permanent “crossover vs suv, all cars look the same, why does no one buy manual brown diesel wagons” circlejerk? AI helldump crossover vs SUV truck vs car manual vs automatic EV vs gas Grabber blue vs Mexico blue
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Stuff the indefinite STI wagon bitching in there.
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To loop it into the thread title, Toyota is the reason we have the term CUV. They first used it on the first gen matrix in 2003.
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