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I will not be sad to see malls go. The 80s are dead, get over it geezers.
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Even the guy who invented malls hated what they ended up becoming. The only reason so many were built is that they were a tax shelter. It was basically impossible to lose money building one.
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Oct 18, 2019 14:27
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Pollyanna posted:Monnkkeeyyyyyssss pppaaaawwww Just saying - the only way to kick them out is to dissolve the treaty, then make a new one, and that is just not going to happen.
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KillHour posted:Even the guy who invented malls hated what they ended up becoming. The only reason so many were built is that they were a tax shelter. It was basically impossible to lose money building one. the building of malls synergized very well with the explosive growth of suburban sprawl during the late 20th century. if you think about it, a mall is just a subdivision for retail
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Oct 18, 2019 14:28
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KillHour posted:Even the guy who invented malls hated what they ended up becoming. The only reason so many were built is that they were a tax shelter. It was basically impossible to lose money building one. Yeah, he wanted the equivalent of the public squares they have in old European cities, but it turns out you can't have a public space in a private building 
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Oct 18, 2019 14:29
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TulliusCicero posted:Remember, boomers are in a constant state of nostalgia thinking they are still anti-establishment hippies, when in reality they are the most selfish war mongering generation alive Only a tiny percentage of boomers were hippies. They never were anti-establishment. Gatts posted:
Buddy they ain't even seen District 11. Malls: I still like them but they waste too much drat space. The smaller, older malls were better in that respect. RIP Westgate Mall in Fairview Park and weird casual restaurants in Department Stores.
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Oct 18, 2019 14:35
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luxury handset posted:the building of malls synergized very well with the explosive growth of suburban sprawl during the late 20th century. if you think about it, a mall is just a subdivision for retail Heh, I never thought about it that way. That’s really well put for a city kid like me who has never understood why in the gently caress any community would want “a mall”
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Oct 18, 2019 14:35
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but really, dissolve NATO
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Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate?
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Oct 18, 2019 14:36
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Turn all malls into free space for locally owned businesses only, community colleges/vocational schools, homeless shelters and senior citizen power walking facilities. Vote for me, king of malls 2020. AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? They're a monument to capitalist decadence, but seriously also most only exist due to incredibly large subsidies and lovely land usage and until the online shopping boom they controlled the rent for small businesses in many towns. Also they provided a hangout for Cool Chads who pop your tires when all I wanted to do was ride my bike to the magic card shop and it started to storm and I had to walk my bike home in the rain 
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Oct 18, 2019 14:37
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? Malls have been dying and nobody likes a loser.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? imo their only redeeming quality is the Orange Julius
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? "The stores here are pretty clean, the air's fresh, plenty of parking, plenty of space to walk around"
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Dissolving NATO would be a formality at this point. The whole alliance is built on the US's willingness to go to mat for the other members and you can no longer trust the American electoral system to elect Presidents who are going to do that.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? it takes me ten minutes at most to order something off the internet and two hours minimum to get it from a mall
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Oct 18, 2019 14:39
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evilweasel posted:it takes me ten minutes at most to order something off the internet and two hours minimum to get it from a mall You know what, I hate this thing about Internet Arguing. It doesn't have to be entirely this thing or entirely that. Sometimes, yeah, it's good to try poo poo on! Not everyone is the complete normal body type and even in mens' cases, not all pants fit the same! Do we have to be so absolute? Getting poo poo online is convenient as hell if it's something you know you don't have to "pick or try out" in any particular way. But am I buying clothes or say, furniture or even a car straight off the internet without seeing it, sitting in/on it or trying it on first? No. Must we be so hot or cold about everything?
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Sulphagnist posted:Dissolving NATO would be a formality at this point. The whole alliance is built on the US's willingness to go to mat for the other members and you can no longer trust the American electoral system to elect Presidents who are going to do that. Can't imagine Putin is too pleased with that.....
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Oct 18, 2019 14:43
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evilweasel posted:it takes me ten minutes at most to order something off the internet and two hours minimum to get it from a mall So it takes you ten minutes and 48 hours to get it from the internet, and you haven't gotten to try it on and or feel the material. That's fine for a lot of things, like books or video games or t shirts. But a lot of things it's so much better to try in person and you can't see how it really looks on you over the internet. Furniture especially. Bought my newest couch online and kind of regret it.
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Oct 18, 2019 14:45
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evilweasel posted:it takes me ten minutes at most to order something off the internet and two hours minimum to get it from a mall It takes 10 minutes to order, at least a day for it to get to you, a few minutes to see if it fits, then a few days to return it when it doesn't. Or maybe the color isn't accurate to the photo, and matching it with something else doesn't work. Then another few days each seeing if the other size fits better, or if another color fits differently for some weird reason. Or another of the same size fits better.
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I definitely prefer the outdoor mall concept like say the Jacksonville Town center or Uptown Albuquerque than the traditional shopping mall we all know of the 80s and 90s.
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VH4Ever posted:You know what, I hate this thing about Internet Arguing. It doesn't have to be entirely this thing or entirely that. Sometimes, yeah, it's good to try poo poo on! Not everyone is the complete normal body type and even in mens' cases, not all pants fit the same! Do we have to be so absolute? Getting poo poo online is convenient as hell if it's something you know you don't have to "pick or try out" in any particular way. But am I buying clothes or say, furniture or even a car straight off the internet without seeing it, sitting in/on it or trying it on first? No. Must we be so hot or cold about everything? i mean, i'm not telling anyone how to live their life, just why i'm going to avoid going to a retail store if at all possible. if you like it, go nuts! ordering clothing off the internet is definitely hit or miss, so you either gotta be willing to return it (which will eat up most of the convinence savings), eat it for a few things that don't fit right until you get the right fit (and then order more based on that), or just stick to stuff you've tried on in person. but that's the basic issue with malls: if there's anything I can get on the internet rather than in person, it is much more convenient to do so.
