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i unfortunately am acquainted with many racehorse people and they're a big reason i'm so suspicious of livestock producers in general when they claim they genuinely love the animals and are motivated by concern for their wellbeing. every single person i've ever spoken to in the industry has claimed to be devoted to and passionate about horses as an animal, they say they live and breathe for horses and the horses are like their children (beef farmers say the same about their cows, sheep farmers about their sheep, greyhound breeders about their dogs) so of course they would never do anything to hurt them and go to great lengths to make sure they all have long, happy, humane lives. i've also seen that as soon as a horse isn't winning, gets too old to race, develops difficult behaviours, or is otherwise impaired in its cash-making potential, this bond mysteriously disappears. they care very deeply and very loudly about their horses right up until the moment it's going to cost them actual money or even just a bit more effort than they're willing to contribute, and then suddenly "they're just animals who cares". i've concluded that they are in fact mostly psychopaths who don't know what love for an animal feels like, so they just assume what they feel for their horses is love when it's actually just greed. the problem is that people believe what they say when they say that they care.
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...that said, i do know exactly one man who is as devoted to horses as he says he is, and as a result he has basically become a hoarder of retired racehorses, his own and others, which have destroyed his property and cost him millions of dollars in upkeep. obviously this is also not an ideal solution to the problem, so tbh i don't know what to do about all these loving horses
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fauna posted:i unfortunately am acquainted with many racehorse people and they're a big reason i'm so suspicious of livestock producers in general when they claim they genuinely love the animals and are motivated by concern for their wellbeing. every single person i've ever spoken to in the industry has claimed to be devoted to and passionate about horses as an animal, they say they live and breathe for horses and the horses are like their children (beef farmers say the same about their cows, sheep farmers about their sheep, greyhound breeders about their dogs) so of course they would never do anything to hurt them and go to great lengths to make sure they all have long, happy, humane lives. i've also seen that as soon as a horse isn't winning, gets too old to race, develops difficult behaviours, or is otherwise impaired in its cash-making potential, this bond mysteriously disappears. they care very deeply and very loudly about their horses right up until the moment it's going to cost them actual money or even just a bit more effort than they're willing to contribute, and then suddenly "they're just animals who cares". i've concluded that they are in fact mostly psychopaths who don't know what love for an animal feels like, so they just assume what they feel for their horses is love when it's actually just greed. the problem is that people believe what they say when they say that they care. Similar with greyhound racers. We have two greyhounds adopted from GAP here in Victoria who were ex racers. I follow a few greyhound owner pages on facebook for cute photos but there is inevitably a lot of pro v anti racing arguments on them, with a lot of (presumably) boomers sharing photos of a greyhound racing and going “majestic- beautiful creatures” Like our problem is with them enjoying running around and not the slaughter of excess dogs (they call them “wasteage” on the books), hurting them, live baiting, poor living conditions etc. But oh “the racers I know treat their dogs well!” Well the industries solved then I guess!! Idiots. The worst is when they go “well without greyhound racing their wouldn’t be so many to adopt”- I would be quite happy to live in a world where I can break my “rescue dogs only” rule because there are none to loving rescue you stupid cunts
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swimsuit posted:we should eat the horses, op
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If the animal is your source of income you do not and can not love it, and any time or effort you spend on it's "welfare" is actually just trying to maximise your profit. Keeping a racehorse healthy doesn't mean you love it it means you want it to run as fast as possible. My dad spent part of his youth on a farm and was always pretty blunt about a farmer's actual attitude to their livestock - once you're costing money you're headed for the butcher. Or the mass grave of puppies.
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teacup posted:Similar with greyhound racers. We have two greyhounds adopted from GAP here in Victoria who were ex racers. I follow a few greyhound owner pages on facebook for cute photos but there is inevitably a lot of pro v anti racing arguments on them, with a lot of (presumably) boomers sharing photos of a greyhound racing and going “majestic- beautiful creatures”  greyhound racing is just a whole different level of awful. they're dogs ffs. they're basically peoplewasn't there a thing a few years back where someone was exposed sending australian "wasteage" overseas to be killed and eaten in dog-meat markets? i'm sort of hoping i hallucinated it
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My brother has an ex racer greyhound, and he’s the best, nicest but a massive sook. That’s because they get basically no positive attention until they are adopted. There’s also a name for the repeated breaking and scarring of their tails from being in cages with not enough room. I poo poo you not this is referred to as “happy tail”
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Oct 18, 2019 02:55
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who would win in a race a greyhound or a horse
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Sportsbet.
