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They’re absolute loving idiots and Corbyn and McDonnell need to stick the boot in and make this a removal of the whip issue so these fuckers don’t guarantee 100 years of ConDem rule. Boris Johnson is going to remain as PM and he’ll even win another election.
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Finally boris will be forced to adhere to law an order.
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wait why are we criticising Labour for not threatening to expel MPs again? because I seem to recall Joris getting thoroughly dragged for doing it
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I found some stuff for my girl's hyperthyroidism (she had become an eating and making GBS threads machine) in the local pharmacy - it was about 50p for 100. Obviously didn't cure it - cures such as radiotherapy for cats being unavailable in Cairo - but after a week curbed the symptoms and I didn't need to give it her anymore. I think it was called Carbimazole. Legit thought you'd changed subject and were talking about your girlfriend at the end there. Here's my old cat. She made it to 21. 
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Aramoro posted:It's for 3 different web facing applications, SAAS based, I think we had quotes between £17K and £40K but the low prices was so low that we're a bit suspicious of it, we may give them a try and see how they do. What company did you go with. We just finished our last pen test
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Where did this idea that labour aren't trying to coerce MPs into voting against come from? Is it just some rando journo making poo poo up again?
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big lol if johnson's deal gets through because of a few braindead lexiters
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So seemingly Zuckerberg has compared his platform to Martin Luther King Jr. before saying people should encourage any facist views (that don't directly imply violence) as celebrating freedom of speech.
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Guavanaut posted:What lovely rear end vets are doing homeopathy on cats? Swiss ones :-/ and the human pharmacies are stuffed full of it as well. Jaeluni Asjil posted:I found some stuff for my girl's hyperthyroidism (she had become an eating and making GBS threads machine) in the local pharmacy - it was about 50p for 100. Obviously didn't cure it - cures such as radiotherapy for cats being unavailable in Cairo - but after a week curbed the symptoms and I didn't need to give it her anymore. I think it was called Carbimazole. Yeah similar gear, he is on thimazole. In the UK there's an oral formulation which apparently tastes grrreat but it's only in tablet form here. Fortunately he is not very smart and we can hide it in bits of cat paté. Paté-only diet because of no teeth. Poor little guy.
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Julio Cruz posted:wait why are we criticising Labour for not threatening to expel MPs again? threatening to expel MPs because they're slightly less fascist than you and threatening to expel MPs because they're idiots who are going to gently caress everyone over is not the same thing dont get me wrong tory MPs are idiots who want to gently caress everyone over too but that's a feature not a bug for the tory party
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https://twitter.com/AndyMcDonaldMP/status/1185199502384418817 lmao
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OwlFancier posted:Where did this idea that labour aren't trying to coerce MPs into voting against come from? Is it just some rando journo making poo poo up again? it is indeed journalist goss https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1184933943906312192 with Rayner also pointing out https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1184940222393573377
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Julio Cruz posted:wait why are we criticising Labour for not threatening to expel MPs again? Because a hard Tory Brexit is going to go through on Labour votes. So at the next election we'll have Labour MPs crowing to their constituents about how they delivered Brexit. Johnson will be a hero for the Brexiteers, and Labour will be villified by remainers. It's absolutely the worst case scenario and if Corbyn doesn't have the balls to remove the whip over that, he shouldn't be in the job. EDIT: Obviously this could all be jouranlist lies. But 'rising star' MPs like Melanie Onn who were originally predicted to vote against are now voting for, and nobody has suggested or leaked that threats have been made. So while it could all change, signs are not good.
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Love too base all my political theorizing on what sky news man "understands" on twitter.
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185231656464080898 also: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185236143056572417
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Can he do it for ScotRail too please? gently caress Abelio
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OwlFancier posted:Love too base all my political theorizing on what sky news man "understands" on twitter. Ten Labour MPs have publicly declared for the deal. None of them have said anything about losing the whip or expecting any sanction for it. https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1185241744625098752
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Which does not imply a tacit endorsement from the leadership, they're probably going to get phone calls between now and tomorrow. Labour is probably quite busy trying to get everyone they can to vote down the deal and their more idiotic MPs are probably not the easiest targets of that, to be quite honest, especially as several of them have probably declared they aren't going to stand next election anyway. Just threatening to remove the whip is not helpful if it doesn't actually stop them voting for it, I would prefer that it not pass rather than it pass and labour goes "well we were exceptionally belligerent about it so it's not our fault"
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Ratjaculation posted:So seemingly Zuckerberg has compared his platform to Martin Luther King Jr.
