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namesake posted:Yeah no deal is very bad but the economic models adopted by the UK and the EU are also extremely bad, it's about what's the best way of changing that? Yes they are, but if you can’t see the degree of difference between getting scalded by a hot mug and tripping into a volcano, I don’t know what to say. In terms of changing that, maybe a good UK government pushing for progressive policies in the EU rather than being responsible for a lot of the poo poo might help. People are saying that some of the more neoliberal stuff might be up for changes once the U.K. is gone because they’ve always been a block to it and any idea of the social chapter. We could do more inside the EU than outside it, where any changes the U.K. makes are likely to be for the much much worse. Edit: 167 - the Marcommani tribe wars against Ancient Rome, which Trump calls the Macaroni Wars and that they helped the Romans win.
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Grey Hunter posted:Yeah, this is going to be closer than Mays vote, but I doubt it will pass, the press is playing it up, but that's to sell papers/get clicks. Unless there is a good number of Labour defectors, then we should be back to plan A - extension then crushing the Tories. Bohnson needs about 30 MPs to change their MV2 vote from No to Aye. While some of the No votes from then are ERG / current front bench MP's who will change, it's also worth keeping in mind that quite a few of the 21 expelled MP's (like Hammond) voted Aye. They could well flip the other way if they still hate Boris enough. edit: Gyimah is still voting No https://twitter.com/SamGyimah/status/1185095692366336000 xtothez fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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My real worry is that it goes through, and it goes through on Labour votes, in which case the party gets destroyed at the next election.
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MikeCrotch posted:A lot of people in the party are *really* hosed off with McDonnell for the Campbell interview, both for just doing it at all and saying Tony Blair isn't a war criminal, and (to them) opening up the can of worms that is Corbyn's replacement, not to mention the possibility that Labour might actually lose the ability upcoming election. yea, but they're not out there calling for McDonnell's head - they're just silently nursing their grudges and biding their time until some opportunity comes to put a boot in except Skwawk hence, bellwether
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Pesmerga posted:My real worry is that it goes through, and it goes through on Labour votes, in which case the party gets destroyed at the next election. As with all the previous votes, the threat of handing the Tories an election win will keep all but the worst of the Labour twats onside.
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ThomasPaine posted:These are grown rear end adults in kings cross lol always in the way between me and the real magic of a place to sit down and have a beer before falling asleep and missing my train because drinking just makes me sleepy god how old am I
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xtothez posted:Bohnson needs about 30 MPs to change their MV2 vote from No to Aye. While some of the No votes from then are ERG / current front bench MP's who will change, it's also worth keeping in mind that quite a few of the 21 expelled MP's (like Hammond) voted Aye. They could well flip the other way if they still hate Boris enough. most of the ex-Tories that are still Independent have come out and said they're voting for the deal because the biggest concern to them was a no-deal Brexit. Live play-by-play spreadsheet is currently forecasting the deal passing on the backs of the Labour-for-a-deal lot https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ktqCioirDDTRnnWd-1WHuA-7mvjuA5C3rTTrYpZ7mkA/edit#gid=58425768
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ThomasPaine posted:These are grown rear end adults in kings cross lol Nationalise Hogwarts, IMO.
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Doccykins posted:most of the ex-Tories that are still Independent have come out and said they're voting for the deal because the biggest concern to them was a no-deal Brexit. Live play-by-play spreadsheet is currently forecasting the deal passing on the backs of the Labour-for-a-deal lot All "rebels" are for it. what a loving surprise
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ThomasPaine posted:These are grown rear end adults in kings cross lol READ ANOTHER BOOK FFS
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ThomasPaine posted:These are grown rear end adults in kings cross lol IrvingWashington posted:always in the way between me and the real magic of a place to sit down and have a beer before falling asleep and missing my train because drinking just makes me sleepy god how old am I
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Everyone knows that parliament won't pass the deal just as everyone knows he wouldn't get a renegotiation etc. etc. If you go an look at the headcounts it's a absolute knife edge; wish I had the confidence some of you have.