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my melbourne cup tradition is sitting at my desk at work wearing a horse mask
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talking to greyhound people always reminds me of the bizarre arguments that would regularly break out between the farm kids and the townies at my high school. the argument was the same every time; it was about shooting dogs. the farm kids had their own odd hierarchy where one's legitimacy as a farmer depended on how hardcore one's dad was, and the hardcore level of a dad was measured by how many of his dogs he shot per year. this was a major beef/lamb/wool region so some of these kids had grown up on massive farms with thousands of stock and dozens of working dogs, and they would brag that their dads shot like twenty dogs a year for underperforming, misbehaving, or just getting old. obviously this upset the townies so they would make a big deal of it just to troll us, but the number of dead dogs was generally legitimate. the weird thing was that the farm kids would then get incredibly upset at any implication that their hardcore dads didn't love their dogs, or that they loved their dogs any less than soft townie dads. the townie argument was that letting an animal survive only on the condition of its profitability, showing it no affection or kindness and then killing it as soon as its ability to work declined, even if it had been a vital part of farm operations for ten years, was in fact not love under any possible interpretation of the word. things would get really heated, because even though killing dogs was this weird status symbol, they also had absorbed the cultural more that a man who doesn't love his dog is in fact a oval office, and were we calling their dad a oval office?! eventually we would end up at the stalemate of "you just don't understand our culture" and things would settle down until the next time the argument happened, which was about once a week
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a few times some of them even played the "my dad would probably shoot me too if i didn't work, are you saying my dad doesn't love me?" card, and i remember this awkward silence falling upon the group because nobody wanted to answer that question honestly
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fauna posted:talking to greyhound people always reminds me of the bizarre arguments that would regularly break out between the farm kids and the townies at my high school. the argument was the same every time; it was about shooting dogs. the farm kids had their own odd hierarchy where one's legitimacy as a farmer depended on how hardcore one's dad was, and the hardcore level of a dad was measured by how many of his dogs he shot per year. this was a major beef/lamb/wool region so some of these kids had grown up on massive farms with thousands of stock and dozens of working dogs, and they would brag that their dads shot like twenty dogs a year for underperforming, misbehaving, or just getting old. obviously this upset the townies so they would make a big deal of it just to troll us, but the number of dead dogs was generally legitimate. the weird thing was that the farm kids would then get incredibly upset at any implication that their hardcore dads didn't love their dogs, or that they loved their dogs any less than soft townie dads. the townie argument was that letting an animal survive only on the condition of its profitability, showing it no affection or kindness and then killing it as soon as its ability to work declined, even if it had been a vital part of farm operations for ten years, was in fact not love under any possible interpretation of the word. things would get really heated, because even though killing dogs was this weird status symbol, they also had absorbed the cultural more that a man who doesn't love his dog is in fact a oval office, and were we calling their dad a oval office?! eventually we would end up at the stalemate of "you just don't understand our culture" and things would settle down until the next time the argument happened, which was about once a week i'm absolutely going to write a novel using your posts about your hosed up rural upbringing as a massive inspiration and there's nothing you can do about it apart from go back and edit them out of existence before I can copy paste them all in a big word doc but I hope you know that your sheer nihilistic clarity with which you express this poo poo in a depersonalized context is enthralling and i hope I can do it justice
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Cool everyone loves the boring slice of life Australian drama novel. It will probably win a big Australian novel prize.
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:i'm absolutely going to write a novel using your posts about your hosed up rural upbringing as a massive inspiration and there's nothing you can do about it apart from go back and edit them out of existence before I can copy paste them all in a big word doc but I hope you know that your sheer nihilistic clarity with which you express this poo poo in a depersonalized context is enthralling and i hope I can do it justice the sheer brutality of farmers always amazed me because they'd defend it as if it was the only thing standing between their families and starvation, but like... this is australia, farming sheep in australia has never been a struggle between life and death, there really is no need to take it quite so far
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Oct 18, 2019 04:00
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And then it will win a prize for the movie with Bryan Brown and that same old lady in it.