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https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1185172929912459266?s=19 Great ceasefire
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evilweasel posted:i mean, i'm not telling anyone how to live their life, just why i'm going to avoid going to a retail store if at all possible. if you like it, go nuts! ordering clothing off the internet is definitely hit or miss, so you either gotta be willing to return it (which will eat up most of the convinence savings), eat it for a few things that don't fit right until you get the right fit (and then order more based on that), or just stick to stuff you've tried on in person. See this is a more nuanced take. What I pushed back against was the seemingly smug "rightness" and absolute declarative tone of your last post. Just strikes me as this "internet discussion thing" that happens far too often and for no good reason. Not everyone is the same, has the same needs and priorities, etc. Just wanted to throw that in the mix. Nothing personal. EDIT And what you describe isn't "the issue with malls" it's the issue with literally all brick and mortar retail. But yeah.
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sexpig by night posted:but really, dissolve NATO Yes let's give a bunch of European countries a reason to undertake massive military buildups
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:So it takes you ten minutes and 48 hours to get it from the internet, and you haven't gotten to try it on and or feel the material. yeah, that's fair: the issue is that basically you can't support most malls with just stuff where in-person purchasing is clearly superior to online. it basically boils down to clothing and furniture. there's also some market for stuff that's just so bulky that online shopping is not cost-effective but that doesn't really support a mall store.
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Yes, malls are temples to capitalist decadence, so let's buy from noted champion of worker's rights and proletariat wellbeing, Amazon. The solution to capitalist megaliths are small commercial spaces and unfortunately there are parts of the country where that is completely nonviable.
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VH4Ever posted:See this is a more nuanced take. What I pushed back against was the seemingly smug "rightness" and absolute declarative tone of your last post. Just strikes me as this "internet discussion thing" that happens far too often and for no good reason. Not everyone is the same, has the same needs and priorities, etc. Just wanted to throw that in the mix. Nothing personal. i was responding to his question about why people don't like malls after laying out the positives, so i thought it was fine to simply lay out the negatives. didn't mean to poo poo on the concept of in-person clothes buying because i sure have a lot of whiffs trying to buy any clothes online that are not virtually exact duplicates of things i already own, but i hate spending all the time needed to get clothes in person! VH4Ever posted:And what you describe isn't "the issue with malls" it's the issue with literally all brick and mortar retail. But yeah. Malls basically by definition are far enough away from residential areas you need to drive to them, so going to them necessarily takes up more of your day. There might be, say, a clothing store a few blocks away from me I can quickly visit. There won't be a full-fledged mall. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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Are people really having a snippy fight about buying things at a mall vs buying things online now?
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? Come back to me when the local mall has a Bad Dragon outlet
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Tulsi Gabbard lol
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Some of the major malls in Ecuador are attached to massive bus depots, since the bus system is heavily subsidized/socialized and many people don't have cars that can travel hundreds of km, so people take a bus on a weekend to a mall and do all their shopping for a few months and stay in a hotel and then take the bus back to their little village. The round trip costs like $10 and the malls are *packed* with people and all sorts of local businesses and only a handful of larger corporate stores, and the only USA-familiar stores were in the food court (BK and KFC). I kinda loved it. Welp that's my story on how a little socialist country in South America has way cooler malls than the USA.
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fool_of_sound posted:Are people really having a snippy fight about buying things at a mall vs buying things online now? i will defend the honor of Malls to the death, sir
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fool_of_sound posted:Are people really having a snippy fight about buying things at a mall vs buying things online now? Nope, nope, nothing to worry about! Me and evilweasel had a nice discussion and we're all set! Just some minor differences but we're all good. What did the Turks bomb now?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Come back to me when the local mall has a Bad Dragon outlet This is not a bad idea. A chain of music stores in my area closed down about 15 years ago and were all bought up by the local porn purveyor, and are still going strong. Porn really does save everything
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evilweasel posted:yeah, that's fair: the issue is that basically you can't support most malls with just stuff where in-person purchasing is clearly superior to online. it basically boils down to clothing and furniture. there's also some market for stuff that's just so bulky that online shopping is not cost-effective but that doesn't really support a mall store. I hope I'm not the only person with this problem, but another issue I have with shopping for certain things online is that I don't know, or am not able to use the right words to describe what I'm looking for. Like hardware and stuff like that. It's better to browse a store in person. Or, another problem with finding what I'm looking for: The more basic fashions are easier for me to 'find' when it's on a different rack 20ft away rather than 'behind' a huge list of suggestions, ads, and other promotions. Don't get me wrong: I do an absolute poo poo load of shopping online. But I still think the basic concept of malls are important and useful. The issue is that once the restraints of land are removed, it turns to poo poo. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Malls are so much better than online shopping. You can go try on the clothes, there are people who help you. You can grab a cinnamon pretzel, you get to walk around. Sometimes there's a carousel for your kid to ride, or a Santa Claus. Sometimes there's a movie theater in there. What's with the hate? Unfortunately, my local mall has shootings in the food court every quarter.
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