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CyberPingu posted:What company did you go with. We just finished our last pen test Dont got anywhere near dxc or sec1 Dxc were so bad that they misread their own tools and tried to convince us that aws were using misconfigured ssl certs on their public api endpoints
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OwlFancier posted:Which does not imply a tacit endorsement from the leadership, they're probably going to get phone calls between now and tomorrow. Labour is probably quite busy trying to get everyone they can to vote down the deal and their more idiotic MPs are probably not the easiest targets of that, to be quite honest, especially as several of them have probably declared they aren't going to stand next election anyway. Enough of them are not standing down that it could make the difference in this vote. I'll take all of this back if Corbyn actually does remove the whip from rebels, but if he allows them to stay in the party and brag about pushing Brexit through... Labour are not going to recover easily. Especially as they turned down an election to get us here. And make no mistake Johnson's Brexit deal is worse than May's. There's going to be a bonfire of worker's rights, environmental standards and consumer protections if this goes through. It'll change Britain for generations.
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If Johnson get the deal passed, that makes it hard for Corbyn to stay as leader, right? Who is likely to replace him as Labour’s leader?
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If you haven't figured out by now that corbyn isn't going to lead with threats then I don't know what to tell you.
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jabby posted:Especially as they turned down an election to get us here. You do realise this was just a trick to get no deal right
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Brony Car posted:If Johnson get the deal passed, that makes it hard for Corbyn to stay as leader, right? Who is likely to replace him as Labour’s leader? if Corbyn gets blown up by furious remainers, Starmer and Thornberry have been conspicuously honing their remain credentials McDonnell seems to be promoting Long-Bailey
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I have a feeling that tomorrow is going depend quite a bit on how many of the Tory rebels (those sacked by Boris as well as the ERG) have been lying about supporting the deal to escape overenthusiastic whipping. The thought of Dominic Cummings murdering you and then walking through the yes lobby wearing your skin should be enough to give anyone sleepless nights.
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jabby posted:Ten Labour MPs have publicly declared for the deal. None of them have said anything about losing the whip or expecting any sanction for it. i haven't checked the working on the for and against figures, but at first glance "deal PASSES" is a strong statement to make when by your admission you have no idea how 37 people will vote and discounting them it's within 5
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In an age where the BBC seem to be actively looking for lone MPs to state an opinion contrary to Corbyn's, the party really needs to step its pussy up over message control. All it seems to take is for one MP to mis-state the party line, and the BBC can bury the actual policy under a landslide of articles about the fractured left and the divisions in the party, and the usual guff.
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What's it going to do to enforce message discipline? If it starts threatening its MPs they're just going to go even more off message.
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OwlFancier posted:What's it going to do to enforce message discipline? If it starts threatening its MPs they're just going to go even more off message. Goddamn this whole situation is so depressingly frustrating.
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fluppet posted:Dont got anywhere near dxc or sec1 We used 4armed last time. A local group in Edinburgh. They were really good.
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Ultimately you're dealing with a party of MPs which aren't all ideologically on the same page, the majority of them are inherited from a time when labour was the neoliberal party. If you want the party to be more ideologically coherent that's going to take a lot of sustained effort from the bottom to fill it with people like that, and more sustained effort to keep them in line.
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OwlFancier posted:If you haven't figured out by now that corbyn isn't going to lead with threats then I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps I'm tired of hearing that we can't threaten MPs, and we can't kick them out of the party, and we can't introduce mandatory reselection, and we can't get rid of Tom Watson, and we can't punish them for voting with the Tories, or briefing against the party, or calling the leader a loving antisemite, etc. etc. The Left has had control over virtually all the levers of power for a while now. Why exactly do we have to keep putting up with this poo poo? If we can't threaten our MPs over something that could both destroy the party and change the shape of the entire country, what the gently caress are we even doing? jabby fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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like I know this is the thread where "nothing matters" became a meme but dear god the blackpilling that's going on ITT today is on another loving level
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jabby posted:Perhaps I'm tired of hearing that we can't threaten MPs, and we can't kick them out of the party, and we can't introduce mandatory reselection, and we can't get rid of Tom Watson, and we can't punish them for voting with the Tories, or briefing against the party, or calling the leader a loving antisemite, etc. etc. Because: OwlFancier posted:Ultimately you're dealing with a party of MPs which aren't all ideologically on the same page, the majority of them are inherited from a time when labour was the neoliberal party. If you want the party to be more ideologically coherent that's going to take a lot of sustained effort from the bottom to fill it with people like that, and more sustained effort to keep them in line. Which means if you want to win the next election you're going to need to work with those MPs. If you alienate them you're going to split the party hardcore, which is a surefire way to kill any hope of a socialist resurgance stone dead because it will kill the party electorally. It might be possible to build up a proper socialist labour party after that, but it's not going to be a party that's going to win the next election, or probably the one after that. I mean if you offered me the choice between a potential left wing government and orgiastic cannibalistic violence directed at liberals I would probably choose the latter but that's one of many reasons I probably shouldn't be in charge of anything. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Oct 18, 2019 |
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