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JBP posted:Cool everyone loves the boring slice of life Australian drama novel. It will probably win a big Australian novel prize. if I'm really luckily it'll immediately get optioned into a movie nobody ever sees starring
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JBP posted:And then it will win a prize for the movie with Bryan Brown and that same old lady in it. gently caress thats a way better joke than melissa george
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Red Dog 3: Dead Dog
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cohsae posted:The greatest depiction of horseracing "culture" is in Kenny where all the girls are giving him grief about cleaning toilets for a living and then it cuts to them squatting in the car park in their cocktail dresses. This
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bring back chariot racing
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fauna posted:so tbh i don't know what to do about all these loving horses Jerky mate I heard it's pretty chewy
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Bernstrike posted:bring back chariot racing
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our hosed up rural relatives love the trots
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did we decide if farmers are working class yet
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Farmers are landed peasants they're pre-industrial age workers.
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avs how many dogs was the minimum requirement for hardcore status
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Then they're peasants with slaves.
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fauna posted:it's called harness racing and it may actually have even more psychopaths than the other sort Yah, someone who looks at horses running and says "You know what would make this better? Tying their legs together, gently caress yeah lets do this."
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swimsuit posted:avs how many dogs was the minimum requirement for hardcore status
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fauna posted:talking to greyhound people always reminds me of the bizarre arguments that would regularly break out between the farm kids and the townies at my high school. the argument was the same every time; it was about shooting dogs. the farm kids had their own odd hierarchy where one's legitimacy as a farmer depended on how hardcore one's dad was, and the hardcore level of a dad was measured by how many of his dogs he shot per year. this was a major beef/lamb/wool region so some of these kids had grown up on massive farms with thousands of stock and dozens of working dogs, and they would brag that their dads shot like twenty dogs a year for underperforming, misbehaving, or just getting old. obviously this upset the townies so they would make a big deal of it just to troll us, but the number of dead dogs was generally legitimate. the weird thing was that the farm kids would then get incredibly upset at any implication that their hardcore dads didn't love their dogs, or that they loved their dogs any less than soft townie dads. the townie argument was that letting an animal survive only on the condition of its profitability, showing it no affection or kindness and then killing it as soon as its ability to work declined, even if it had been a vital part of farm operations for ten years, was in fact not love under any possible interpretation of the word. things would get really heated, because even though killing dogs was this weird status symbol, they also had absorbed the cultural more that a man who doesn't love his dog is in fact a oval office, and were we calling their dad a oval office?! eventually we would end up at the stalemate of "you just don't understand our culture" and things would settle down until the next time the argument happened, which was about once a week yeah drat I miss living in central west nsw
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Honestly Avs posts are some of the ones I look forward to the most
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EoinCannon posted:Is watching violence harmful to the watcher? i just find it baffling that The Terminator is MA rated or whatever when it airs on telly but hey here is two blokes actually beating the poo poo out of each other and because its sport we can put it on in the middle of the afternoon news. Fake punches in a fake universe in a movie or game: bad, not good. not allowed. real punches glamorized, rewarded, shown as great achievement you should strive to be like: totally fine. ladbrokes! and yeah, video games dont inherently promote violence, but impressionable people who dont have proper parents (re: vidjas and kids) or are socially maladjusted (such as roided up gym freaks with fragile egos in a world of toxic masculinity) seeing MMA as a sport is a great way to end up with a bunch of assholes king hitting people on a night out in the city. wait..
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fauna posted:it's called harness racing and it may actually have even more psychopaths than the other sort Depends. Are we giving them spears to prod other racers with.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Honestly Avs posts are some of the ones I look forward to the most if we could replace every JBP post with an Avs post this thread and the world would be a better place
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:i'm absolutely going to write a novel using your posts about your hosed up rural upbringing as a massive inspiration and there's nothing you can do about it apart from go back and edit them out of existence before I can copy paste them all in a big word doc but I hope you know that your sheer nihilistic clarity with which you express this poo poo in a depersonalized context is enthralling and i hope I can do it justice Remember, my son. It's a dog eats dog world. *shoots dog* The only way to stop the barking is through direct a action. *shoots self* Fatheeeeerrrrrr Mom: Now you own the farm.
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i don't want to be rid of jbp because his insights on the meat industry are excellent, i just wish there was some way we could give him electric shocks through the internet when he misbehaves
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