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Rustybear posted:Everyone knows that parliament won't pass the deal just as everyone knows he wouldn't get a renegotiation etc. etc. I have no control over the situation so I'd spend my time waiting for the result in a positive way rather than feeling miserable 
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Samovar posted:READ ANOTHER BOOK FFS I'll have you know Harry Potter is the perfect allegory for modern life. Now let me put these sorting-hat calipers on your skull and arbitrarily sort you into a group based on the measurements. Rustybear posted:Everyone knows that parliament won't pass the deal just as everyone knows he wouldn't get a renegotiation etc. etc. It'll pass, or it won't. The optimal hope is that it fails, Johnson has to ask for an extension, and then an election is called. If it passes, we're most likely hosed. But whatever the Brexit outcome we'd be hosed, it's just a matter of how severe, and this has been known since leave won, and the Tories had to try and enact their impossible fantasy - we just have to play things as they land. It's no comfort, I know, but better to expect the worst, hope for the best. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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this is the second NEC member after lansman to say this https://twitter.com/hudaelmi_/status/1185128236105261056 arron banks has split with farage too https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1185129631751393280
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Our fears will come true and Kate “skeletor cuntface” Hoey is going to give us a lovely brexit with a singular vote to break the tie. loving gently caress
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Jose posted:the destruction of workers rights and everything else under a tory government that would almost certainly win a majority immediately after any form of their brexit is a worthy left wing goal to be free of the EU's constraints Its still Labour party policy to try and get a deal themselves? Imagining how things can go beyond the end of this week is important to prevent knee-jerk responses to everything. Pesmerga posted:Yes they are, but if you can’t see the degree of difference between getting scalded by a hot mug and tripping into a volcano, I don’t know what to say. In terms of changing that, maybe a good UK government pushing for progressive policies in the EU rather than being responsible for a lot of the poo poo might help. People are saying that some of the more neoliberal stuff might be up for changes once the U.K. is gone because they’ve always been a block to it and any idea of the social chapter. We could do more inside the EU than outside it, where any changes the U.K. makes are likely to be for the much much worse. I don't think we need to go through the whole remain and reform argument but it's at least as difficult as Lexit while also requiring massive international collaboration to get anywhere. It's by no means the better option here.
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https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1184865892632530944 Like Stephen Bush says there's nothing all that surprising here, but it's an interesting a breakdown of probably the major strategic difficulty for Labour, one that's (unfortunately) largely unique to them compared with all the other parties. Definitely worth a read quote:The root of the strategic dilemma is that, on the one hand, a majority of Labour MPs (61%)[1] represent constituencies that had a majority leave vote in 2016, whilst on the other a clear majority of Labour voters (68%) supported Remain in 2016. Interpreting this difference appears to have been extremely important in guiding Labour strategy, dividing opinions among Labour MPs.
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Diet Crack posted:Our fears will come true and Kate “skeletor cuntface” Hoey is going to give us a lovely brexit with a singular vote to break the tie. I think Hoey is with the DUP in being against this time, in fact
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Ratjaculation posted:urgh. phone driving.  Very dangerous. I hope that idiot got penalty points 
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Congrats to leave campaign for using words like war and battle in an already heightened environment. loving political provocateurs.
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Rustybear posted:Farage really seems to have cracked, can't explain it at all. If Brexit happens the press have no more need of him.
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Noxville posted:If Brexit happens the press have no more need of him. Nonsense, he can kickstart the 'campaign to leave the eu (deal)' immediately. Reactionaries don't disappear simply because you've lurched to the right.
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Rustybear posted:Nonsense, he can kickstart the 'campaign to leave the eu (deal)' immediately. Nah his whole gravy train is perpetual Brexit betrayal so he can have his loving frog face everywhere stirring up poo poo. Farage would absolutely have preferred a narrow Remain win so he could carry on stirring the poo poo in the media, he became incredibly irrelevant pretty quickly for a while after the referendum, with the Brexit Party and the shitstorm that Brexit has been providing his new shilling vehicle. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Bundy posted:Nah his whole gravy train is Brexit perpetually happening so he can have his loving frog face everywhere stirring up poo poo. Peoples lives will still be poo poo; he can still have his frog face everywhere saying it's all the fault of the surrender deal etc. Expected his take to be 'it's a start but [hardest possible brexit] would be better' not blubbing about 'but but but the Benn Act!!!'. Anyway not worth expending too many brain cells wondering exactly how the poo poo flows within his brain, just a loving weird take is all.
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Rustybear posted:Farage really seems to have cracked, can't explain it at all. He's a grifter whose the figurehead of the Brexit party. If Brexit is seen as "done", there's no point in it as a party, and he's back looking for another grift. Why do think after the referendum he looked like someone had poo poo on all his Christmasses? Like Johnson, he's not neccesarily ideologically tied to Brexit - it has always been a means to an end. Perpetually promising the moon on a stick, never for it to become a reality...only for it to come crashing down with a big grimacing Theresa May face on it.
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Rustybear posted:Farage really seems to have cracked, can't explain it at all. Well, he's out of a job if we actually Brexit.
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Bundy posted:Isn't he also still an MEP? I doubt he wants that gravy train to end any sooner than it has to either. Yeah still an MEP. And still doing less than the bare minimum of work for it.
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