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StarkingBarfish posted:Bercow's is great, but my god: Who changed the colour of the background and why are the milk bottles out of frame???
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bercow: I'm surprised by this, it's unprecedented in my memory, I will have to weigh on this matter with expert legal advice to determine if it's orderly the media: as bercow prepares to smack this down, it's back to you chris!
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happyhippy posted:Right now Boris is reenacting the Downfall meme. I can only hope that he continues that role to the end.
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^^^^^^ u fkr  happyhippy posted:Right now Boris is reenacting the Downfall meme. All the way to the end? We can only hope so
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Comrade Fakename posted:Lol at Bercow’s ancient photo under “no vote recorded”. He sort of still looked like that during the obama visit.
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jabby posted:If they can't have that, they'll table the Withdrawal Bill itself, and by voting for the second reading MPs will approve the deal. I'm trying to learn more about this. Why does a second reading mean approval for the deal?
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Brony Car posted:I'm trying to learn more about this. Why does a second reading mean approval for the deal? I'm not really sure, usually it means it goes to the lords and then a third reading (with no amendments) before it passes properly. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Brony Car posted:I'm trying to learn more about this. Why does a second reading mean approval for the deal? I don't know if it would technically satisfy the requirements for the meaningful vote (although the gov could probably add that on) but it would definitely indicate there was enough support for the deal and allow the government to press ahead. Only people who want to leave with the current deal would vote through the withdrawal bill. Although it could still be amended, naturally. And yes the prospects still look bleak for defeating the deal. https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1185573653620183041
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is it good news or bad news today? i've been busy grounding chickpeas
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The specific text of the benn act requires:quote:The condition in this subsection is that a Minister of the Crown has laid before each House of Parliament a statement that the United Kingdom has concluded an agreement with the European Union under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union and a copy of the agreement and— Which would seem to require parliament to either pass the bill it just amended (a statement before each house that the UK has concluded an agreement etc), or now in accordance with that amendment: quote:"That, in light of the new deal agreed with the European Union, which enables the United Kingdom to respect the result of the referendum on its membership of the European Union and to leave the European Union on 31 October with a deal, this House has considered the matter but withholds approval unless and until implementing legislation is passed." Which would seem to imply a complete passage of the bill through parliament.
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We're not past the danger, but it's good news. Any amount more time to consider the deal is more time in which Johnson's ridiculous coalition of different lies can collapse in.
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Ratjaculation posted:is it good news or bad news today? The Prime Minister is dithering and delaying the expected vote
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josh04 posted:We're not past the danger, but it's good news. Any amount more time to consider the deal is more time in which Johnson's ridiculous coalition of different lies can collapse in. Or for more Labour idiots to peel off and support the deal.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:^^^^^^ u fkr Looking forward to 90 year old Dom Cummings lying to the camera telling us he was just a secretary and didn't know what was really going on
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jabby posted:I don't know if it would technically satisfy the requirements for the meaningful vote (although the gov could probably add that on) but it would definitely indicate there was enough support for the deal and allow the government to press ahead. Only people who want to leave with the current deal would vote through the withdrawal bill. Other commentators agree with deal is likely to pass next week - https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1185576232605376512
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xtothez posted:The Prime Minister is dithering and delaying the expected vote Good job we've lots of time to play with then
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Brony Car posted:I'm trying to learn more about this. Why does a second reading mean approval for the deal? If I understand correctly, a second reading and then a vote for it will mean it replaces the current arguments and talk. I think Boris is trying to say 'aha we just voted for this NEW bill, you are talking about the OLD one, so it doesn't matter' Its a dodgy calvinballesqe maneuver
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xtothez posted:The Prime Minister is dithering and delaying the expected vote Still looks like the deal is going to pass. So let me get this straight: after all the humiliation he's been through, Boris will STILL win in the end?
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So I have no loving clue what actually happened today even after reading the BBC. What was actually voted on today?
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If Boris is forced to get an extension then it's safe for a VONC. So if we're in non-hellworld then Boris can be officially the least effective PM in history
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Tom Kibasi says the deal will probably lose with a small majority, and he's been right about everything so far so I'm going with that.
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jabby posted:One wonders why he took his son with him to work and then decided to walk home through the huge remain protest. It's an attempt to scar the kid so he develops an instinctive hatred of the proletariat who screamed nasty things at his daddy. So, 'Super Saturday' turned into De Pfeffel arsing around for five minutes then crying and taking his ball home after the other neighbourhood kids scored the first goal then.
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God if this loving deal gets passed I'm trying to not get too worked up about Brexit since every time I decide I know what is going to happen, something else happens the next day to make me think the opposite. But I don't feel good about this
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I get the feeling a lot of MPs are more scared of failing to deliver brexit than they are of any other brexit outcome
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CyberPingu posted:So I have no loving clue what actually happened today even after reading the BBC. Boris put a bill forward to get parliament to say "we agree to the deal in principle so you don't need to get an extension" It was amended to say "we might agree to it if you put it forward as complete legislation, go and get the extension anyway" Next week he's trying to get some weird arrangement that undoes that, bercow is deciding whether he'll let it happen. Following that, the deal is up for proper debate on tuesday. He's apparently arguing that if it passes that stage that counts as "agreeing to it" (though the state of the laws passed don't seem to support that imo?) and will likely seek to cancel the extension, which he can do if he gets parliament to "agree to the deal". It's all tied up in the legalese of the amendments but I'd say it's still possible that the deal passes on tuesday but he still has to get it through the third reading, through the lords, and back to commons unamended before the 31st, if he wants to leave "on time" There's also the issue that as soon as the EU gets back to the UK about the extension request he has to send tonight, the opposition could try to VONC him, which stops the whole thing in its tracks, which makes his deadline for getting everything through parliament "before the EU respond to the extension request" OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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ukle posted:Other commentators agree with deal is likely to pass next week - Keep in mind this guy was tweeting rumours about DUP abstaining on letwin just a couple of hours ahead of the actual vote
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Won't somebody think of the  !!1!https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/1185572672538849281
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marktheando posted:I get the feeling a lot of MPs are more scared of failing to deliver brexit than they are of any other brexit outcome Tory MPs are different. They can smell power - which is all most care about. If they can get this over the line, they are pretty much assured a majority and a free hand for a hard right Tory govt for the next 5 years.
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Today the government put forward a motion to agree the new deal. Had it passed the Benn bill would have been satisfied and Boris wouldn't need to request an extension. And the government would have to get the actual withdrawal bill passed before October 31 to exit with the Boris deal. But the motion passed (without division) after the Letwin amendment was approved. So the government must pass the necessary exit legislation (withdrawal bill) before a motion agreeing the deal can go through. The Benn bill is not satisfied and Boris "must" request an extension today. The government wants to try the motion again on Monday to scupper the extension. (The extension letter can be withdrawn if a deal motion passes.) Bercow may not allow this vote because it's a repeat. On Tuesday the government want the second reading of the withdrawal bill. Err, hopefully some of this is right.
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Tigey posted:Labour MPs yes. Labour MPs are by no means these altruistic creatures that are merely afraid. Some of them are also solely motivated by the prospect of power and to pretend otherwise is wrong.
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Might wait for a more reliable source than evolve politics tbh.
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Which one of you idiots cursed me to live in interesting times.
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OwlFancier posted:Might wait for a more reliable source than evolve politics tbh. Yeah fair. Posted it for the lols mostly.
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